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Proof That Write-in Votes are Counted, 2008 Results for Ron Paul

I expect every Johnson troll spreading the disinfo that "write-in votes aren't EVER counted!" to address this directly. Ron Paul write-ins were even counted in Pennsylvania.

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008pres.pdf

And that's that. The Liberty message is non-negotiable. The Liberty message IS RON PAUL.

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This is no longer about

This is no longer about Dr.Paul or Gary Johnson.This is about the freedom movement.We need to break the two party duopoly by getting the Libertarian party recognized and we can only do that if the Libertarian party gets 5% of the vote.That is why I will vote Gary Johnson.I don't agree 100% with Johnson,mainly because of the unfair tax that will continue feeding the beast but anyway I think we must try to break the chains of the Democrips and Rebloodlicans.

it was never about gary johnson

I don't remember gary leading the rEVOLution at any point. This place WAS about Ron Paul. I won't vote the lesser of three evils and happily wrote in ron paul here in Cali.

My vote will count and I agree 100% with my candidate. I see many are able to compromise their vote and more power to them if that is how they feel their vote needs to be made.

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The website you sent us to

Only show results form the primaries. Ron Paul was on the ballot (in PA) so the total shown for him did not come from write-in votes.

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Kind of a fun list

I'm not sure you've made a substantive case for or against the write-in. Being among the lists of Mickey Mouse's and Joe the Plumbers probably won't shake the world out of their slumber.

The Illinois guy probably knows who he is. Has he posted here yet?

I wrote in RP in 2008 and it was fun enough. Do it if it floats your boat!

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Even your title is a lie

You in no way offered "proof" that write-in votes are counted. Only "evidence" that a few states did - and that was probably helped along by some of our activists.

Furthermore, these results were calculated well after the election day. So, the numbers in a few states, even if they are huge numbers in the thousands, will not be reported. No one except us will every know.

Do as you will - but I am doing what I can to effect change. I agree with GJ on almost every issue so he gets my vote. Your write-in evangelism is about as effective as the Campaign for Liberty was.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Some write-ins won't be counted

If you live in a state where write-in ballots are counted, then yes, a vote for Ron Paul is counted. However, some states don't count write-in votes. Here is a list:

In the following states Write-Ins are not counted PERIOD
Arkansas
Hawaii
Louisiana
Missippi
Nevada
New Mexico
Oklahoma
South Dakota

In the following states there are Sore-Loser Laws (which means if a candidate was on the ballot for a primary in that state, then they can't run under another party or as an independent)
Georgia
Illinois
Indiana
North Carolina
South Carolina
Missouri
Oregon
Washington

In the following states the candidates must file (and some of these states also have Sore Loser Laws)
Alaska
Arizona
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida
Idaho
Kentucky
Kansas
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Montana
Michigan
Nebraska
Ohio
Rhode Island
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
West Virginia
Wyoming

So only in the following States can the vote write-in any name they want, and their votes will be counted
Alabama
California
Delaware
Iowa
New Hampshire
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Vermont
Wisconsin

(http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/did-you-know-there-are...)

hmmm, I wonder if there's a

hmmm, I wonder if there's a way to nullify these ridiculous 'sore-loser' laws, it's like how on earth do they 'help' the voter in the first place, because they're certainly not enacted in the best interest of the voter as far as I can tell... I wonder what the history is on how they even got passed, I'll have to do a little research on it.

They technically don't apply in presidential races.

We've covered that here on DP many times.

Unfortunately for GJ, he didn't have either a good enough lawyer to get on the ballot anyway, or else not enough time to appeal far enough in time. I think the Michigan elections official also was being underhanded on that issue and held things up till it was too late to win.

Any judge who does claim they apply, is simply flat out wrong.

That is because there are NO primaries for president in any state.

Any judge who thinks that there is, is an idiot who can't read the Constitution.

Are you that gullible?

No one in Idaho wrote in Ron Paul? You really believe that? I live here, I do not, since I personally know several people who wrote him in. He did not fill out the paperwork to have his votes counted, so no Ron Paul votes were counted. How Santa got his vote counted is actually worth an investigation, but I don't have the time or money to do that.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

This list isn't too encouraging.

I don't believe Ron got only 1 vote in Illinois.

Santa got 6 in Idaho, Ron got 0.

Some states have some scattered category, I guess pooled write-ins.

Montana has , what I see as an accurate count 10638.

Only 1092 votes for Ron in NH! I don't believe it either.
How can he get 10638 in Montana and only 1092 in NH? Party error perhaps?

California is probably correct.

In RI it could be correct,but I suspect the scattered is for Ron Paul too. THEY PROBABLY WEREN'T COUNTED!!! Thats what they do!!!
HUGE PROBLEM WITH RI. What is scattered in RI? Scattered is the write-in winner with 667 votes, yet many candidates below have only 5 votes. What is the scattered in RI?
Maybe people with only 1 vote?
So.. 667 people got 1 vote?

In west Virginia we were edged out by Santa again. 59-0.

This is why we are using our absentee and mail in ballots

when available. If even one county can prove fraud beyond a shadow of a doubt, we can force the entire state to do a recount.

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Bump for Ron Paul over the Johnsonite tide.

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So

These write-in totals were reported by the MSM?

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
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When?

How many months later were write-ins reported?

Did they get any press? At all?

I'll bet this is the first time anyone saw this! Sure was for me!

I can see it now, "Breaking News, Ron Paul got 136,579 write-in votes in last month's presidential election, compared to the _____million cast for ______ and _______ million cast for ________, the winner."

The media didn't report Ron Paul's second place finish in the (Colorado?) primary in 2008; they're not reporting this.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

The "Press" has ignored a lot

of Dr.Paul's worth so what's your point? That we might get ignored again? No news there.

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Write him in.

Vote Johnson, like I am.
JUST DON"T LET ROMNEY WIN!
Even if you need to vote for Obama in swing states.
The goal is to make Mitt lose.
I want it to be our fault Mitt loses.
AND I want the media, especially FOX to be all pissed about it. I would love to see Gary Johnson get 5% in NH and Obama win there by 2000 votes.
Or Goode get 3% in Virginia and Obama win there by 5000 votes.

Lets make Mitt lose!!!
YES WE CAN!!

I think the comments below handle the "proof" issue well enough

Yes, this is proof SOME states count Write-ins and SOME might report them as Ron Paul.

But it is also proof NOT all of them will. In fact, MOST will not.

There are even clearly States where they count Write-ins but show them as "scattered" even though they also show some by name. Perhaps those scattered people needed to file as a Write-in, there's no foot note on that.

There are people who did write Paul in and they see no such votes in their State.

So thanks for the official record - it proves the point of both sides.

Writing in Ron Paul will be counted in SOME States, but even if it is, it may not be reported as his vote, and even if that is done, no one will find out for months, or perhaps years what the result was.

What you write-in campaign folks are missing are two key things:

#1 - You have ZERO influence on Electoral Votes without a massive public write-in campaign on behalf of Ron Paul himself. You'll never get enough on your own to even register a sound bite.

#2 - Ron himself said this is up to each individual and your behavior at trying to demand others follow your choice is against his wishes and advice.

If YOU want to write him, go for it.

If you want to inform people in what States they might or will be counted - go for it.

If you want to organize and get the paperwork done or file lawsuits to get them counted - so be it.

But to persistently badger the DP community that we all have to play the game you want and cast the vote you want is very "anti" Ron Paul.

"But to persistently badger the DP community"

The ONLY badgering being done to the DP "Community" is from the GJ people hounding us to vote for him.

I don't CARE if you vote GJ past giving my opinion on it. I hope he does win so all of you douches will see that the Libertarian Party has been co-opted.

You'll never know that I'm right because he'll never win.

