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Is Christianity the worship of the son... Or the Sun?

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I don't know about all that astrology stuff.

But I find it pretty eye-opening that most cultures have their own versions of Jesus.

This is why I ask, how do you know you've chosen the right one? (If one needs to be chosen)

To the Christians: If you want to follow Jesus' footsteps, why don't you become Jewish?

By The Way

I would like to assert that Jesus is a highly unique figure in any religious teaching.

1. He is the only religious figure to assert that he himself is God
2. He is the only religious figure to be known and be recognized for his extreme goodness and moral character.
3. He is the only religious figure to have died for his followers, so that they can achieve eternal peace/salvation/ nirvana ect...
4. He is the only religious figure to have come back to life after death (the resurrection) with a great detail of documentation and eye witnesses.

Edit - By religious figure I also mean real life human.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

Don't know about any of

Don't know about any of that,

But Jesus Christ is the only person who fulfilled numerous Biblical prophecy made well before he was born, including one that had to the year when Jesus was going to come in the book of Daniel.

In the first chapter of Matthew, it mentions FORTY TWO generations since Abraham waiting for the messiah to come. All the while scripture being written, a long time in generations.

42 is the answer.


And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Thats all good

And true, but its important to note that many non-christians come from a standpoint being that the bible is not authoritative. First you have to prove that is indeed authoritative before you can use it to convince anybody of anything.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

It is a book of law

from the greatest to the small commandments.

These laws can be observed scientifically. That is evidence, and it is proof to me.

*** Sorry foring jump ahead of you MaxK :-)


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Yeah and there is nothing wrong with that

The point though is in convincing other people. A good example is somebody trying to convince you and me that the Koran is true and authoritative. Nobody will convince us of that by quoting its scriptures. There has to be evidence to its truthfulness outside of its written pages. Corroborations between the written words and written and known historical data confirming its truthfulness. That is how science and the laws of evidence, and truth work.

Much like the government claiming the Fed is all good and has our best interests at heart. Should we take that at face value? I think not.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

Prophecy like that can't be made by humans

I think you still haven't taken notice of the fact that the "Bible" isn't one book written at the same time, but a collection of books written over more than 42 generations.

This is not an argument you have looked at obviously. The prophecies are not vague, but detailed. One even gives when Jesus Christ is going to come to the year. The gospel message can be read in the old testament.

No book made by humans can do that. The only argument against would be against my assertions that they are really detailed, really do give the gospel message, and really are that detailed to the year of when Jesus Christ came.

And I'll be glad to discuss that.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Asking this question

reveals a level ignorance about what it means to follow Jesus. That is not meant as an insult. I simply mean that if you understood the teachings of Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the early church leaders, you would know that they taught that Christianity has no cultural bounds. Paul was a Jew, born a Roman citizen, and educated in Greece. His ministry was largely toward non-jewish cultures.

To answer your first question: The way you know is by deductive reasoning, and also by a good measure of faith. Many Atheists like to claim that reason alone can explain God away, but they don't want to admit that reason and science alone cannot explain a universe like ours without a creator.

P.S. - I voted your comment up.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

Thanks for the civil reply.

I appreciate when people are open to a real discussion.

In regards to your answer to my question: Couldn't deductive reasoning and faith be thrown out the window when you consider that most people believe what they believe because they were born into a family that practices a certain religion?

Of course this only applies to the majority, because it doesn't apply to all. Some people were born into Christian families and became atheists or switched religions and some were born into atheist families and became Christian or something else.

How can it be deductive reasoning if they don't inspect other religions first? Most Christians I know have not read other religions' bibles and therefore have no basis to want to change.

Everything you say is true

I myself was indeed born into a Christian family. And indeed, many people never seriously examines their faith whatever faith or religion it maybe. But I don't believe that your faith is predetermined by your family. And in fact that is proved false by your own claim that many people do switch or change faith. So in that we agree. I myself have examined my own faith, and I have come away more sure each time I have. Some people don't.

I think the point for me to make here is that being born into a faith system doesn't exempt a person from examining what the true nature of life and reality is. That is simply human nature.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

It is a blend

Sunday worship, Christmas, and that other spring festival (whose name I don't even want to mention) were previously holy days of other religions, mostly sun worshipers. That is a fact.

But those days and traditions are not found in the scripture. So be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water.


Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


There isn't really any refuting the origins of Christmas celebration. That holds real historical evidence.

But it is important to understand Christianity in order to understand how that came about. Christianity is cross-cultural - and has a tradition of attempting to do its best to communicate to people in their own language - in a cultural sense. You could say that "being everything to all people" is our unofficial motto.

