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Most of those objecting to Governor Johnson want us to vote Romney & Obama

Isn't that terribly ironic?

Of course, they're not going to admit it if they are here. Because here they are infiltrators attempting to minimize our influence in any way possible. Their aim is to either capture or neutralize the votes of Ron Paul supporters.

If they can't convince us to vote for Romney & Obama, plan B is to convince us to fracture our vote into insignificance by trying to get us to write-in candidates and vote for insignificant candidates which have failed to get on the ballot in most states.

The last thing the establishment wants is for all independents, libertarians, and Ron Paul republicans to unite behind a viable candidate like Governor Gary Johnson, and establish a viable third party.

The establishment's goal is to either scare us into voting for Romney & Obama, or fracture our vote into insignificance; divide and conquer!

Don't fall into their trap!

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r3VOLution, The Liberty MOvement

If you just listen to what Ron Paul has been saying, truly listen, you may get it a little more clear. Dr. Paul has told us that both the Republican and Democrat Parties are the same one party system. To vote for either party gives them credence and emboldens them to continue to put up the same type of candidates that they have, because in their eyes, that is what the people are voting for. Dr. Paul also respects individual freedom of choice, so he wants you to make up your own mind, however, he started, what is called. the r3VOLution, in order to challenge the one party system we have today. He has given us a clue by saying "Gary Johnson is wonderful."
The GOP has shown that they are very nervous because Liberty voters have expressed that we will not vote for their candidate. If we were to organize toward one vehicle, like the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party, and give a large percentage to one of them in the election, it will scare the crap out of them. If we splinter into several different factions, we will not be seen as that much of a threat to them and they will continue to put up the same type of candidates. If Rand happens to get the Republican nomination in 2016, by all means, we can gather around him, but for now, we need to send a clear message to them. If we do send a message of solidarity in our movement, I believe that would give them more incentive to nominate someone like Rand in 2016. We have to get together in this election or they will just look at us as a bunch of disenfranchised kids throwing a temper tantrum. Lets get unified and show the establishment that we are a force to be reckoned with. We will not win this election, but we can send a clear and present danger message to them. I believe this is the last election that we have the opportunity to do this. Let us band together as brothers and sisters of a movement that will go down in history as the movement that changed America's course back towards Liberty. My opinion.

My Problem

Is that I don't think it matters who you vote for they will cheat and still put Bevis or Butthead in office because that's what they do. How would we ever know if Johnson won? They stole votes from Ron Paul so why not Gary? Change has to come from the bottom up if it comes at all. I don't have anymore faith in the election process.

skippy

We don't even have to win, we only need 5%

All we have to do is get 5% of the vote and it will drive a wedge into the establishment duopoly and create an alternative party with ballot access and a portion of the funding which the Democrats and Republican have monopolized thus far.

Still no answers.

I'm still wondering what to do. A write-in in the state of Missouri goes towards the second place candidate, it doesn't even count towards the person I write in. With all the people crying about not voting for GJ and wanting a solid write-in campaign, those people are only considering themselves. Some of us don't want our votes to count as Romney or Obama votes. If we want our votes to count towards a candidate we actually have to pick one on the ballot.

Here in MO we will have the option of Gary Johnson, and Jill Stein as well as the D and R candidates. Vigil Goode did not meet the filing deadline for MO.

I've had a few people argue with me over this from the various RP forums, but I've been in contact with the local elections office as well as various emails to the Missouri SoS office and are all saying the same thing. A pending law suite to count write-in votes for this election was filed after the deadline to change the states election laws for the upcoming election. Any changes made now will be applied no earlier then the 2014 races for the state senate.

The Libertarian Party has the best chance of reaching 5%

Not only that, but at least Ron Paul has invited Governor Johnson to share a stage with him: www.dailypaul.com/259785/

And has said positive things about him.

Judge Andrew Napolitano also made it clear: www.dailypaul.com/259524/

Thankfully, my vote has

Thankfully, my vote has already been cast for Johnson and I can just sit back and watch with amusement the arguing and deal making for those who remain.

I am voting GJ

cause my state does not allow write ins.

I was under the impression that most people not voting GJ were Write in people, not Obamany.

Anyway. I wish the GJ and write in folks would stop bickering back and forth and respect each others decisions. Neither are wrong ones.

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20% of the RP movement was made up of libtards far left of obama and even kucinich!!. these are the ones who were let down by obama but never really liked(LOATHED) the fact that RP was/is a republican and he tightly holds republican, conservative, constitutional values.
these libs, now HAVE NO HOME. The fact that RP is a conservative republican has slapped them in their smug lib faces.
They cant bring themselves to go back to obama and know the truth about GJ but insist on following gairie because to actually join the republican party as RP has asked is repulsive to them, and always was.
They will cling to GJ until he slithers back to the GOP after the election then they will go back to OWS or greenies or who ever will take them. Most will seek a home in the libertarian party.
I hope they do, just keep them out of RP 2016, they will seek to bring down his republican campaign like they did this time.
The only reason most of the jontards were first with Paul was because of his non intervention foreign policy, the typical lib mind does not recognize constiutional gvt or a fiscally conservative role it should play- and they NEVER will.
so becareful of the lost bleeding heart gairie liberal.
They are seeking a home and after being around the 2 RP campaigns, I say they hit the bricks and get kucinich and GJ together,. but leave RP alone, he is conservative and will never be todays lib no matter how hard you wish he were.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

I Stopped Reading this

At libTARDS. Tards, bots etc. stop me in my tracks.

skippy

What?

This is why, after years and years, I now am drifting away from the Daily Paul and posting on other fora, becuase it's turned into the Daily Johnson.

To the OP: Surprising as it may seem, there are those of us who will not vote for GJ, as we feel he is a "meh" libertarian at best...nor will we vote for the Obamney twins. We are the same ones, who, on the Federal level, have decided not to encourage the bastards anymore and will abstain from voting.

The message: Screw Federal, top down government.That decision does not make me a Rombaney troll by default.

And I expect to see lots of little red numbers next to my comment, further emphasizing my point, as to whom now occupies this site.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Surprise

No little red numbers. You aren't alone in your thinking. For me it's Ron Paul OR NO ONE AT ALL! If they can cheat Ron Paul with so much support and enthusiasm then Gary doesn't stand a chance against the pigs in charge. The only way we can ever win this is if we go back to taking votes in a room by hand count in person without ballots that can be rigged. I will probably get little red numbers for this. Don't care. I sent a lot of hard earned money to Ron Paul for nothing. I went without stuff to do so!

skippy

Anarchists are worthless

Just as worthless as an ignorant person, but worse because they know what is going on and do nothing about it.

LoL! So supporting no

LoL! So supporting no government at all is worse than supporting 'any' government?

Southern Agrarian

Yes, anarchy doesn't work

When there is no protection of liberty at all, tyrants take over much more quickly.

It's The Government

that are the tyrants we need protection from! DUH!

skippy

They're called guns and

They're called guns and private property.

Southern Agrarian

And for thousands of years history has proven anarchy fails

And it fails quickly, when a larger anarchist group merely decides to raid a weaker one.

And that's the end of your anarchy.

see my post below...you make

see my post below...you make to many assumptions and then verbalize them...

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Well said!

I was about to post a comment along the same lines, but you summed it up perfectly.

"Fora?"

Where do you live? Could you even vote if you wanted to?

"Fora' is the plural of

"Fora' is the plural of 'forum' and English is my first language. We've been here a little while...My family, is the Rockwell family and has been here since 1635. Perhaps you've been to Rockwell Park in Bristol, Connecticut? My family is buried there, it was the Rockwell Family Estate until it was bequethed to the people of Bristol when my Great-Grandfather died. My ancestors fought in the American Revolution, The War of 1812, The War of Northern Agression, WWI and II, Korea and Viet Nam. My Great Grandfather founded Marlin-Rockwell Arms (now Rockwell International) invented roller bearings and numerous other inventions including the coaster brakes on your sister's bike. Norman Rockwell was my 5th cousin. My father, invented the soft-landing device used by the Surveyor moon craft and it is the same one used in the LEM to put man on the moon...so yea, they would probably let me vote...if I felt it would actually make a difference anymore.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Talk about a STOMP DOWN!!!!

Hahahahaha! Couldn't have been better if you were the direct descendant of Jefferson! As soon as I saw Rockwell I knew where it was going! People never know who they are talking to online!

skippy

If you don't even vote, what do you do?

Ron Paul advises us to at least vote at a minimum. Are you related to Lew Rockwell? You seem to have his do nothing attitude.

And, "forums" is the more common plural form of forum, at least in the US. So are you living in the US?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forum

Yes, I live in the US!

Yes, I have lived in the US all my life as have my ancestors. I have always voted,on a Federal level, until recently, when I finally realized,that in doing so, I was supporting a Federal, top down cental goverment which no longer represented me at all. Now, I only vote on local issues and am involved in the CSPOA. Does that explain why I vote as I do and what I am doing to promote Freedom?

BTW I spend hundred of hours tabling, going door to door and busting my ass for Ron Paul in '08 and in this campaign. I have also actively campaigned for Mike Benoit. I've done my fair share, but the new rules slammed in during the RNC by the Romney campaign dashed any last vestige of hope in changing what we have now. I am convinced that we now need to survive this system failure, and be prepared to step into power in the future. It why I wrote this a few months ago:

http://www.dailypaul.com/250627/are-we-to-be-freedoms-phoenix

I hope you now have a better understanding why I see the near future as I do. In the short term, I foresee a lot of pain and suffering, but in the long term I am certain that Liberty and Freedom will prevail as more and more awaken.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

So, in other words, you're not taking the advice of Ron Paul

At least not anymore. Why is that?

a wise one once said

better to say nothing and let them think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I never hear anyone in the US call forums, "fora."

That's just weird and foreign.

Wow...

I see you've been promoted from low-level GJ shill to the one-man Word Police.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Me too

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If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

If y'all are going to post

If y'all are going to post threads like this, don't speculate and make outrageous accusations. You are making a large generalization of a very diverse group.

"If they can't convince us to vote for Romney & Obama, plan B is to convince us to fracture our vote into insignificance by trying to get us to write-in candidates and vote for insignificant candidates which have failed to get on the ballot in most states."

Really? So we should totally abandon the Write in Ron for Iowa and Maine then huh? Just throw everything in the trash because the people who did the Write in Ron website are obviously Romney/Obama campaign workers. It is about the message. Right now the larger percentage of votes the third part candidates gets the better. You can't come on here saying people are here to co-op because they don't bow down to Johnson.

My counter argument is that idiotic posts like this one are splintering the group. Instead of posting negative horse-shit like this, try posting about Johnson's good qualities and why people would want to vote for them. Not, "You better vote for Johnson or its a vote for Obama!!!111!!1"

Southern Agrarian