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Most of those objecting to Governor Johnson want us to vote Romney & Obama

Isn't that terribly ironic?

Of course, they're not going to admit it if they are here. Because here they are infiltrators attempting to minimize our influence in any way possible. Their aim is to either capture or neutralize the votes of Ron Paul supporters.

If they can't convince us to vote for Romney & Obama, plan B is to convince us to fracture our vote into insignificance by trying to get us to write-in candidates and vote for insignificant candidates which have failed to get on the ballot in most states.

The last thing the establishment wants is for all independents, libertarians, and Ron Paul republicans to unite behind a viable candidate like Governor Gary Johnson, and establish a viable third party.

The establishment's goal is to either scare us into voting for Romney & Obama, or fracture our vote into insignificance; divide and conquer!

Don't fall into their trap!




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Voting for Ron Paul...

...is not the same as violently attacking Gary Johnson. The one does not require the other. I think you'll find that simple pro write-in RP comments fare much better in terms of up/down votes than violently anti-GJ comments. As I said, not everyone supports Gary Johnson, but almost everyone opposes your hysterical crusade against him.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I'm VIOLENTLY attacking Gary Johnson?

Who's really being hysterical here? I suppose in your little echo chamber, benign critiques of the policies he espouses can easily get blown out of proportion, but here in reality, if Johnson's that great, you should have no problem refuting our skepticism without having to hide our comments and demonize us.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Boom

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

or...... they have multiple.

or......

they have multiple.

LOL...

either the Johnson trolls really are paid shills or they don't have a life. I pity them either way.

I don't play, I commission the league.

"they don't have a life"

...says the guys who routinely responds to his own posts several times just to excoriate his downvoters.

In psychology I believe they call your behavior "projecting."

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Don't like it?

Stop censoring my comments.

I don't play, I commission the league.

How am I censoring your comments?

.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

You and your six other accounts...

along with your fellow trolls in the Gary Johnson MINORITY, intentionally downvote any comment that so much as question GJ's view on an issue into oblivion, hiding them from view. That's censorship.

I don't play, I commission the league.

If you want the up/down voting system at the DP changed...

...talk to Michael. In any case, I'd venture to say that most of the people downvoting you and your cadre's comments aren't scheming to hide your comments, they're simply reacting with disdain to what you're saying.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Petty disdain

As Gary continues new things have and will come out.. Will you all apologize for the bullshit when that happens? Nope.. you'll fade away from your name and get a new one.

Already we have Karl Denniger, a fairly well known Libertarian Economist coming out against Gary and his fiscal record on marketticker.com.

Since someone else had posted the link, I checked it out and started posting it as well. People have dismissed it with justifications and flimsy attempts to explain it away but nobody to date has truly explained it.

As a matter of fact in the month that I've been circulating it, only two have even spoken on it.. Most of them just downvote and slink away.

The truth is starring them in the face and they ignore it and continue on as if nothing was seen.

There wasn't a story about Dr.Paul that I didn't check out. I continually looked for something wrong with the guy. I was sure I was going to find some dirt on him so I could go "Aha, I've got you now!!"

So why is it that people who support Gary refuse to look and dig into his history past a few well spoken youtube words and a shiny political website.

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The primary reason...

...for people not caring a great deal about the details of Gary Johnson's past and his positions on issues, IMO, is that everyone with a half a brain knows he's not going to win, and that he's not going to be a major figure in the liberty movement going forward. If Mickey Mouse were running on the LP ticket, I would vote for him. My only concern is giving a demonstration of the libertarian vote. The masses are not going to know or care about Gary Johnson the man, I just want them and the Republican pundits and strategists to see a larger rather than a smaller number next to the word "Libertarian" on election night, and to reduce the ballot access burden on the LP for future campaigns. The "real" Gary (insofar as it differs from his campaign persona) really doesn't matter. It would be good enough for him to successfully pretend to be a libertarian for one campaign. Like his ads say, "be libertarian with me for one election," well, let Gary pretend to be libertarian for one election. It's to our benefit.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

"If Mickey Mouse were running on the LP ticket, I would vote for

him."

And that along with your other words are exactly what's wrong with the "Libertarian" party and why you'll only succeed in gaining national party status while setting yourselves up as just another staus quo that cares nothing for their own professed principles.

You sicken me.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Thats just not true.

Most of those objecting to Governor Johnson are the write in Ron Paul campaign.

Really?

That is narrow sighted. Do you think the Ron Paul write in campaign is anywhere near the majority of people?

Who do you think is mainly promoting a Ron Paul write in, which will effectively neutralize the votes of Ron Paul supporters? Who would do such a thing when Ron Paul is not running, nor even asking for it?

Who benefits when the votes of Ron Paul supporters are neutralized?

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your reply did not

answer the question or response posted
nice way of talking around it though
a vote for RP,is not a vote for any other but him
just as a vote for GJ is not a vote for anyone but him
but i have noticed a pattern here as of late
and this post yet another attempt at garnering support
for gj,and nothing less
how else can it be explained that anyone who downvotes a gj post
or states he will not get this or that vote,is labeled a romneybots
or an RR(whatever that is)?
this nonsense started before anyone here had even talked about
RP conceding
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

huh???

Oh phooey.......that's not true. What? You like causing trouble here? For someone who is supposed to be FOR GJ, you sure know how to P--- off a lot of people and turn them against him. I hope you are never on my side in an argument! With friends like you, one doesn't need more enemies!
I'm not voting for GJ because he's a neocon just as I did not vote for Barr. I don't think GJ even knows what he believes in. Having said that, you are free to vote for whom you please as I will write in RP whether you like it or not. In your mind, you are doing what's right, In my mind, I am also. Do you know what being Libertarian is? It's pretty much an idea of you do what you want and I'll do as I want and as long as you don't harm me physically in the process, what you do is none of my business. To collectively put all those who don't do as you think they should into a neocon supporter group is an insult.
The constant comments by those who support GJ that anyone who doesn't, is a Romney supporter is so prevalent it's insane. Hate to break this to you but most RP supporters won't vote for GJ. some will and some write in RP. For all of you to constantly call all those who don't, "Romney" supporters, is far out in left field in the ball diamond of the funny farm or any facility for the mentally challenged. You do more to drive people away from GJ then to help him. I almost feel sorry for the guy.

Oh, and vote me down a lot! I don't want anyone to think I'm in with this group!
Establishment infiltrators here? YOU have infiltrated the Daily Paul.

Deekey

Writing in Ron Paul to fight

Writing in Ron Paul to fight against the establishment who wants me to vote for Johnson, their controlled opposition.

No thanks.

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lol@ the cowardly

lol@ the cowardly Johnsontards who downvote and disappear.

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You give yourself away by calling people Johnsontards

I'm not calling you a Paultard for claiming you will write in Ron Paul. The only group that uses names like Paultard is the establishment.

Cover blown.

Sewing division.

I don't care if anyone votes for Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, write in Ron Paul, or don't vote. I do care that we not demonize each other, or imply that if someone does not agree with 1 particular view that they therefore must be establishment infiltrators.

Ron said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWJ34YANTYU

"Each of us must choose which course of action we must take. Education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary political change, but let it not be said that we did nothing."

The course of political action to take is an individual one. It doesn't matter to me who you vote for, I just humbly ask please don't rip the DP apart. Thx.

Sewing?

Do you deny that there are infiltrators here with the sole purpose of dividing Ron Paul supporter's votes and convincing as many Paul supporters as possible to vote for Obombitt?

It doesn't matter

What matters to me is my vote, and being able to live with that choice. There's been infiltrators on the DP since day one. I see attempts to sway people to vote for this guy or that to be largely unproductive, By now I think everyone has made their minds up. There's very few if any fence sitters here so trying to ram 1 person down my throat, whoever it is, will only cause angst. I love the DP, but this thread has nothing to do with having a nice honest open discussion about which candidate to support, and why. Where we exchange views and share insights, nope. This thread, and many like it, regardless of the candidate being pushed, are just meant to drive a permanent wedge between us.

I respectfully object. I hope we stay together after the election to continue working together to continue this movement.

RP has never asked for our

RP has never asked for our vote, we gave it freely....

this is where his support is overwhelming compared to any other candidate. People respect RP's humbleness and respect his unwillingness to pander.

You either like him or you dont....but will/wont beg for your vote.

This tired debate over "a wasted vote....is a vote for...." is stupid. Rmoneys people tried it on us and many other before him.....and now GJs people are trying it....way to follow insanity fellas.

Heres some undeniable facts:

if you supported RP or no one before and now you are GJ....you lied.
if you vote for GJ, he will still lose.
if you vote for RP, he will lose also.

Rombomney will be elected and there isnt a thing we can do about it.

I dont understand why people expect RP supporters to change their minds????

If Ron Paul ever said "I'm not the nominee, but write my name in

to show them that we made a difference." I would do it in a heart beat. But he has never once suggested that people write his name in.

And its not a matter of being humble. When he was running for the nomination Ron Paul didn't hesitate to ask for our votes. Its certainly not that he is too shy to ask us to write him in if he chose that route.

But since he ISN'T a candidate, and Gary Johnson IS a candidate, though Gary Johnson is far from perfect, Ron Paul did describe him as "wonderful", I choose to vote for the man that my favorite has LABELED "wonderful".

And that would be Gary Johnson.

Post a link to where

Post a link to where "wonderful" actually meant "I endorse GJ for President."

Do it and I promise to vote for GJ.

Maybe a candidate being wonderful but not worth endorsing means he is great but not close enough.....hmm....my thoughts on GJ also.

Post a link to where I ever said that "wonderful" actually meant

"I endorse Gary Johnson for President".

Do it and I might vote for Mickey Mouse for President - if indeed you also post a link where Ron Paul says that Mickey Mouse is wonderful too.

I didn't claim that Ron Paul was endorsing Gary Johnson with that word. Post a link where I did claim that was an endorsement.

I choose my words very carefully. Ron Paul has not endorsed anyone. We all know that. But he did say that Gary Johnson was wonderful.

Post a link proving he didn't.

the "wonderful" statement for

the "wonderful" statement for endorsement has been used by 99.9% of GJ trolls since that day.

now downvote this so it disappears, it only proves you all are losing the battle to convert RPs writeins for your failing, indebted campaign

Post a link showing that 99.9% of GJ trolls are claiming that

"wonderful" is an endorsement.

Or are you just pulling facts from your butt?

thats easy...just look at

thats easy...just look at every post that is in retort to writing in RP.

They cant believe that Paul didnt endorse him....mostly bc he is CFR, not pro-life, pro keeping troops overseas, flat tax, etc....

I WILL WRITE IN PAUL.

Get over it.

Your candidate is the least of 3 evils.