And I fully admit that many of us don't hold to that motto very well.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

This is a cop-out theory

And has little professional or historical evidence. No serious scholar asserts any connection. The historical nature of the person of Jesus of Nazareth is a widely accepted fact by historical experts and there is little to no evidence suggesting anything other than the biblical account.

I'm sorry but posting a clip of the Zeitgeist movie will hardly debunk Christianity.

P.S. I am all for having a serious discusion about the merits of my faith. This is just silly.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

I invite you

I invite you to post any real or authoritative evidence from a scholar of egyptian history and mythology.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

The only evidence he could

The only evidence he could post is evidence of these scholars NOT pointing out these made of comparisons with Jesus. He could not point a refutation to a strange lie. That's not to say there are not actual similarities but these bullet points are distortions and fabrications. I've read the actual occultist/astrologers comparisons between Jesus and other religions and even they do not make the assertions made in the video. These are experts on the Egyptian religion and they would make the comparison if they could. The do make the astrological arguments to a more limited degree.

Ventura 2012

If you have to ask

If you have to ask go read the Talmud....

Jewish filth

Zeitgeist REFUTED & DEBUNKED! (Religious Portion)

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

What in the world?

Why is this even on here? Seriously? Might as well start posting Wesley Willis music or something. I mean I can stand government based conspiracies because at least half probably have some truth to them. But these religion based conspiracies have been around forever with no basis or even some contrived archaeological evidence. Most of the arguments of this sort tend to be flawed due to a lack of understanding of ancient culture or language, and start off due to the fact that sun and son are homonyms and people try to find meaning in that. It doesn't matter how many times you saw old black and white movies set in ancient times, they didn't speak english back then and the words for sun and son were likely quite different. There's no realistic basis for this sort of argument and so downvoted

Matthew 10:16

Wow, great video. This is

Wow, great video. This is even more great proof on top of the already existing proof we have that Christianity and all of world religions are made up by man to explain Nature. thank you for sharing, keep them coming!

This video is proof? Lmao

U kill me

thank you

for adding this video- it shocks me that people believe everything the preacher tells them- like when i was young and told that i was born a sinner and jesus died on the cross to save me- i knew even THEN (as a child) this was B.S.
not totally sure what exactly i DO believe in except the messages i have gotten all my life- don't know where they come from, but I feel like maybe it is from the inside...
no matter- these messages have never been wrong.
when the election does not take place in November, it will be an even bigger gift as THAT particular message is what has kept me from losing it after they railroaded Dr.Paul at the convention in tampa.


It shocks you yet you took

It shocks you yet you took the assertions in this video on blind faith and not on academic evidence!

Ventura 2012

I've been reflecting lately

I've been reflecting lately on child abuse, rape, and attempted murder, how the whole society seems like this, and that they couldn't be that way except that they were sinners. (obvious).

It's hard for me to see how someone can say the world isn't a wicked place. The only people that try to sell that are people trying to do something. "trust us".

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

where your thoughts are is where your truth lies.

change your thoughts to change your reality- your truth!
thoughts are things and if you truly think the world an evil place, then volunteer for the next food bank to hand out food to those who have none and then say the world is wicked.
all a matter of perspective.
btw- although the body and mind can be abused and hurt, the soul remains untouched by so-called wicked ways.


Think? Oh please, go sell

Think? Oh please, go sell your sin someplace else.

The Bible at least tells people to beware of wolves. To look at your original message I was responding to again, the abusive person was you insofar as you're telling people to not watch out for themselves. Basically, your telling people their crazy for recounting any of the evil things they've seen with their own eyes - ie YOU are the problem, not that preacher.

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

It really astounds me to think that on a political forum devoted to the 'evils of government' that some people may have a duel blind spot - the government is evil, but everyone else is great? HOW DO YOU THINK GOVERNMENT GOT THAT WAY? Problem is the people, not govenrment. Government is acting just like they do.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

You are a hypocrite

It's ok for you to say "Oh please, go sell your sin someplace else" but you felt I threatened you in the evil tree thread by saying "If you have a problem with that notion you're in the wrong movement and should go start your anti-winter solstice tree cult"


Actually, the government may

Actually, the government may just be acting more efficient than most people. Better liars, better cheats, better oath breakers and murderers.

FYI - my thoughts are with God. I'd advice you to get your thoughts there too.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.


guess what i was saying is that you gotta trust your "self"!!


"Son" and "sun" sound alike in modern English,

But they sound NOTHING alike in Latin which was the main language when Christianity was founded and for hundreds of years after.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

well, greek as well. The nt

well, greek as well. The nt is written in greek.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.