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I want to personally thank a certain member of the DP

Hey guys, we all claim to be 'independently minded', yet, it seems that the DP is plagued with a hostile zeitgiest as of late toward a certain member.

I have taken a sabbatical to concentrate on my studies for the ministry, however, I come on time to time to read arguments usually from my Android at work.

There is someone on here who is super brave and deserves at the very least our respect. That person is: The Granger. I too have had personal disagreements with her in the past, but never was I vicious, rude or condescending in my very minor disagreements with her.

She is someone who is especially brave who advocates her positions with no apologies. She is uncompromising and truthful about her intentions. She of course also has the requisite background needed to be a Ron Paul supporter. In light of all of this, there are many who pounce on her even as they make similar arguments for their preferred choice in moving the ball forward.

I advocate to not knee-jerk down vote her. Also, do not respond unless you have something of substance to say. No stupid slogans or mottos that end up taking away all the thinking and also detract from her main points.

The Granger is a very welcomed member of the DP community, as all members are. I love and support her in her efforts. We should do the same as we all have the same goal.

If we are champions of peace, should we not make peace with our brothers and sisters on our side first before we challenge the Power-Elite? This is something central to our cause.

Any who, you can now return back to your daily scheduled programing of mainstream media lies, cover ups, distortions, distractions and of course something the mainstream will never talk about... the Truth.

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Wrong topic.


We're taking over the GOP

Granger's been on here 5 years, while I've been on here for just over 4. Maybe it's because we went through 2008 together.

Many of the folks I see typing in opposition to her are 5, 7, and 10 months on this site. They're probably like we were back in '08, thinking we could change things by voting 3rd party, being really loud or all over the internet, etc. We learned our lesson and are now doing something that actually makes a difference.

I'm not sure why she feels the need to vote for Romney. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. But taking over the GOP is definitely the way to go. Anyone who's been at this awhile should be saying that.

They're not typing "in opposition" they are typing THEIR opinion

Granger is certainly entitled to an opinion, but so is everyone else.
I have been here since November 2007 - I started with a different username. I sat on the county and state central committees, went to the RNC as a Ron Paul bound delegate only to be stabbed in the back by Ron's campaign staff.
I did not "give up" I grew up - I realized that the entire process is corrupt, right from the notion that one man or a set of men do not deserve to rule other men, no matter how many people vote for them. I realized that my liberty is up to me, I have all the rights I have the nerve to claim, and lose all the rights I voluntarily surrender to (corrupt) authorities.
The funny thing is I have noticed how many "old timers" have come to similar conclusions and I suspect that after you and Granger beat your head against the brick wall known as "The GOP" for a while, you will come around to our way of thinking.
Here's the thing - I refuse to let anyone, including you, Granger or even Ron Paul, make moral or healthcare decisions for me and I want no part of forcing my choices on others. "Neither a borrower nor a lender be...." It applies to "Neither a politician nor a voter be" too.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

re - no Usury.

+1. you quoted Shakespeare's = ["Neither a borrower nor a lender be"; For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.]

He should have written = "U$ury dulls the edge of husbandry".

* Lending gratis is a virtue, an aid to the needy.

* People borrow because of need, greed, or ignorance of consequence, = the increasing debt = when interest is added, = usury.

* Usury strains the mind & heart, gives stress, drains human energy.

it won't make a difference

to vote for and, thereby, support the establishment scum that represents all that is wrong with politics in the U.S.

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The Daily Granger

I think we should just go full on and re-dedicate the forum to call it 'The Daily Granger' or maybe make it a forum topic choice. (sarc)

She can do what she wants, as we are all free to do, but it's getting quite repetitive and ridicuculous IMHO.

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

The Daily Granger

LOL That's funny.

The Daily Granger

The Daily Legalize Liberty The Daily Gary Johnson it doesn't matter. All just a bunch of ego starving jerks trying for the ultimate circle jerk thread to cause chaos here.

Fools the lot of you because overall you all cause more bad than good and you know it's true.If you had an common sense you would just disappear.

But you like causing confusion dontcha?

