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The Corrupt Establishment Fears People Uniting Behind Governor Johnson

And this has been clearly evident at Daily Paul over the past several months, where establishment infiltrators have materialized to aggressively attack Governor Johnson, distort and exaggerate his positions, and do everything they can to dissuade people from voting for him; attempting to divide our votes and support among write-ins and any other candidate except Governor Johnson.

The reason is, because if Governor Johnson gets 5% of the vote then not only will it buck the two party system, but it will permanently establish an alternative party and change the duopoly illusion programmed in most people's minds.

As a former governor, Gary Johnson is one of the most credible candidates the Libertarian Party, or any third party, has ever had, and this frightens the establishment.

Sometimes the obvious merely needs to be stated, and restated, before it sinks in.

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You don't?

Not even signed up to email lists, eh?

I never got a memo from Dr.

I never got a memo from Dr. Paul that said: "But with [my] success in the Republican Party, [I've] changed tactics and [am] focusing solely on becoming the Republican Party.

So you are telling me, if Chuck Baldwin were running again for the Constitution Party, then Ron Paul would not endorse him?

Hi Denise,

My goodness, I don't know what has gotten into WE, but he chased me into the MOD Box and is torturing me there...I am laughing so hard I am crying why telling you this.

Anyways I would like to write in Ron Paul, but we have sore looser laws and also laws that say if a write in as well as a printed ballot candidate are designated, the printed ballot candidate takes president.

Sounds like a case for ballot tampering for me.

I am almost driven to the point of not voting. I can hardly stomach Virgil Goode except that he is Pro-life and after the way I have been treated by some of the GJ supporters here on the DP it makes me wonder if he might be the same as his supporters.

Thank you for your kind words, it is nice to have a little encouragement. I do try to be a nice person to everyone. Today it has been hard.
...

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You're welcome bear :)

I suppose you could always leave the selection for president blank and still vote for any liberty candidates in your area (if any), as long as that won't disqualify your ballot (I think not, though you should doublecheck first). Whatever you decide to do, it certainly is your decision to make and nobody should be pressuring or insulting anyone into doing anything...it really does tend to make people not want to listen to anything they have to say. :-)

Oh, yeah sure, the old 'judge a candidate by his supporters' gig

I've seen all your tactics before...many times.

But maybe not as "sweetheatedly."

Liberty or Tyranny

Hey, I sat next to a stripper at a Ron Paul rally and didn't have a problem with it. She was nice, she was civil...a little high, but oh well.

But, if you represent the kind of people that will surround Gary Johnson in a Johnson administration I can say that we will not see Liberty. As far as I can tell your behavior represents tyranny very well.

Tyranny cannot be administered through a voluntary forum

What you don't like is that I don't care who you are, nor how "sweethearted" you appear to be. It makes no difference to me. Your persona doesn't win any extra points with me.

You are right We,

It bothers me that you don't like me. It hurts my feelings. My persona is me and I try to be kind and civil. It is a purposeful action on my part. So yes, I don't like it that you do not care who I am. It is my goal to be a Friend of Liberty as well as have Friends in Liberty. I am sorry for being offensive. I would have liked it if you had considered me a Friend instead.

IMO Tyranny can be exercised by voting down an ID everytime it is seen instead of by individual comments. IMO Tyranny can be exercised when ID's are ganged up on with negative votes just because of the ID while the contrasting comment is voted up with just as many votes. IMO Bullying is a form of Tyranny.

Believe me, I hate that democracy is used to judge our comments

Democracy is superficial and often wrong.

The last thing we should be doing at a forum that professes to be, "Dedicated to restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America," is promoting democracy as a good way judge things.

Democracy is never a good way to judge things, because the exceptional ideas are voted down by the mob that doesn't understand them, and the mediocre ones are voted up. In that sense, you're winning!

There never used to be democracy here at Daily Paul, and it was wonderful, people simply chatted. I've asked many times that the democracy be removed, and the original Daily Paul restored:

http://www.dailypaul.com/156756#comment-1690392
http://www.dailypaul.com/156756#comment-1870873
http://www.dailypaul.com/156756#comment-1690738
http://www.dailypaul.com/156756#comment-2582375
http://www.dailypaul.com/156756#comment-2491909
http://www.dailypaul.com/156756#comment-2387606
http://www.dailypaul.com/156756#comment-2367842

www.dailypaul.com/255603#comment-2751323
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www.dailypaul.com/255603#comment-2751420
www.dailypaul.com/255603#comment-2751557
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www.dailypaul.com/comment/2623219
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You mean his foreign policy of bringing the troops home?

That would involve closing Gitmo too.

speartip

Im not saying GJ is a bad candidate I myself am still deciding to vote for him or write in Ron Paul. My point to bear was, if you want to intelligently argue against him, something as divisive an issue as abortion isnt the way to go. That will do nothing to dissuade the 50% of libertarians who are pro choice. If youre going to argue, argue with something of substance.

I'm voting for Gary Johnson

Hi,

I don't care about the Reps and Dems anymore. They are a bunch of corrupt bunch of fools. They had there chance to run things and they ran this country into the ground. Why should we want the same fools doing the same thing again? I think we need a change and a change is 3rd party. Gary is no Ron Paul, but he'll do the job better then Obomba and Mitt Reckme.

