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Most of those objecting to Governor Johnson want us to vote Romney & Obama

Isn't that terribly ironic?

Of course, they're not going to admit it if they are here. Because here they are infiltrators attempting to minimize our influence in any way possible. Their aim is to either capture or neutralize the votes of Ron Paul supporters.

If they can't convince us to vote for Romney & Obama, plan B is to convince us to fracture our vote into insignificance by trying to get us to write-in candidates and vote for insignificant candidates which have failed to get on the ballot in most states.

The last thing the establishment wants is for all independents, libertarians, and Ron Paul republicans to unite behind a viable candidate like Governor Gary Johnson, and establish a viable third party.

The establishment's goal is to either scare us into voting for Romney & Obama, or fracture our vote into insignificance; divide and conquer!

Don't fall into their trap!

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Go write Ron Paul anywhere you want to.

Write it on a tree. Write it on the sidewalk. Write it on a box in your basement.

Unless you live in one of a few states where it will be registered and recorded - only you will know you did it.

So go write it lots of places. Only you will know.

Still looking for a link. Or did you make up your facts again?

You were the one begging for a link that wonderful meant "I am endorsing" when I never claimed that was what it meant.

You DID claim a fact. So where is your link?

here you go....F

Does it make you cry that Ron Paul said Gary Johnson was

wonderful and that people repeat it?

Is it less true because it makes you cry? (Hint. The answer is NO.)

Do you wish that Gary Johnson supporters would stop saying it?

Maybe if you hold your breath till you pass-out it will all go away? Try it a few times.

(And I didn't see anything there about 99.9% like you claimed.)

Youre right, the answer is

Youre right, the answer is no. It doesnt make me cry and it isnt less true.

Is it more true that that is the only thing you guys have to try to convince true rp supporters to switch.?

Hint, the answer is yes.

neo-con wars
wreckless spending
flat tax
cant run a campaign without debt

Does it make you cry that he isnt going to win? That no one know who he is or even cares?

It is over before it began....some people are so far behind in the race, they think they are winning.

Here is a percentage: I am 100% sure you were dropped on your head as a child and your bus was smaller than the rest.

Post links for all the negative comments you make about Gary


You can't because, like everything else you post its BS. Its mostly Romney misinformation.

Sorry Clowney - but Ron Paul isn't on the ballot no matter how many temper tantrums you have. It just isn't so. Get over it.

And write Ron Paul all over, on your ballot, on the ground, on your face, I don't care. Write Ron Paul, to your heart's content. Then take a nap and write it somemore. I am not trying to convert you. Because you simply aren't bright enough to bother with.

Are you kicking your legs in your highchair now?

Does it make you cry....

that Chuck Baldwin got something Gitmo Gary will NEVER get: a full-on, explicit endorsement from Ron Paul?

"Okay, he's wonderful, shut up already about that anti-life warmonger shill."

I don't play, I commission the league.

Post a link where Ron Paul said "Writing my name in even though

I am not a candidate would be wonderful."

And I will write Ron Paul's name is instead of the man who Ron Paul actually said was wonderful Gary Johnson.

And I am not trying to convert RP writeins. I am simply telling you what I am doing.

The fact that RP is only willing to vaguely compliment GJ

after being so quick to ENDORSE Baldwin in '08 is very telling.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Ron Paul didn't have a son who had endorsed Romney in 2008.

That likely has more to do with the lack of endorsement this time than anything regarding Gary Johnson does.

If Ron Paul were to endorse Gary Johnson - and in any state Gary Johnson were to receive enough votes to make a difference - where if those votes had gone to Romney, Romney would have won - it would certainly not help Rand.

Rand is sucking one up campaigning for Romney right now even though we KNOW he has many different views. That has got to be distasteful but neccesary for Rand to have greater influence in the Republican Party than Ron was able to wield.

Ron Paul is not going to mess up his son's chances by being a liability.

So are you saying Ron Paul is

So are you saying Ron Paul is principled except when it comes to the political future of his son?

I would say...

...that Ron Paul is doing what he thinks is best for the future of the liberty movement, as always. And I happen to agree that the course of action he's following is what's best for the liberty movement, even if it offends some of his own supporters.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I am not offended by Ron

I am not offended by Ron Paul, I was asking a question to the person above me to try to understand where they were coming from or what they were implying. I didn't state myself very well at all because both you and jetguy think I was saying Ron Paul is not principled or that I am questioning what he is doing. I am nobody...nobody to question Ron Paul. I stand in awe of what he has achieved and appreciate every sacrifice he and his family has made. I am good with Rand also, unless there are serious problems that I do not know. Otherwise I see him fighting the fight for Liberty as well.

How is preserving the political career of his son unprincipled?

Where is it writen that Ron Paul is required to endorse someone and that failing to do that shows a lack of principle?

Have you ever heard "It often shows a fine command of the English language to say nothing."?

Ron Paul is under no obligation to endorse anyone. We still have a private ballot.