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

My ego is not starving

I am makiung a stand for those of us who joined the GOP, became national delegates, even if ewe did not, go to Tampa because Romney won the state, and took committee seats and are running for offices in the GOP. Many people here have issues with the GOP, and I understand that, but much of it is based on their ideas, not their experience, so I offer my experience. If that ruffels feathers, that's their problem. No one ruffles my feathers here.. I actually learn from many, as learning is what I do best here.


I may not agree with you, but you are one tough cookie Granger. Good for you standing up for yourself and what you believe in.

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O'm human, I err, so I do not fear being wrong, but more I fear being right and not saying anything.

I hope it comes to no suprize when many here find that we are changing the GOP, and then they wished they would have joined earlier and been in the good fight.. but they will come when it's easier.. and that's ok too.


It shocks me that anyone could NOT see it that way. We're having a blast taking over our state GOP. It's rather gratifying after all they did to us.

There are those who think change will come from typing on their computers. Then there's the rest of us.

I am heartened to see

So much positivism on this post. Really it is great. I feed off of the energy of the group. That is just how I am. If the energy is negative, I get bitter and angry.

Though, there is some bitterness and anger, it is the usual suspects at work stirring stuff up. I now know who they are, been knowing for the most part, but now I know how black their hearts really are.

Someone said voting for Romney is an endorsement and a sin, well it is not a 'sin' to vote for Romney. Granger is doing this to gain better leverage in the Republican Party. She has to taint her virgin white clothes to do so. Big deal. My understanding of things is simple, keep true to what you know. Work in whatever way you can. If you best work from without, do so. Granger can work from within and be our bridge builder. Ron Paul was an excellent bridge builder.

Many on here wish to create their ideological faction (probably complete with a faction logo like an Autobot or Decepticon logo). Resist these factionalistic people. They wish to misuse your knowledge. Fighting with Granger is not going to solve 2012. I do not know why people are so hellbent on tearing everyone else down.

There was a thank you for all these wonderful groups and people, yet no one is thanking people in the Republican Party for their support and the access they provide for us. No longer are we barbarians at the gate.

I am a rebel, and if the rebels become tyrants, it is time to rebel against the rebels.

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Of course we have to be

Of course we have to be (IMO).

I mean :

if we can't do our best to remain positive especially before, consciously, the hard times ahead of us, getting closer and closer, and still with much uncertainty in many of their ugly details...

... well, then I don't know when we ought to ever be.

No ?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius


I like to think of our attack as a two pronged approach. Each as legitimate as the next though the two might chaffe from time to time... this is to be expected given the nature of humans.

Many on here want power just as much as the statist do. They want to flake Granger's support off, to marginalize her. They think that a flood of down votes on ANYTHING she posts will sure show everyone that no one likes her. This is of course the furthest from the truth.

The real truth is that most do support her as evidenced by the up votes. She might be into misspelling EVERYTHING nearly to the point of incomprehensibility (sometimes for me), but I have seen many of her detractors use this to attack her. I think that shows the character of her opponents.

Like I said, I disagree with her on some things, BUT those things are ultimately very minor in the grand scheme of things. Her vote for Romney does not change her character. She is doing it because she has too. It is her sacrifice. Instead of seeing it that way, the members of the DP are casting stones at her. This is most unfortunate.

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You know who I want to thank...

All of the Ron Paul delegates that were in Tampa that worked and followed the rules and were Cheated...

I want to thank everyone here who donated and phone banked to help Ron Paul get elected.

I want to thank everyone here who is not folding the the pressures that the mass media is forcing us to choose between the lesser of two evils.

I want to thank the veterans and active duty military that stood up for a foreign policy that makes sense by donating and marching for Ron Paul.

I want to thank Ben Swann who has been the lone voice of truth in the wilderness of disinformation that the MSM has constantly fed the country.

I want to thank Michael Nystrom, for making such a powerful grassroots community where we can all exchange ideas and learn from one another.

These people are the ones that truly deserve thanks IMHO...

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

So Granger's work

needs not be thanked? That is mighty selfish of you.

I am glad you have such a superior pedestal than us.

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I never said not to thank her...

But there are many other people who are on central committees and are not chastising everyone who does not vote for Romney. She does deserve thanks for the work she is doing to get Liberty Candidates elected as I've told her many times, and so are many others on here. I think it's selfish for you to single out Granger as if her work is more important than any of theirs...

