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All days begin with darkness as was the creation.

All days and therefore sabbaths begin at sunset and not at sunrise. The dawning of a day for the Jewish people is when the sun goes down. Dusk and Dawn are events that occur simultaneously. During the week of Christ's being killed there were two Sabbaths, one, a special or high day Sabbath (John 19:31) which began at sunset of what we call Tuesday and the second Sabbath at sunset of what we call Friday. Christ was hung on a tree, died and was put into the grave when the sun went down on the day we call Wednesday where the body spent the first day, consisting of darkness and light, the second day consisting of darkness and light, and then the final day consisting of darkness and light again. At sunset of the third day which would have been on what we call Saturday around 6 pm Christ arose. Christ arose on the First day of the week, at the beginning of the day when it was still dark.

When the Sabbath ends at sunset the Jewish people go out to work or do other chores.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. John 20:1

In the following text it was still "in the sabbath" and was beginning to dawn towards the first day of the week when Mary Magdalene and Mary went to see the sepulcher.

Matthew 28 (Both the Geneva and Original King James)
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

John 19:31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

Bless you

Bless you, bless you. May the goodness of our Father in heaven rain down on you.

There is one small error though. You said the High Day Sabbath began at sunset on what we call Tuesday but I think you meant Wednesday. They wanted the body taken down before the High Day Sabbath. The 14th (Tuesday evening till Wednesday evening) was Passover and the 15th (Wednesday evening till Thursday evening) was the first High Sabbath. The rest of your layout is spot on though.

Leviticus 23:5,6

Thanks.

You are correct, I mean to say that Wednesday was the High Day Sabbath.

Not true Christianity.

But since it has been usurped by so many pagan doctrines then there is a bit of truth to what you say. The false Christianity of today worships all kinds of false gods including the sun but most Christians don't even realize it or refuse to acknowledge it. SUN-day is the day of worshiping the sun and is not Scriptural but Sunday (the first day) is the day they choose and many "Christians" get up early for SUNrise worship on Ishtar. So we see two pagan worships right there. The SUN and Ishtar/Easter two different paganisms. Add in Christmas/Saturnalia and the doctrines of Tammuz among others and the images of Jupiter and you see why false Christianity lead by the Catholic church can easily be called a Harlot.

And it makes it easy to see how the antichrist comes to power.

So to answer your question, YES. False Christianity does worship the sun and Ishtar, Tammuz, Jupiter, Zeus, Saturnalia and many others. There is very little if any true worship left in "Christianity". The world in general has "forsaken the commandments of GOD for the traditions of men" just as Scripture says.

Thankfully we are free and required to work out our own salvation.

Well said

Except the first day thing.
"The Holy Eucharist is the central act of Christian worship. It is held on Sunday, otherwise known as “the first day,” “the Lord’s Day,” “the Day of Yahweh,” “the eighth Day” and as the Russians call it, “Resurrection Day.” Each time a Liturgy is held is Sunday or the Lord’s Day, but the Day after the Sabbath is called Sunday especially, because on that Day the Son of God defeated the Devil by His Resurrection (and for other reasons that we will investigate later). Every doing of the Eucharist is a “Sunday,” but Sunday has more emphasis because of the relation between the Sunday Eucharist and “the Day of the Lord.”

The word “Sunday” is pagan in origin. The right word is “kuriake” or the Lord’s Day (Rev. 1:10). Anyway, on the first day of the week the pagans gathered to worship the Sun and it was called by them, “the Day of the Sun.” The Church does not believe that it was pure coincidence that Christ was resurrected on that particular day. Of course, it was not just for the benefit of the pagans that Christ rose from the dead, but the Sun has a very special Christian meaning. Christ is called by the Bible “the Sun of Justice,” because as that ball of fire in the sky. Jesus is the source of Life and Light. Christianity accepted the name “Sunday” for the Day of Resurrection because it was the spiritual Life and Light given to mankind.

