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As Long as No Third Party Can Win, Why Not Jill Stein, Whose Anti-War Message is More Solid Than Johnson's

That's in the states where a combination of factors make it worthwhile to write-in Ron Paul: CA, WI, VT, NH, PA, RI, AL, IA, MO, ME, WV, ID, MT.

http://www.dailypaul.com/258475/looks-like-we-can-add-wv-id-...

Stein's a socialist, but if we are going to choose one message to send with crystal clarity why not the most important anti-war one? It's not as if any of them can win anyway.

War is life and death, hideou needless death. War is the parent of all other forms of tyranny.

Jill Stein is against any foreign intervention anywhere with the same consistency as Ron Paul. Not so Gary Johnson. In addition she wants to cut the Pentagon budget by 50%. http://www.jillstein.org/issues

Stein has also already qualified for federal matching funds. Building on that will hasten the end of the two party system. Johnson cannot get 5% and so he'll never qualify. Better to have one third party which keeps its qualification.

http://www.jillstein.org/funding



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Jill stein will prevent more wars.

The catch is that all citizens must turn over all property, land, and freedoms to the government, but at least you get free government education. Obama is better than that crazy lady.

It is an enormous simplification to speak of the American mind. Every American has his own mind.

~Ludwig von Mises

Jill Stein the Socialist?

Would you like a free phone with that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sY7_ZLcQAk

Sue, How can you be a Ron

Sue,
How can you be a Ron Paul supporter and post this? seriously. Stein is anti Ron Paul on every issue except the war issue. Come on.

Just say no

To socialism.

Socialists... while the THEORY is FABULOUS... never seem to ask themselves the question: Who is in charge of handing out all the free stuff?

While I support the FANTASY THEORY of socialism... since we truly are all "in it together" - in practice it just gives too much power to a tiny elite. There are too many examples of that in history to contradict this FACT.

Kudos though Sue for sticking your neck out in order to educate others - I see what you're trying to do.

I predict that 100 years from now - if we survive the next two or three - we will all be CONSENTING socialists as soon as we are all capable of governing ourselves. The thing is you cannot FORCE that education on others - they must be drawn to it themselves in their desire to become enlightened. Once enlightened they will realize we are all one... and harming anyone else sets the precedent that they can be harmed themselves.

I'm reminded of a time about a year ago - I ate some mushrooms (hadn't tripped in about 15 years) and I immediately went to work in solving all the world's problems. My mind was moving so quickly I was speaking in half sentences and then immediately moving onto the next subject. One thought was instantly giving me clues to the next... A friend who was just sitting there listening to me THINKING (at this point I had stopped talking my mind was moving so fast) and chuckling at the right times... it was pretty wild... he was actually reading my mind... at one point he said to me "Dude you switch gears so fast I can barely keep up!"

That proved to me that there is a spiritual connection between all of us. The 5 senses we use by default block out all of the higher senses we have and our ability to communicate with others on that level. This is the kind of enlightenment I'm talking about. Once you can know what I'm thinking and therefore be able to trust my intent - there will be no more war, violence, misery... etc... at that point we will be socialists by default.

Because nothing ELSE Jill Stein says makes any sense.

Jill Stein is a SOCIALIST.

Okay Helen4theBillofrights?

(WHEW! - Calling someone by the wrong first name as you did in your other post STILL cracks me up! It just doesn't get any funnier than YOU!)

Wow

Jill Stein people coming on here trying to win over Ron Paul people. That is hilarious! All you Stein campaign workers should stop wasting your time, because no Ron Paul supporter will vote for Jill Stein. I think even the Paul supporters who will never vote for Gary Johnson will agree with me when I say, that they would rather vote for GJ than even consider Jill Stein.

She just has a stick in her craw for Gary Johnson, when she can

remember his name. (She pretends to forget it and thinks thats hilarious.)

She isn't really a Jill Stein advocate.

Oh

One of those people that say "Gary who?", like it witty and hilarious? People like that just don't realize how ridiculous they look. It's sad really, I almost feel bad for them.

No - She takes hilarity to a whole new level by forgetting his

FIRST name!

"Gary who?" Is kids stuff.

She calls him (please brace yourself for laughs)..."TIM Johnson"!!!

This woman is FUNNY!

Why not Merlin Miller?

You seem to be missing the point. Even if the odds are overwhelming against a 3rd Party victory, a vote for Stein is a vote for a Socialist agenda to the left of Obama. Johnson has promised no undeclared wars and no military intervention. He said he would Letters of Marque and Reprisal in any instance where he felt the use of force was necessary to save lives.

