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Most of those objecting to Governor Johnson want us to vote Romney & Obama

Isn't that terribly ironic?

Of course, they're not going to admit it if they are here. Because here they are infiltrators attempting to minimize our influence in any way possible. Their aim is to either capture or neutralize the votes of Ron Paul supporters.

If they can't convince us to vote for Romney & Obama, plan B is to convince us to fracture our vote into insignificance by trying to get us to write-in candidates and vote for insignificant candidates which have failed to get on the ballot in most states.

The last thing the establishment wants is for all independents, libertarians, and Ron Paul republicans to unite behind a viable candidate like Governor Gary Johnson, and establish a viable third party.

The establishment's goal is to either scare us into voting for Romney & Obama, or fracture our vote into insignificance; divide and conquer!

Don't fall into their trap!

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I did buy them and the DP has

I did buy them and the DP has proof of that because I went thru the DP link. Anyways, what did you tell me before?

Those books were not going to get read by me anytime soon...I had already had them for a month or more. I don't know when I got them but I sent you a note to tell you I did. You did not reply. At least that is what I am remembering. Maybe I never sent you a note.

The only thing I can remember is the statement that Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies. I had seen that many times on the DP before but did not know that it came out of the Preface of Manifesto.

Anyways, maybe I did not waste those books. Why would you say that? Maybe it will make a difference in the Colorado Tea Party. This guy has Ron Paul friends in the Tea Party. They were mad at him from what my husband told me after the CO caucus. The Tea Party Guy likes RP except his foreign policy. The guy is 25 years military officer retired...what do you expect? He even said that our nation has to do whatever it takes to make us safe including things that are not nice...

Anyways I want to know what you already told me so I will know. I can't remember stuff well. I have had multiple surgeries and chemo and am approaching 50 so my mind is not what it used to be. Sorry I cannot remember. Thanks :)

A vote for...

...Romney or Obama is a vote for the anti-Liberty establishment in the R's and D's. Why should I encourage more Romneys in the future by voting for Romney this time?

A vote for Gary (or Romney or Obama) is a vote for the anti-Life establishment in the L's (or R's or D's). Why should I encourage you to just run another pro-abortion candidate in 2016, by voting for one this time?

What assurances are you going to give me that you will support a candidate in 2016 who is both pro-Life and pro-Liberty in the mold of Dr. Paul?

And the crickets...

...continue to chirp while the downvotes accumulate. Why not just answer the question?

I already answered you

Why do you keep repeating yourself? Just to create noise?

Nobody can honestly give you any assurances, other than having another party would offer more opportunity and choices.

Not to create noise...

...to get into your head that if you want to succeed, you need to pursue pro-Life and pro-Liberty candidates in the future. The fact that you don't acknowledge this reminds me of the Romney supporters who don't understand the need to secure the pro-Liberty vote for the GOP to have any bright future, and it gives me little hope that my vote for Gary would not encourage you to just keep supporting pro-abort candidates.

You are actually pretty noisy

I have seen it pointed out many times. Right now you have no option for a truly pro-life candidate other than a feel-good vote. Refusing to support a vehicle for running a truly pro-life candidate does not help you either. If you decide not to support another vehicle because you dont like the candidate, then you remain stuck with the two options we dont have. The more choices, the more chances to get what you want. At least establish another vehicle, and another choice, then worry about who is running in it.

And pro-Liberty folks...

...are pretty noisy with their opposition to Romney. What's wrong with that? The squeaky wheel gets oiled. Silence and just going along with the cajoling and bashing to vote for either Gary or Romney will just be interpreted by either camp as encouragement to just keep doing the same.

Good point

Keep squeaking.

But consider voting for another vehicle to exist, not necessarily for Johnson as your ideal candidate.

Ya know.. come to think of it..

Remember when we were pulling all of those people into events and the numbers in Nevada were way off.. Well maybe it wasn't all them switching numbers.. Maybe the "Libertarians" campaigned for him but refused to vote because they're atheist.

