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I want to personally thank a certain member of the DP

Hey guys, we all claim to be 'independently minded', yet, it seems that the DP is plagued with a hostile zeitgiest as of late toward a certain member.

I have taken a sabbatical to concentrate on my studies for the ministry, however, I come on time to time to read arguments usually from my Android at work.

There is someone on here who is super brave and deserves at the very least our respect. That person is: The Granger. I too have had personal disagreements with her in the past, but never was I vicious, rude or condescending in my very minor disagreements with her.

She is someone who is especially brave who advocates her positions with no apologies. She is uncompromising and truthful about her intentions. She of course also has the requisite background needed to be a Ron Paul supporter. In light of all of this, there are many who pounce on her even as they make similar arguments for their preferred choice in moving the ball forward.

I advocate to not knee-jerk down vote her. Also, do not respond unless you have something of substance to say. No stupid slogans or mottos that end up taking away all the thinking and also detract from her main points.

The Granger is a very welcomed member of the DP community, as all members are. I love and support her in her efforts. We should do the same as we all have the same goal.

If we are champions of peace, should we not make peace with our brothers and sisters on our side first before we challenge the Power-Elite? This is something central to our cause.

Any who, you can now return back to your daily scheduled programing of mainstream media lies, cover ups, distortions, distractions and of course something the mainstream will never talk about... the Truth.

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I meant you granger and you still hav'nt answered the ?

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BAZZA MAC

I have never been to Israel

I would like to go to Israel.

I have no idea what Mitt will do, I am not going to guess, I'm going to continue to work within the GOP to restore constitutional government. I have no opinion on what Israel should do.

porky pies

your opinion was that Israel should attack Iran before the election which makes me wonder what your real political agenda is.

BAZZA MAC

No, I have no opinion

I'm concerned with America, not Israel and Iran. I would hope there is a way for peace. I don't know.

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You should have an opinion. Your candidate Romney loves Israel

"While Obama's relationship with Netanyahu has been strained, Romney has known the Israeli leader since the 1970s. The Romney campaign has said he will be a staunch supporter of Israel if elected."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/15/daily-beast-colum...

It's not about Romney

Ron Paul gave us a message Restore the Republic, he chose the battleground, the GOP. We lost the nomination, so who is our candidate is no longer an issue.. Mitt does not stop us.. it is us to up to stop Mitt,, and trhe only way I see that being done is in the GOP.

stop Mitt! I agree.

I utterly fail to see how Mitt will be stopped if we vote for him despite his opposition to everything we stand for. Considering his personality, all that can ever be achieved with Romney is for him to make a libertarian-sounding noise every once in a while, while continuing his agenda of serving our enemies. A Romney win would be a disaster for us, as 2016 would be even more difficult. Victorious neocons will be further emboldened to screw over the grass roots, since there is no price to pay. A vote for Romney is an endorsement of his entire agenda, including the assaults, the arrests, the vote fraud, and the teleprompter vote at the convention. I understand that you are keeping a promise, and I can respect that, but you can't seriously expect most of us do do what Ron Paul has said he will NOT do. Mitt Romney very dearly wants to stop us, and the only way he will fail is if he loses. The neocons did the same thing to Goldwater in 64, and that led directly to Nixon's victory in 68. Your personal achievements are admirable, and I hope that you can use your position to further liberty within the shattered, defeated GOP.

I'm not expecting anything

People can only do what they are motivated to do and many are not motivated to join a party that does not represent them. For many of us in the rEVOLution, there are no choices.. we must become the Republic we want to have. It's not going to happen overnight or by the next election. There are many layers to this matrix.

Romney wins, he could have a rebellion from within beased on committees voting NO on unconstitutional wars, domentic and international, Rand Paul is a Senator.. we need more.

The GOP has things good and bad, and many are focused on the bad, but that should not take our eyes off the prize and what is good. This isn't a small feat accomplished in one election.. this is a process and we have al lot of work in front of us, for the next two years and beyond.. so when the election is over, GJ goes back to the GOP, write-in Ron Paul gets a YouTube with 176 votes.. then what?

Check out your local GOP. You don't have to stay.. just check it out. That's all I'm asking.. you may bee a few Ron Paul Republicans there in action. See for yourself.

You're probaly granger.

I notice the constant "Granger is great" threads.. That's the kind of slimy crap she'd pull.

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If Granger were a man

living in Illinois and had a beard. Yeah.

I have some videos of me floating on the DP.

You caught me. I am totally the Granger. You get a cookie for solving one of the lesser conspiracies of the liberty movement.

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I would not be surprised in the least.

I would not be surprised in the least.

No One at The Daily Paul is more Pro G.O.P. and Anti-Ron Paul.