I don't know about America,

but in New Zealand the Green Party is Communism in disguise.

Oh look

Jill Stein looks promising, but I found this great party that's also anti war. I think we should check it out. And maybe subscribe and donate while we're at it. Wouldn't it be awesome if we lived in a world where each could contribute according to his ability, and no one would be left in need?

http://www.cpusa.org/

I mean, that's second to the main issue we all care about. Fetus killing. That's what the future of this country rests on. If we save the fetuses, well then sir, that's going to do the trick, and we can all go home happy.

I know you're joking, but CP

I know you're joking, but CP USA is openly Stalinist. It's not anti-war whatsoever. They just give lip service to ending the CURRENT wars.

And by the way - I just clicked on the link to view the website

but I can't. And I have tried over and over again.

THAT I can't access the website, should worry us as much as (or more than) the Communist Party itself.

For the record - its openly Marxist/Leninist - not Stalinist.

There is a big difference.

I used to visit their

I used to visit their headquarters in person in Detroit. Believe me, I know the difference between Marxism and Stalinism. They are Stalinists, huge, and may mix a little Marxism into the mix. Trotsky was a Marxist, through and through, but CP USA is anti-Trotskyism and very pro-Stalin. Besides their own CP USA books, the biggest collection of books there are written by Stalin.

Key word is "openly" Stalinist.

I see nothing OPENLY Stalinist in any of their presentation online.

I think you might be openly paranoid.

For the longest time, until 1989 the CPUSA was funded by Moscow. Stalin had purged Trotsky entirely from the Soviet Communist Party (even having revolutionary paintings containing Trotsky repainted, with Trotsky taken out and Stalin painted in) as he did to Lenin except as a figurehead.

So it shouldn't be surprising that the library of works had mostly writings by Stalin.

But what we today consider to be Stalinistic is VERY repressive regimes including N.Korea under Kim Jong il. The CPUSA does not OPENLY advocate such repression.

And their headquarters is in New York.

I wasn't referring to their

I wasn't referring to their national headquarters, which is why I even mentioned Detroit at all. and I'm not quite sure why you think I'm paranoid...dear god, when will online disagreements exist without petty little insults.

I have had quite a few discussions with CP USA members, and it was pretty clear, they think the good guy is Stalin and NOT Trotsky. This particular bookstore has changed its location more than once recently. I would think if they aren't openly pro-Stalin, they would not move the entire collection of Stalin's books with them to their new stores and also not...openly...discuss it in a positive light.

Why Not?

Because she is a communist.

Did you not hear her say 'free' everything for everyone?

Good grief. Some of you Ron Paul people still amaze me. Do you forget what Dr P stands for?

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All the down votes....wow

As far as third party candidates go...I support Virgil Goode. I totally agree with the poster though....Jill Stein has the best foreign policy in the third party group...I would never dis anyone who voted for her....Her foreign policy is better than Goode or Johnson. True her liberalism prevents her from garnering my support, but I could never be disappointed if she won...She certainly is better than Romney or Obama, ten times more consistent than Johnson...she may spend spend like them but her foreign policy would probably boost the economy more than you would ever imagine.

Virgil Goode doesn't even know what's in the constitution.

He's against legalizing drugs. Nowhere in the constitution does it grant government the authority to regulate what people put into their bodies.

I really urge you to take

I really urge you to take another look at Virgil Goode. I won't tell you how to vote, but I believe that Virgil Goode's views are in direct conflict with Dr. Paul's, and the basic principles of our Constitution.

Some would argue Virgil Goode is even MORE authoritarian than Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 -- Not that I would ever recommend anyone base their views entirely on a simple graphic, it's a pretty good overview of the candidates.

Jill Stein would be a step in the right direction for our liberties and freedom. However, she wants to take our money at gunpoint in order to pay for free education and medical care for everyone.

Virgil Goode would be a very fiscally responsible and conservative person, who would probably bring a lot of sense to the spending in Washington. However, he wants to impose his morality at gunpoint. He believes you should go to jail for crimes that have no victims. He believes we should maintain the world's largest prison population and that initiating violence is sometimes necessary.

Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson believe in low to no taxation, being responsible with the nation's finances, rejecting the initiation of violence, and allowing people to be completely and utterly free unless they infringe on another's freedom. To me, these are all key points to the message of liberty.