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I'm writing in Ron, so according to this post, since I'm not voting for your guy, I'm shilling for the establishment. Gary really must have cheaped out on these shills, they can't even keep their smears straight.

I don't play, I commission the league.

If you write in Ron Paul, you will be no help

Your vote will not help to establish another option beside the establishment duopoly.

What's really stupid, is Ron Paul is not running and is not even asking you to write him in.

I suppose you're at least good for bumping this topic, thanks.

When did Ron...

ask us to vote for Gitmo Gary?

How do you know your vote for Gitmo Gary won't get flipped to Willard or Barry by the Diebold machines?

I don't play, I commission the league.


Gary's paid shills are quick on the downvote button today! You all must really loathe Ron Paul and the First Amendment.

I don't play, I commission the league.

the 1st amendment protects

the 1st amendment protects you from Government interference. Not from public feedback.


considering it's the Johnson trolls who are silencing all public feedback.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Downvoting me...

only serves to prove my point. Grow up.

I don't play, I commission the league.

I plus oned you.

For some strange reason.. someone down-voted this. Could it be that they hate that you're not going to vote the way they want you too? lol

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Ha! I got 8 downvotes for . . .

saying that I was going to write in RP--

on the Daily Paul!!! This would be funny, if it weren't tragic.

It's interesting; this is the same tactic my Romney 'friends' are using--

and their speech has been pretty harsh and condemning of my continued support for a man who is not running--

but I will not vote for anyone I could not support as president--

it's amusing, but also sad, to see how little respect there is for the agency of each human being--

as if voting matters anymore, anyway, with all the rigged machines, etc., etc., etc.--

and the antics of the GOP and RNC, etc.--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Ron Paul is not asking you to write him in

But the establishment would love if you did!


and I don't care what any of the other three (or more) ask or want--

I will vote my conscience--

whatever happens--

and I wonder what *you* are gaining by this 'teasing'--

I wouldn't vote for RP if he asked me to--

it's not because someone is asking to be voted for that I vote--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

As if Obama isn't gonna love that you're voting for Gary

over Romney... what of it.

We do it to satisfy our needs and wants.. if it benefits someone else unintentionally, that's just the way life is.

It's not going to stop me from doing it because you think someone else will benefit from it. All I know is I'm not helping Gary, Goode, Romney or Obama intentionally.

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What is the goal: Inflamation or Support?

We, the only reason I stopped in here is because it was at the top of the active forums and because the title said "Most of Those…"

I think it would be in order to take a poll before stating such a claim.

My position is this. I will most likely not vote for Gary Johnson due to the life issue which I would have a very difficult time personally abandoning.

That being said, I do not want anyone to vote any certain way and I would never tell anyone to vote for anyone...except perhaps Ron Paul. I did encourage people to vote for Ron Paul, but I could do that in good conscience. Honestly, in good conscience, there is no one this year I would tell anyone to vote for...in good conscience, so everyone needs to use their own conscience and vote the way their conscience determines to be best.

I would never, never, never, never, say vote for Obama or Romney...NEVER. And I would never tell anyone not to vote for Gary Johnson. I will only say I most likely will not, and I have already said why. That being said...I would warn people why I would not vote for Obama, I would warn people why I would not vote for Romney, and I would warn people why I would not vote for Johnson. I want to vote Constitution Party but I have reservations there as well and would never tell anyone to vote for Virgil Goode…Honestly, there is no one running that I can get excited about, because Ron Paul changed my life and outlook.

So I do not think it is fair to use that title…unless of course you are speaking of the American public as opposed to the Daily Paul participants. And that being said maybe you should consider your audience. IMO the title of this post is inflammatory towards the audience of the Daily Paul.

Is to goal to raise people’s ire or to gain support for Gary Johnson?

The majority of people are voting for Obama & Romney

That should go without saying. Certainly I did not think I would have to explain that. Therefore, a portion of this majority will do all they can to stop others from voting for Johnson because they feel such votes are being 'stolen' from their anointed candidates.