Frankly, I think Michael Nystrom has done more for the cause of liberty and advancing Ron Paul's message than Granger for one...

She deserves praise for her work but so do the rest of the people here.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I agree

and I want to especially thank all of the above who stayed in the GOP DESPITE the fraud, shenannigans, lies, cheating and theft because we didn't expect a fair fight, but we're in for a good fight: To Restore The Republic!

I agree stay in the GOP...

Help get local and state Liberty Candidates elected and purge the GOP of the Neocon cancer... But none of that has anything to do with voting Rommey.

Romney would be the greatest threat to Liberty and Freedom in this country that we've ever seen...

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

The reason

I do not agree with your perspective on Romney is that I know there are Ron Paul Republican in the GOP and we're not going to sit there and do nothing. He had us held to loyalty oaths.. and so we'll hold him to the loyalty oath of the constitution. The more in the GOP to help, the better.

How exactly...

Please tell me how in detail would you stop Romney from using executive orders from stripping away rights and starting WW3... When that is exactly what he is hoping to do.

Do you honestly believe the Republican Party would EVER for any reason bring up charges against Romney or work to impeach him?? Come on Granger, you know he is executing the Neocon agenda... They despise freedom and liberty. Do you think they would even attempt to sponsor a different candidate in 2016 for reelection if he were to win now?

So tell me how are you specifically going to stop him from abusing his power, especially when he will be executing the plan of the GOP establishment...

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

He doesn't have the neocon support

He has some, but the Neocons have no new blood. we are the new blood, and there's no youngblood neocon competititon.. so their plan is failing because they are not attracting youth into the party.. Ron Paul did.. and they have to pay attention, because they already alarme4d the GOP with what happened at the RNC with Ron Paul..

Romney is going to be facing a GOP that wants to restore the republic.. I think we're going to make history as his own party moves to impeach him.. least we forget the RNC.

That post proves unfortunately, that you are living in denial

and choose to not see the facts... Karl Rove is practically running his campaign for god sakes..

I still like you Granger, but you are not seeing reality.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I's appreciate any links

I'll know more from an insider perspewctive later this week.. until then.. I'm not seeing anything from, by, of, them to the GOP concerning Romney.

Also still waiting for the detailed plan

On how you plan to stop Romney from executing executive orders and if he does how you you will impeach him.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I don't have a detailed plan

I have a goal, To Restore the Republic, to constitutional government. The plan has been to bring a rEVOLution to the GOP with republiCANs who will participate, learn, work, show up to meetings and events, and restoring a government protecting our bill of rights.

The way I see it, the Neocons hold us to a loyalty oath to the party, they've lied, cheated, stole, to force a win.. These guys have definately lost their way, had to cheat, with the help of MSM, to win. But on the other hand, now the GOP who is interested in constitutional government because all the new tea party, Earthquakers, Constitutionalists all have that in common with us.

So, I believe, it's only a matter of time, and resolution will start to get writen, and since Rand Paul is very good at getting our voice heard.. so I think the golden rule, "blowback" is fair, because the best part, is we're not in this for personal profit, but for liberty from slavery debt, massive government, and wars.

Anti War?

The Earthquakers and Neo-TeaParty people are equally warmongering as the Neocons. They believe we are fighting a holy war in the middle east and we need to blow everything that's not Christian off the face of the planet.

So without a plan, you are left holding on to "hope" that the GOP will just correct Romney? They couldn't even stop the fraud in Tamapa! lol

We have to stay involved in the GOP, but we can't give Romney the White House with a GOP majority congress. It actually makes more sense to continue to block Obama for the next 4 years and get continue to take over local and state offices. Then we can have a Liberty candidate elected in 2016.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

I'm anti-war

and that will take more time that going by the constitution. I really think Obama needs to go, and Romney can do better, while we continue to grow and restore the republic,

I know you're Antiwar but your Neocon buddies aren't...

I'm lumping the Neo-TeaPartiers, Earthquakers, and Ultra Religious Conservatives in the term Neo-con as well as they are basically all following the same agenda with very little differences....

There is no proof anywhere that Romney would be any better than Obama in any way. You should continue to fight the good fight to get liberty candidates elected at the state and local level, but Romney is a no-go.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.