It should be more than obvious that between Sunday and the Sabbath there is a great difference. Sunday is a transfer of the Sabbath to the following Day. Sunday has a meaning the Sabbath could never have. Even the law that no work should be done on Sunday was not a part of early Christianity. This idea that no work should be done was changed by Christ and the early Church. A no-work Sunday begins only with the regulations of the Byzantine Emperors Constantine and Theodosius for their armies and law courts. In other words, the Jewish practice of not working on the Sabbath is not something spiritual, just keeping a law; while the Christian belief in the Lord’s Day or Sunday is putting God in our souls. Some writers go so far as to point with pride to the fact that on holy days, especially Sunday, early Christians met before dawn to receive the Sacraments. They refused to do evil, but they worked on Sunday. Thus, we see that the Lord’s Day or Sunday is something entirely new. It is no imitation of the Sabbath. Sunday is a Christian product which gains importance from the celebration of the Sacraments, particularly, the Holy Eucharist.

In the Prophets and especially Isaiah, we find the statement so often repeated by the Fathers of the Church that the true Sabbath is not ceasing from physical work, but to stop sinning. Listen to Isaiah (1, 13-19):

“Bring no more useless oblations; your incense is hateful to me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of the assemblies, I will not accept: even your solemn meeting in iniquities. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they are troublesome to me; I am weary of them. And when you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you: yea, you make many prayers, I will not hear them: your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves clean, therefore; put away evil doings from my sight; stop doing evil, learn to do well; seek the truth, help the oppressed, help the fatherless, plead for the widow. Then come to me and we can reason, said the Lord: if you do this, though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; they can be as red as crimson, but they will be as wool.

The New Testament points out that the Old Testament Sabbath is now gone, because Christ has come. For example, in the Gospel of St. Matthew, the disciples were picking ears of corn in a field. The Pharisees protested but Christ came to the defense of His own (Matt. xii, 1-8). He makes it understood that He is free to get rid of this institution. Christ is greater than the Jewish idea of the Sabbath. Christ is the new Sabbath and Temple of the New Testament. He says: “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and you shall find rest for your souls” (Matt. xi, 28-29). Christ is the Sabbath, the time of rest. Christ is a living Temple, a spiritual Temple, not that physical building where the Jews had worshipped. Christ is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. He is the real Temple which the Temple of Solomon foretells. He is the Temple in which all true believers rest.

The statement in Matthew that Christ is the true rest is followed by the episode of the healing on the Sabbath day of the man with the withered hand. The Jews protested, of course, but Jesus told them: “What man of you, if he has one sheep and it falls into a pit on the sabbath, will not take hold of it and pull it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep!” (xi, 11-12). This healing, like all the miracles of Jesus, is the thing that is to be done in His Kingdom when it is established on earth. This Kingdom, as we know, is the Church. The Church is “the Body of Christ.” So, this miracle is like the ones that will take place in the Church. The Church is also the Sabbath. Christ inaugurates the true Sabbath, the Kingdom of God, the Church which replaces the Jewish Sabbath which meant rest, rest from work. The Gospel of St. John gives us another episode: the healing on the Sabbath of the paralyzed man at the pool of Bethesda (v. 1-19). The Jews persecuted Jesus because He did this on the Sabbath day wherein no work was to be done. Jesus answered: “My Father works until now, and I work.” (v.17). The Jews were angry and sought to kill Him “because He made Himself equal to God.” (v. 18). Thus, Christ condemns the idea of the Sabbath—or Sunday— as idleness.

It might be asked why the seventh day was given to the Jews as a day of rest in the Ten Commandments. It was given as a means of education. God worked gradually. He gave them a law to prepare them for the real spiritual meaning. The spiritual meaning is made known in Jesus Christ. As St. Paul said: “Let no one, then, call you to account for what you eat or drink, or in regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These were all a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.” (Col. ii. 16). Everything in the Old Testament points in one way or another to Christ. Christ is the Sabbath. For the Jews the Sabbath was the day in which they were to rest and go to the Temple or Synagogue. For Christians, the Sabbath is Christ in Whom we are to rest from sin and in which we are to live. The Jews too rest. In Christ we are given rest. It is possible now to live in God, as the Jews lived in the Temple on the Sabbath. Now it is possible not to sin, as the Jews had the possibility not to work.