They will also do all they can to stop Johnson from solidifying a third party in opposition to the two they are voting for. And Johnson is getting close.

So, are you truly only a person that is going to vote for principles that will not get defended by someone that is going to lose, even though there is an opportunity to make a real different and support the principle of more free elections and more choice in elections? Or are you a person that would rather see no change, and have no effect?

Which principle is more important at this juncture, principles that will not get defended, or principles that can change the system so that principled people can actually get elected and then defend the principles you believe in?

The issue raised wasn't whether

or not the majority were voting for Obama & Romney. Yes, that should go without saying. The issue as you phrased it had to do with those specifically objecting to Gary Johnson. I would imagine that MOST Americans haven't given an iota of thought to Gov. Johnson. Thanks to the msm blackout of third party candidates, certainly people I know don't know and don't care much about anyone but... Obama & Romney. I think bear raised a valid point. I happen to be pro-choice. So, while I also do not plan to vote for Johnson, I do not share bear's reason. (Though I imagine if she knew mine, she'd have a second reason.) Nonetheless, like bear, I would NOT recommend to anyone to vote for either Obama or Romney. And I'm quite sure that, at least here, among those not planning to vote for Johnson, not all but most would feel that way. I think most Romney supporters (Newt Gingrich, for one) mistakenly think that, if holding their noses, many of Ron Paul's supporters will, in the end, come over to Romney. But of the many here whose plan it is to write in Ron Paul, I'd say it has zero to do with any establishment infiltrators and 100% to do with Ron Paul.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

No, the issue raised is those "objecting" to Governor Johnson

Most of those objecting to Governor Johnson or attempting to smear or marginalize him, know exactly what is going on.

Take the media for example.

And no, there are definitely infiltrators here, many of them. They only become active or expose themselves at key politic points. You can see it in the traffic and content, it's a huge surge right before elections. And, yes, even the media and Obama and Romney employees participate in Daily Paul.

Even Reince Priebus, the RNC Chair, admitted he does. They don't come any more corrupt.

We seem to agree on all but one thing.

You seem unable to understand that there are those here who, for one reason or another, simply can't in good conscience vote for Johnson. It has nothing to do with the media blacking out coverage, smearing, or otherwise marginalizing him - although I'm not arguing that that doesn't exist. It has nothing to do with infiltrators - though I'm sure they are here. Some "object" to Gary Johnson because of something he stands for, or doesn't, that is not in agreement with our values. Once Ron Paul did not get the nomination, I did give GJ serious consideration. I read his campaign site. I read all the posts here that concerned him. I told others about him. I forwarded his You-Tube videos to friends. My choice to vote for Ron Paul was not an option, and I was willing to vote for someone else although he might not represent my "ideal." And I was almost convinced that GJ would be that viable option. He lost me - HE lost me - as a result of his live-streamed Town Hall meeting. I expressed it on that thread, got pummeled for it, and so be it. Just kindly stop inferring that any vote he doesn't get from RP's supporters is just a matter of him being a victim of circumstances. Accept that different things matter to different people, and he simply does not appeal to all of us.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

So don't vote for Governor Johnson

Vote for the Libertarian Party so we have an option to oppose the duopoly dictatorship.

If someone asks who you voted for say, "The Libertarian Party." When they say, "Oh, Johnson?" Then reply, "No, the Party itself. I would like to have more choices in the future than just the establishment parties."

Hi there, What town hall did

Hi there, What town hall did you listen to? Thanks :)

Once again, bear,

you've made me laugh. I went to find that post for you, and while I was there I re-read my comment. I saw that, at the time, someone had replied and had this long discussion with me. Surprise. It was "bear." So maybe you don't have a second reason after all! LOL

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

And now my friend, I am

And now my friend, I am laughing. I'll have to go see what that was all about :) Life is too crazy! I am going a KC Symphony Field Trip tomorrow :) I didn't remember util the teacher said something to me at 3 today. I had already double booked with my sister at 7 this morning...and that was AFTER looking at the school calendar at 6 am and realizing I had a field trip. I need a brain transfusion :)