Im not an "establishment newbies" and I still can not trust GJ

Why do you have to collectivise and attack? The way I see it, is that the DailyPaul has already been infiltrated to swing support to GJ, someone who to me, I have no reason to actually trust, and a few reasons not too.

The lack of discussion when it comes to Ending the Fed and the KONY remarks, and why Uganda has ANYTHING to do with the US anyway, is very irritating, as these are majour concerns for me, concerns that no-one seems interested in allaying.

I would have to say The Corrupt Establishment Feared People Uniting Behind Congressman Ron Paul more than Governor Johnson.

Still no Discussion

I really do not understand?

What are you afraid of?

Yes...

there is no doubt that professional trolls have been hired to saturate the Daily Paul with anti Gary Johnson dogma. It is cool knowing that we are that big of a thorn in the ass of the establishment. Most of us are too smart to be duped so it will have little effect.

Congrats Michael! The Daily Paul is under attack...You must be doing something right!

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anti-gitmo gary dogma?

i just spewed soda out of my noses laughing AT you!

we don't have to CREATE any of that my fine, feathered friend

gitmo gary's own words destroy his own self when it comes to the True American Party and the RP faithful!

I promise you, as a 5 year member of the DP, not only am I surprised at the number of leaches come here BEGGING for RP supporters to get behind their globalist scum but also at the way they can NEVER refute our allegations against him

we are too smart for your lies and damn lies!

and, just fyi, scumbag, Ron Paul ain't supporting him, either!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Its is amazing to me

at how little discussion is going into refuting these so called "attacks"? By the way, I am not attacking Gary Johnson, I just want some answres? Why is that so bloody hard?

Why does no one want to try and allay my fears that Gary Johnson WILL NOT END THE FED, and will continue to start wars in countries that have nothing to do with the US, but just in a different manner, ie KONY and Uganda.

I want to see some footage of Gary Johnson attacking and calling for the end of the Fed, and Wall street's corruption, on National TV, and I want to hear Gary explain how, Uganda has ANYTHING to do with the US? Is that really too much to ask?

.

"By the way, I am not attacking Gary Johnson, I just want some answres?"

THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS AND NEITHER DOES GJ THATS WHY.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Don't know why you'd be so concerned

He's not on the ballot in Australia, is he?

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

FU Scumbag!

I too have been here for almost 5 years and I remember very well when Gary Johnson was very popular here. I remember Gary Johnson money bombs. Yep...it's true. Do you remember that you filthy scumsucking shitwad named "ecorob"?

How do you know Ron won't support Gary? I have never heard Ron say anything bad about Gary and vice versa. GJ does want to end the fed and overturn legal tender laws. If that was the ONLY thing GJ supported then that would be good enough for me...fact is, GJ agrees with RP on about 95% of issues. Go ahead and vote for mitt you Fuckwad.

They won't allow GJ to debate but you think

they will allow him to become president? There are only 535 or 538 people (can't remember exactly) that submit the ONLY votes that matter. Those representatives are suppose to vote for the person that got the most votes in their district but they are NOT required to do so.

I still say not voting is the only way to let the criminals in DC know that we will not sanction an illegimate process. But for sure do what YOU think is best.

not voting

changes nothing. Its like sitting in a chair while someone beats you with a bat and you can just get up and walk away but dont. No one will know except you that you did not vote. Unless the polls are very explicitly rigged and your vote is changed is the only way voting can hurt. Writing in Dr. Paul or voting Johnson will send a message hopefully. The way it is now apathy is a politicians best friend with the media spoon feeding bias to everyone. Abstaining in voting on a convention floor is one thing. This is another.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Not voting makes rigging votes more difficult

The primary way they rig vote counts is by switching the votes of individuals who actually voted. It's far more difficult and much more risky to add individuals to the voter list (real or fake) than it is to change the votes of people who actually showed up and voted.

Not voting would send a strong message to the richest 1% of our nation that they no longer control us. It would show them that we have more respect for ourselves than to participate in a corrupt system. To vote when there is zero chance that anyone other than obama or romney will be elected sends the exact opposite message to the 1%. It will indicate to TPTB that "we the people" will continue, just like sheep, to keep supporting a rigged system.

If you were playing poker with several people and it had been proven beyond any reasonable doubt that 2 of the people playing were cheating and the dealer was also working with the 2 cheaters to make sure they won 9 out of every 10 hands...would you still keep playing? What if the dealer and the 2 cheaters told you before you even started they were going to cheat and you would only be allowed to win 1 hand out of 10...would you play at all?

That's their point

They want to convince people to not vote, so we can all continue to get beat. Most of them have been fooled into this ideology by Lew Rockwell, even though it requires ignoring what Ron Paul says.

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not voting does EVERYTHING!

it defeats romney!

see you in 2016...are you listening, yet, or do you want hitlery?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Not voting does nothing

Obviously

It's not just about

Getting him elected, that's just not going to happen, without exposure.
It's more about moving in a positive direction, and taking a stand against a corrupt system, for most I'd expect.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Ihope the write-in people will get it and vote GJ

Ron Paul would be proud. If we can just get enough RP support like through the primaries, we might have a shot. - But noooooo! Let's go write-in Ron Paul cause it will make us feel good - forget being part of a greater cause.

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if the write in people "get it"...

they will, most defiantely, NOT be voting for gitmo gary...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

No. I wont. No matter how

No. I wont.

No matter how much you beg, plead, insult, or intimidate....I'll vote my conscience.