Christ is the Sabbath, Christ brought the Kingdom of God which is begun in the Church. The Church is the entrance of man into the future world. The future world is perfect unity with God. We have this unity even now in the Holy Eucharist which is given on the Lord’s Day. Before we can enter the Lord’s Day, we must fulfill the Sabbath: join ourselves to Christ or rest from sin. This is done by being Baptized or as St. Paul said:

“Know ye not that as many of you are were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore, we are buried with Him by baptism, into death and just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of God the Father, likewise we will be able to have a new life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection.” (Rom. vi. 2-5).

Being crucified with Christ through Baptism, we may be resurrected with Him. You see, Baptism means drowning the original sin in purifying water. That original sin corrupts our soul and body and makes us like Adam. Being Baptized, we are changed. We are given the possibility to be perfect. Jesus Christ died so that sin would be drowned. When we die with Christ, we can be resurrected with Him on “the Lord’s Day”. Sunday, then, is the Day of the Resurrection of Christ. Each Sunday is a “little Easter.” By partaking in the Body and Blood of Christ, i.e., His Sacrifice to the Father, we share in His Death and therefore His Resurrection.

When the Church assembles on the Lord’s Day, She celebrates that which made the Resurrection possible, also. The Holy Eucharist is the Lord’s Supper, a participation in the Body and Blood of Christ. That Body and Blood hung on the Cross. Receiving the Body and Blood, we hang on the Cross. We die with Christ. We therefore, rise with Him on the Lord’s Day, Sunday. When we receive the Holy Eucharist we are in union with God: that is finally what we mean by the Kingdom of God. The Holy Communion which we must take each Sunday is therefore a taste of complete Resurrection and the Kingdom to come, the time when there will be perfect rest. When we receive Holy Communion our souls are resurrected so that in the Day of Judgment our bodies will be resurrected. In the Church, where we are offered the Holy Eucharist, we live in an acorn of rest that will grow and grow into the perfect oak of rest. Those who have been baptized into His Death and live in His Resurrected Body will be raised in the Last Day, “the eighth Day,” at the end, we who live in Christ, will be perfect as Christ and will be the “the seventh Day.” Listen to St. Augustine (C.D. xxii):

“For we shall ourselves be the seventh Day, when we shall be filled and replenished with God’s blessing and sanctification … when we are (completely) restored by Him and made perfect with greater grace, we shall have eternal leisure to see that He is God, for we shall be full of Him when He shall be all in all. For even our good works, when they are understood to be His rather than ours … we may enjoy this Sabbath rest. For if we trace good works to ourselves, they will be work: for it is said of the Sabbath. ‘You shall do not work in it’ (Deut. v, 14). Wherefore also it is said by Ezekiel the prophet. ‘And I gave them my Sabbaths to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctify them’ … This knowledge shall be perfect when we shall be perfectly at rest and know God perfectly …

In other words. by joining ourselves to Christ, we live in Christ and have the possibility of all the things God has promised us. Living in Christ, we live in the Sabbath and are introduced to the Kingdom to come. We are introduced into the Lord’s Day which we meet all too briefly on Sunday or whenever the Divine Liturgy is held. The Lord’s Day is the Day of Christ’s Resurrection. The Day when Christ rose from the dead and gave all men who are in the Church the possibility to do the same. We can be physically resurrected at the end of time. The soul is taken from death so later the body will be resurrected. The soul is risen from spiritual death, so that the body will join it in heaven. The soul that does not receive spiritual life in Christ will join the body in spiritual death in hell. (I say, the Church, because She is His Body.) When we die spiritually with Christ through Baptism and are resurrected spiritually with Him in the Holy Eucharist, we establish in our hearts the Sabbath and enter the Lord’s Day. We enter ahead of time, the “Eighth Day.'"