Genius

Yes, everyone vote for Stein so the Green Party can meet the 5% threshold needed to qualify as a major party, and we can all rally behind Judge Napolitano for the Green Party nomination in 2016. Who knows maybe Jesse Ventura or Tom Woods could throw their hat in that ring as well, and we'll advance the message of individual liberty and smaller government by promoting the Green Party platform as the solution. Really, who wants to live in an America where Republicans and Libertarians make up 2/3rds of the electorate, when we can follow Sue's advice and move the country forward toward an America that is 2/3rds progressives and Democrats?

How impressive it will be if everyone supporting Johnson would follow your advise, votes for Stein, and Ron Paul loses to the Greens in a landslide, as well as Gary Johnson. I'm sickened that some of you would prefer Ron Paul and his message get smoked by the progressive platform on election day, if it meant the LP and CP candidates would finish dead last. When you are willing to throw your own sacred libertarian write-in candidate under the bus just to prevent balloted libertarian candidates from doing well, what does that say about you?

The next time you need help registering voters and gathering signatures to put a RepubliCAN on the ballot, or need help phone banking and canvassing, or need to request a Republican campaign donation, you make sure to call on them Greens you're endorsing. I'm sure they'll respond to the call with the same level of support and vigor that you RepubliCANs received from libertarians and constitutionalists in 3 Paul campaigns over the past 5 years.

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Fuck you dude, you broke my

Fuck you dude, you broke my sarcasmometer.

Judge?

What makes you all think Judge Nap would get involved with the communist green party (party of Gorbachev) ?????

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

My point

exactly.

DISCLAIMER:
http://youtu.be/2n34eeXWjUQ

Fancy Shmancy Fine Print:
http://youtu.be/plIH98Kxu58

Nice try.

She seems very likable and she is a great communicator. I like her positions on peace and ending ALL the wars, but that's about it. She's on the opposite end of the spectrum, compared to Libertarians, on social and economic issues. GJ is the only logical choice to any clear thinking lover of freedom.

Grasping in the wrong direction lol

Dont let the disappointing feelings about Dr Paul lead you to a place because of one issue. Granted, it is a large issue but since her stances lean so socialist you can bet any good that she may believe in will be watered down to obamas level. Especially if house/senate stay relatively the same.

She does have some good plans, not completely bashing her. This is probably one of the best which ive heard no one else speak of.

"Renegotiate NAFTA and other "free trade'' agreements that export American jobs, depress wages, and undermine the sovereign right of Americans and citizens of other countries to control their own economy."

personally, I feel the only "flaw" to free market is related to this and the ineffective way tariffs are used or are too slow to be put in place which stifle manufacturing here. The negative side of the market, when cheap low grade products keep flooding the store shelves and keep putting quality made businesses out to dry.

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I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

free-trade versus protectionism

I feel the only "flaw" to free market is related to this and the ineffective way tariffs are used or are too slow to be put in place which stifle manufacturing here. The negative side of the market, when cheap low grade products keep flooding the store shelves and keep putting quality made businesses out to dry.

There are two sides to that coin. Yes, inefficient domestic firms may go out of business under pressure from foreign competitors, who can produce cheaper products; but domestic consumers get to enjoy lower prices. The bottom line is that protectionism is about benefiting select domestic companies at the expense of domestic consumers. Moreover, protectionism goes hand in hand with cartels. For example, the pharmaceutical cartel works by stifling its competitors, which allows it raise prices above market levels. It can stifle domestic competitors using the FDA and related government entities/laws, but it needs tariffs or other protectionist measures to stifle foreign competition. The end-result is ill-gotten profits for these politically connected companies, and higher prices for American consumers.

There's a famous saying (can't recall the author) that "the tariff is the mother of trusts (i.e. cartels)," and usually the prime political force behind protectionism is, surprise surprise, inefficient firms who can't hack it in the free market (US Steel, e.g.), and who want to tax foreign competition out of the market, so they can inflict their inferior and/or higher-priced products on the American consumer.

Protectionism is a racket, just another form of State intervention in the economy for the benefit of cronies: though of course they dress it up as something in the public interest, as they do with every economic intervention.

Free trade is a basic principle of libertarianism, if you don't believe in free trade, you really don't believe in the free market at all. I suggest some further reading, try browsing the literature section at www.mises.org

A good place to start would be Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson"
http://library.mises.org/books/Henry%20Hazlitt/Economics%20i...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

She's a socialist!

Read her platform...

http://www.jillstein.org/issues

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien