7 votes

SOLVED!>When Is The Last Time The Gop Had Competing Nominating Speeches At The RNC?

As in what year? Does anyone have any links to the speeches? or old newsreels of this ??

How did the voting go down?? (as in what was the outcome of the first ballot that year?

THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT!!

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

In '76 there were nominating

In '76 there were nominating speeches and floor demonstrations for both Ford and Reagan.

I thought so! Do you have any evidence that shows this:?

I cant find any, anywhere? (I mean if you were there, then that's kinda evidence...but I was hoping for video, etc)

Its a start

Sen. Paul Laxalt gave the nominating speech for Reagan in '76.
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/760820conv...

FINALLY!! THANKS BOB!

It seems that Reagan never spoke to the delegates for his nominating speech. I wonder why? Were surrogates popular back then?

and apparently there was a seconding speech as well for Reagan.

Well if there is any video footage of that speech, that would be great, otherwise thanks for find ing this information.

You're Welcome

The candidate only speaks before the vote if he's pulling out. Think about it Romney didn't speak at the convention until after he was the nominee.
In fact its traditional for the candidate not to appear at the convention before the vote.

Really?? In 1964 there were competing speeches

between Goldwater and Rockefeller , as they were both nominated.(wasn't there?) However your saying that when a person is nominated, they don't give their own speech, typically?

Then when Ron Paul was Nominated, he was to have someone else give his nominating speech? and/or a seconding speech?

The rules both in 1976 and in 2012 state that a candidate is allowed 15 min to address the delegates. (does that mean they can choose whomever they want to give that speech? or they can give it themselves?)

I did wonder that about Romney, but I figured he did not give a speech since he was "allegedly" the only one on the ballot. He had I don't know how many people speak before him,..and Im sure one or more counted as his nominating speech.

I got involved/interested in

I got involved/interested in politics in '68. My GUESS is Rockefeller's '64 speech was not a nominating speech. http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/640716conv...
The above says that Scranton, not Rockefeller, was Goldwater's main opponent at the convention. I'll keep trying to find out the purpose of Rockefeller's speech. Maybe, it was to release his delegates?
With Paul if he worked at a deal with Romney to speak it would have been to release his delegates. I thought the most likely deal was that Paul's name would have been entered for the nomination, then there would have been a floor demonstration for Paul (his delegates marching around the hall waving Paul sign's while the campaign's anthem played over the loud speakers) then Paul would have given his speech. Near the end of his speech Paul would have told his supporters to fight on for the cause. "The future is ours! But today is not our time. Therefore, I'm releasing my delegates and urge all my supporters to fight on for the conservative cause, to FIGHT ON FOR LIBERTY!" And the hall would have gone wild!(Hey, I can dream.) But Romney insisted on an endorsement that Paul couldn't/wouldn't give. IF the rules hadn't changed and Paul's name had been entered with the thought of forcing a vote for the nomination then, someone else would have given a nominating speech and either one or two seconding speeches.
I don't think a candidate has ever given his own nominating speech or seconding speech.

I see you mention the rules change at the end of your post....

HERE'S THE THING HE DID LEGALLY GET NOMINATED !!! AND THERE IS OVERWHELMING PROOF!!

A lot of people misunderstand the rule change, and think that is the reason he was not "allowed the nomination" but the new rules for 8 states was not ratified until Tuesday evening when they did the vote.

HE WAS NOMINATED AT APROX. 330 PM!! on the floor, under the old rules. ( I mean how can new rules affect something that have not even been passed yet?)
Therefore his 6 state delegation that was submitted, was accepted by the Secretary of the Floor , in a timely fashion. She was quoted as saying it was so. and also she said that the delegation papers were correct and in right order.

Now who would choose his nominating speech? One of the delegates who submitted the paperwork? (I assume?) and the same for the seconding speeches also?

Conventions can agree to any

Conventions can agree to any rules they like so I'd have to read the rule language to see if they carried it out correctly. In the long run it doesn't make a difference Romney had more than enough votes to win the nomination.
As for Paul's nominating speeches; I would have chosen members of Congress who had endorsed Paul. I know there was a member of the banking committee who endorsed him (I can't remember his name) and I'm sure a Senator or 2 also endorsed him. My idea would have been to make him acceptable to main stream Republicans because in the end they're the ones that we need to take over the party.

Give me a few days I'll see

Give me a few days I'll see what I can find.

Does anyone know who the RNc chair was in 1976? and is he stil

alive??

or how about 1964? is he still alive also?

.

.

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Who Knows Of Competing *Nominating* Speeches At '76 Convention?

Anyone?

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I bet Doug Weed would know.. any idea how to get in touch w/him?

he probably was there, well of course Ron Paul was there too. (as a delegate)

Great Idea

dougwead@aol.com

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

ok contacted him....

but he doesn't know. He said he would research it a bit. (I guess he wasn't there in 1976?) So perhaps he will find something.

Great

Please let us know what he finds (if anything).

Kind of him to look into the matter.

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

yes sent email in the middle of the night, and he got back to me

first thing this morning! Hope he find out something. Who else ..would know? Rand Paul was like 12 or so.. I could call his office. he may know. (of course RP was there. he may know too)

Competing Speeches In 1964

Goldwater and Rockefeller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUgmZ3GI4D0

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

thanks for that

I wonder if there were competing speeches in 1976 were they video taped? (I ve seen the one where he spoke at the end of the convention)

Or it may be that someone else gave his nominating speech? like a surrogate? I cant find any other documentation, unless I can find someone who actually was there.

1976

Ron Paul was a delegate for Ronald Reagan, who ended up narrowly losing to Gerald Ford. Ford won on the first ballot, but it was not a given that he would do so heading into the convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Republican_National_Conven...

Notice Reagan uses no teleprompter:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4518663/reagans-1976-republican-c...

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

his speech here is one that was given at the end of the

convention.( by Fords invitation)

Didn't he give one during the convention? His 15 minute nominating speech? As he was nominated , wasn't he allowed to speak to the delegates before they voted for someone?

oh this is great stuff!! This is what I suspected...

so in 1980 ,there were no other contenders? (as in on the ballot or nominated at the convention?) If not, then RR was the only nominating speech given?

also, how many people were nominated and gave speeches in 1976? just RR and ford?

Per The Suggestion Above

Perhaps you should ask Doug Wead, expert on the history of the presidency: dougwead@aol.com

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I Don't Believe There Were

But someone else might know for certain.

Keep in mind that Reagan gave the speech above, at Ford's invitation, only after Ford had already secured the nomination. I don't believe they gave competing speeches from the convention floor in an effort to sway delegates.

But, again, someone else here might know for certain.

___________________________________________________________________________
"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

This is odd... he should have given a 15 min speech??

According to the rules in 1972 he was entitled to give one.

Rule No. 16

Nominations

(c) The total time of the nominating speech and seconding speeches for any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States shall not exceed fifteen (15) minutes.

http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/POLITICALMACHINES/Republican...

Am I missing something?? or did the GOP break its own rules then also??