Thanks Mike

But there is error in the belief that Sunday is "The Lord's Day". The phrase "The Lord's Day" is only used once in the entire Bible and that is in Revelations and there is no indication that it is referring to Sunday. The "Day of the Lord" is used many times and refers to the day of His return and judgement on the world.

The biblical day is from evening to evening. And Yahshua was in the tomb for three days and three nights. He was entombed on the evening that started the High Day Sabbath beginning the Days of Unleavening which at that time was the beginning of the fourth day or what we would call Wednesday evening. John 19:31 He was not entombed on Friday as most people think.

Three nights and three days later brings us to Saturday evening. Wednesday night, Thursday, Thursday night, Friday, Friday night, Saturday = three days and three nights. Scripture says that the first day was when they found that Messiah had already risen but He rose at the end of the Sixth Day, Saturday. Yahshua did not rise on Sunday that is just when they found that He had already risen.

So Sunday is nothing but the first day of the week. The only time the first day of the week has any significance is the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) which always falls on the first day. Lev 23 Nowhere in Scripture does it say anything at all about Sunday being a weekly day of observance or worship in any way.

Also Yahshua never negated His weekly Seventh day Sabbath nor the High Day Sabbaths. The Apostles kept the Sabbath and the Gentiles who believed also worshiped on the Sabbath. The apostles also continued to keep the High Day Sabbaths. If they hadn't then they would not have received the Holy Spirit on the Feast of Weeks. The only thing negated was the animal sacrifice and the Levitical priesthood and of course the traditions imposed by the Pharisees and Saducees like the washing of hands which was not Scriptural.

All of your references that you say negate the Sabbath are taken completely out of context. What you need to look at are absolute Scriptures that need no explanation like Matthew 24:20 "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath." Or Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another All flesh shall come and worship before Me says Yahweh." Get out your concordance and look up the word Sabbath and read all the passages that pertain to it and you will begin to see that it is not negated at all.

"For THIS is the love of GOD, that we keep His Commandments and His Commandments are not burdensome." 1John 5:2,3

wow...

What's worrisome is the passion in what you've written. Many of it are un-scripture fallacies such as Christ being called the Sun of Justice, the moving of God's Holy Day (Saturday) to Sunday, etc. Much of the writings are so twisted it's quite alarming and to attach the beliefs of your chosen traditions "Holy" Eucharist other then God only has me in disbelief.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." Malachi 3:6

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18-19

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The Bible was written (new testament) by people who went to

Church on Sunday and received communion. Without them, there would be no Bible. The Bible is only one part of the Church. And the Roman Catholic Church had NOTHING to do with it, it didn't even exist until after 1054, hundreds of years after scripture was canonized. You have been judaized.

Having communion

Having communion isn't the issue whatsoever. But to say the Sabbath has changed to Sunday is so wrong. The Apostles and disciples of Christ still upheld the Sabbath. What does the harlot, the Roman Catholic Church have to do with any of this other then their idolatry and man-made traditions? What good is it to you to conform with your chosen traditions that is not scriptural?

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Nobody moved the Sabbath

The Sabbath is the 7th day, just as it has always been. However, the celebration of Christ's victory over death is now and has always been celebrated on the 8th day, the Lord's Day, Resurrection Day. Being informed doesn't start with forming an opinion./

No where in scripture does it

No where in scripture does it decree a celebration of the 8th day by the Almighty One. To each their own, worship the sun. I'll worship as taught in scripture.

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Yep, judaized for sure

That's a legalistic approach the pharisees would be proud of. The first Christians celebrated and got together on Sundays. Nowhere in scripture does it say only do what's in scripture.

What your ignoring is the

What your ignoring is the fact that the Pharisee's added traditions to go along with the scriptures to keep people away from God. For you to say that's what I'm doing is incorrect. I've not mentioned anything on traditions but you've certainly have done so.

The Apostles and first disciples of Christ gathered together on A SUNDAY, not Sundays Acts 20:7 confirms that. Worship your Sun on Sunday, the Lord of the Sabbath risen on Saturday. As Yahweh the Holy and True cares not for traditions, I will trust Him. Your tradition has significance to you that's all fine. But the sun worship is not and wrong.

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:20

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Perhaps it's 'mox nix' when the ox is in the ditch? :)

Luke 13:15
The Lord then answered him, and said, [Thou] hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or [his] ass from the stall, and lead [him] away to watering?

Luke 14:5
Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the Sabbath day?

Exception, not the rule of course....the point is more toward compassion rather than strict obedience to the sabbath unto the point of death for Heaven's sake.

Jesus said all this, not me.

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eh

May I ask (if I am seeing it correctly) why your comment is aimed at me?

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I was replying to both of you actually --

going back and forth as to "which Sabbath day is correct" when in fact Jesus Himself chose to teach (and exemplify) compassion over strict obedience (for every single day). Just pointing to Jesus (Himself) healing on the Sabbath day so the argument over which day is "the Sabbath" to some extent is "mox nix".

Just where the comment fell in the discussion, not picking on you only.

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George Carlin worshipped the sun and prayed to Joe Peschi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

I hope that is the right clip, my speakers are out at the moment. This is not just silliness, either, it is pretty deep thinking, with some humor. Another great philosophy from a comedian:
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I would like to assert

that Christianity is not the worship of a sun god. Why? The bible never mentions anything about the sun. Nor does it teach anything remotely like it.

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Agree and Disagree

I agree that Christianity is not the worship of a sun god. But, the Bible certainly has many references to the sun. Ezekiel 8 is one example where God specifically condemned the Sun Worship being practiced secretly in His Temple. God wants us to worship Him, not His creation.

Not all Biblical references to the sun reference paganism, however.

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The rationalizations people come up with

when they don't want to believe something can be quite astounding. Its interesting to me how a person with a completely rational mind, enough to see the lies and falsehoods perpetrated by our government elite would also be hoodwinked by something so depraved of logic and evidence.

My point being that many of you don't care to have a rational conversation, on either side. Some of you simply throw around statements without reason.

I know you guys are capable of more, you are afterall liberty supporters.

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Good grief

Yet another person who thinks they know what I believe better than I do.

I worship my Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no secret "Congratulations of being baptized. But just so you know, we're really pagans worshipping the sun, but let's keep up the facade of worshipping the Christ so we can get more converts and get more money, okay?"

I'm not bothering to watch the video.

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Its all sun worship.. thus

Its all sun worship.. thus SUNday the day of worship..

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I Don't Think It's All Sun Worship

But some of it is. Being a Christian, after I read Ezekiel 8, in which God condemned the sun-worship going on secretly in His temple, I found it very disturbing that Christians don't object to their day of worship being called sun-day. And, no, I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist. I don't adhere to the beliefs of any one "denomination", which is a monetary term.

BTW, we would do well to question all of the sun symbols that are so prevalent in so many places.

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Days of week are different in different european languages

Have different etymology origins depending on which European language you are using. It's "sunday" in english.

In france, it's the day of the Lord.

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Actually

Sunday was chosen as the day of worship because the jewish sabbath was on Saturday, while the Roman day of worship was on Monday, and the early Christians wanted to make the point that they were different from either of those.

Saturnday was worshipped by

Saturnday was worshipped by Jews because they worshipped EL< the god of Saturn.. Monday is MOONday..

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Star of Saturn - Satur (n) day

Actually, this might not be bad if you had some sources to back it up.

The six pointed star is not the star of david, no where is that in the Bible. What it is is the star of saturn.

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