I should probably use that

I should probably use that fine command more often than not. I was not saying anything about Ron Paul being unpricipled. I thought that was what you were saying. Note that I had a question mark at the end. I though you were saying that Ron Paul was not principled because he was protecting his son's political career. I am not saying that at all. I have no idea why Ron Paul does or does not do things. I will only know why if he says why. Other than that, I have no speculation. I think Ron Paul is 100% principled as far as I can tell.

For those objecting to Gary

For those objecting to Gary Johnson because of his pro-choice stance, just google "herbal abortions".

"You cannot legislate morality" ~Ron Paul

"With enough of us, around the world, we’ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge — we’ll make it a thing of the past." ~ Aaron Swartz

Keeping Dr. Paul's Words in Context

No, but Ron Paul in 2005, 2007, 2009, 2009 introduced the Sanctity of Life Act because Ron Paul says "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."

I think we need to keep Dr. Paul's words in context.

i.e. it is important to make every effort to protect life, but you are right, people will do what people will do...perhaps since there are herbal abortions that is why planned parenthood is so active to keep their shops open? A money maker with tax payer funds. It is all abouthte money, you know. And I am not talking about the poor woman making a choice. I am talking about the Legal Criminals who want to profit upon her choice.


There are so many other red flags for Gary that "pro-choice"

doesn't even come up. Technically, if he wasn't such a lying shit that is, his stance is almost the same as Dr.Paul's.. in the sense that it should go to the states to be decided.

I could get past that but I will not look the other way on his remarks about drones making more enemies yet keeping them going anyway.

Nor can I look past his Kony remarks.

Nor can I look past his fiscal record in NM.

Nor can I look past someone who has said they know very little if anything about Austrian Economics.

Nor can I look past his stance on the "Fair Tax"..

So believe what you will.. We all just hate Gary cause he has nice hair..sure.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Fuck Gary Johnson and you so called "Libertarians"

You motherfuckers are pushing a guy who doesn't even follow your own principles and you think WE are going to vote for someone like that so it will help YOUR party.

The LP, RNC and DNC can kiss my ass. You Bob Barr electing morons.

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For someone that does't like Governor Johnson

You sure are active in Johnson topics! I'd say that proves you have more motive than simply not liking him.

Absolutely I do..

It's called giving a dissenting voice and calling that douche out for what he is every chance I get.

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Paranoid, much?

Wow, I am voting Ron Paul in but totally understand the rationale one might have to vote for Johnson. I would never EVER encourage anyone to vote for Romney or Obama, period.

If anyone is an"establishment infilitrator," it seems more than likely it is someone who makes a particlar idea a little kooky...like here....makes Johnson supporters seems paranoid like crazy.

I don't care anymore who votes for whom--

I will write in Ron Paul--

or stay home.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Both of those will only benefit the establishment

If we want to break the establishment duopoly, so that good candidates can run and win in another party, then we need to fight for the principle of fair elections and more choice.

You can do that by voting for Governor Johnson, whether you like him or not.


this is the exact same scare tactic that Willard voters use to get people to unite around their guy.

"Voting for anyone other than Willard is a vote for Obama and the destruction of our nation."

"Voting for anyone other than Gitmo Gary is a vote for the establishment and the destruction of the liberty movement."

I don't see much of a difference here.

I don't play, I commission the league.

False, both Romney & Obama are a vote for the establishment

Where have you been? Not reading the Daily Paul?

When one attempts to scare another into voting for either Obama or Romney, they're still attempting to get a vote for the establishment.

Johnson is not a vote for the establishment, it's a vote against.

The hurdle we have to restoring liberty, is the establishment. It's the establishment we should be solidly against.

But We, I had someone just

But We, I had someone just last week tell me that I should look at a vote for Romney as a vote against Obama. That is the kind of logic I have given up on. I don't want to vote against something or someone. I want to vote for someone who stands solidly for Liberty. I agreed with Ron Paul 100%. Did you see my comment here:


It is another thing I am having trouble with and I heard Rand Paul talking about the same thing. Like Michael Nystrom's post about the guy wanting to pull the cashier thru a little hole if he didn't sell him some cigarettes. I'd like to pull these people thru the video clip and tell them that they are saying the wrong thing

So do I

So vote for the opportunity to do so. Voting for Romney & Obama does not give you the opportunity to do anything, but prop up the establishment. Nor, does voting for any other party except the Libertarian.

Voting Libertarian gives you the opportunity to have an alternative choice in the future, and oppose the establishment.

Let me tell you what the tea

Let me tell you what the tea party guy that stayed at our house last week said to me...he said if Romney looses he sees a 3rd party rising up with the face of Rand Paul...and he was surprised when I told him I was not going to vote for Gary Johnson (I guess he thought since I was a Ron Paul supporter it was a given?). That guy is going to vote for Romney, he was a Gingrich supporter and is active in the Tea Party in Colorado.

The other thing I cannot understand, why didn't the Libertarian Party get behind Ron Paul?

Ron Paul is focused on becoming the GOP

I've told you that before...

If you actually bought those Ron Paul books, you wasted them on that "Tea Party" guy...