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I'm not advocating anyone vote for GJ.

I don't see that anywhere in my comment.

I'm most likely not going to vote in this race at all because I don't like any of my choices.

Nice attempt though to deflect against my points.

They still stand.

Do what you want.

Leave the rest of us alone.

Your points are irrelevant.

and no.

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So Ron Paul's own words are irrelevant?

And not having any influence without a massive official write in campaign - that's irrelevant too?

Wow. I see you don't have an answer so all you can come up with is "irrelevant."

Hmm... I sense irony in that.

Don't put words into peoples mouths

That's a cowards approach.

I said your POINTS are irrelevant and they are.

It doesn't matter, nobody is going to win. What you're trying to do is manipulate a vote. It isn't going to happen. We're as in a shit load of RP supporters don't believe in Gary or the contrived positions you dream up for us to try and get us to vote "strategy".. Our write-ins are going to have the same effect.. What we want it too.

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I never said anything about voting for Gary. Don't put words

into MY mouth.

And I suggest you go re-read my reply and look at #1 and #2.

You said those were irrelevant.

Those were respectively, what I just mentioned - not having any effect, and what Ron Paul himself has advised us to do.

You should read before you spout off.

I'm not trying to manipulate anything.

If you want to write Paul in, go for it.

Just leave the rest of us alone if we don't agree its the best course for us.

You're busy knocking others choices so I'm busy knocking yours.

Deal with it.

My points stand.. You ARE trying to manipulate people and stop lying about why.. because you want people to vote for your man Gary.

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That comment has absolutely no basis in reality.

You have NO IDEA who I'm going to vote for or if I even plan to vote in that race at all.

Currently, I'm leaning to skipping that race entirely.

Gary is NOT my man.

I have NEVER said he was. EVER.

I'm not trying to manipulate anyone.

You obviously don't have an answer to Ron Paul saying it is an individual choice so you chose to make things up about me instead.

Classic FAIL - you've resorted to personal attacks instead of arguing the point at hand.

What would you know about reality.

Sure you are... You're a Gary guy through and through.

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How about some proof?

Of course not. You don't have any.

You're too busy responding to me as if I'm someone else on this board.

You never bothered to read MY words. Instead, you'd rather make a sweeping generalization that anyone who disagrees with you, must obviously be pro Gary Johnson.

How absurd.

Not one shred of proof can you find. None. Why? Because' I'm not a "Gary guy" at all. I have no intentions of voting for him.

I'd rather vote Ron Paul, but I don't have that choice.

I'd like to be able to write him in, but can't.

So I'm left to either pick someone else on the ballot, or not vote in that race at all. And that's what I'll likely do, because I don't like any of my choices.

Can you prove otherwise from anything I've written here? No.

Oh no.. you're a Gary guy.. since many of them don't seem to

be burdened with much in the way of morality, I can see why you'd rather stay in the closet. It makes it easier to manipulate people.

Why can't you write Ron Paul in? No pencil? Hand cramps? You'll be at a Gary event that week?

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Why do you keep insisting on making things up?

No, I will not be at a Gary event.

I'll be voting that morning in OTHER races, and for ballot referenda, and then going to work.

I can't write in Paul because I live in a State that doesn't allow it. It's not that they just won't count it. They don't ALLOW IT.

We use push button machines, not paper or touch screens. There's no PHYSICAL way to write in Ron Paul AS A VOTE.

Sure, I could deface the machine. But that accomplishes nothing in terms of a vote.

As well, I'd be arrested, because they visually inspect the machine as each person exits.

I don't think Ron Paul would condone that behavior on my part.

Are you trying to insult me and tell me I'm an immoral person? Why? Based on what?

As you recall, this entire comment thread started with me pointing out the "evidence" that write-ins are counted, ALSO shows there are cases where they are not.

You're getting all bent out of shape, because you can't accept reality.

Enough with the personal attacks and baseless accusations.

Grow up.

Obey your government Gary!

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