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granger brings nothing of value

sometimes she makes some sense, but she constantly contradicts herself and lies to try and win an argument. that, to me, negates the slight amount of sensible things she says. she is demeaning to others, calls people names, embelishes her own exploits, speaks in a tyrannical tone, and is generally boorish.

on top of all that, she advocates dumping all principles of liberty in order to vote for the establishment.

her main argument (a romney win empowers Ron Paul republicans) is oxymoronic to anyone that understands what the liberty movement is all about.

like most here, i don't think she should be silenced, even though it would please me personally, but i think it is silly to ask others to let her demean them, call them names, and promote a cause that is the opposite of what most people on DP are against without getting the type of feedback that she gets.

she definitely gets more downvotes than anyone i've seen on here, and that's because she deserves them.

She gets respect she deserves

"Let's be real. We're not on the same team. We never have been." -The Granger

Rothbard said the same thing

is he to be disrespected.

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You'll have to be more

You'll have to be more specific.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LKiUZ7E43g&feature=player_em...

Jack is right, even if I disagree with him being hateful. There are many of us on the Daily Paul who just do not want to win.

Granger is not among them.

You tend to be.

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that's what makes real patriots sick

people that just want to win. screw principle, screw right or wrong, screw the people you are supposed to be in agreement with...they just wanna win.

if that means they have to shill for the scummiest of scumbags, they'll do it because they wanna win.

i would rather loose all day if it means i don't have to lick the boots of the establishment republitards.

when i win, it's because my principles were upheld...when people win that don't care about principle, it's because they lied, cheated, manipulated, broke bones, and couldn't care less about humanity in general.

Thank you... & you.... & you as well... Let me concentrate.

It is the the higher life forms... The microbes. The bugs. The fish & fowl. The animals, save one. It is that lowest form... Man... that troubles me. My only critics come from that species. The only form that through rhetoric, leaves me described as braggadocio. Vain. Sacrilegious. Need they go on?

Fortunately, I have faith in the higher forms. They sustain me in my times of need.

If ever you find yourself in times of plenty, a crowd of men will gather round you to share what they feel is rightfully theirs. When crowds gather around me, I sell or give away books.... In this way, ideas spread... Leaving us all richer.

Let us celebrate the wisdom & integrity of Ron Paul. Let us nourish the seeds of liberty.

Best wishes to all that read this (Let the others be as they were.).

Yours,

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Personal statement from Granger's account:

"I never thought I'd be a Republican, but now that I'm a Ron Paul Republican, I've never felt better politically."

Response:

Yes, you are a 100%, dyed-in-the-wool republican (the word republican is NOT capitalized, btw. The word is capitalized only when used with party as when saying the Republican Party.)

Do republicans follow the Constitution? NO
Do republicans vote to continue foreign aid? YES
Do republicans continue to fund undeclared wars of aggression? YES
Do republicans balance budgets and seek small government? NO
Will Ron Paul republicans vote for Romney? NO
Ron Paul has said repeatedly: "The republicans have lost their way."
Ron Paul has neither endorsed nor does he support Romney.

I still have hope for you to someday see the reality of the Republican Party. Playing the game of politics is one thing, but to embraced what this despicable party represents is quite another.

SteveMT

Ron Paul was a participant in the Party called Republican. The reason Granger is participating is BECAUSE the replicans have lost their way.

She doesn't embrace what the Republican Party

currently represents. The reasons we're Republicans (well, at least, those of us who will ever accomplish anything legislatively for the cause of liberty) isn't because we endorse the current Republican Party, but, because we need one of the two major parties to implement our legislative goals and the Socialist Democratic Party is not available.

I knew who you were referring

I knew who you were referring to from the first sentence.

Thanks for making this thread. I definitely disagree with The Granger on her vote, but all this talk about her being a pawn or a troll isn't what the Daily Paul should be taking part in.

The Granger has done more for Ron Paul than most of the people on here, and she deserves our respect. Live and let live

I think what Granger is doing

I think what Granger is doing is right.. but voting for Romney is just wrong.

Sorry

I'm not seeing how voting for corrupt cheater Mitt Romney, the man who blackmailed and stole the nomination from Dr Paul is conducive to eradicating tyranny.
But then, Mitt said the Paulites would vote for him (no matter how he treated us or Dr Paul) and the Granger is doing as she is told by her GOP masters.

AllPaul

Granger is going to cast a single vote toward Romney. Do you actually think she wants to vote for Romney? Do you not think she is disgusted by the GOP activites at the RNC? Can you imagine having your ballot "reviewed by someone else, as if it is their business?"

Granger has spent countless hours and dollars driving and attending meetings to promote Ron Paul. I doubt that single vote is going to be a drop in the bucket compared to the influence she has in her committee seat. I can guarantee she has more influence than I do because I have done nothing politically except vote. Why not ask Granger what kind of progress she has made?

Let me get this straight

Are you saying they can review her supposedly "Anonymous" ballot for the general election?
Isn't that "illegal"?

Find Granger and Ask Her

That is exactly right. Find her and ask her how it works. You would think it would be illegal...and it should be...no one should tell anyone how to vote and then monitor their vote. But from what I understand from listening to Granger is that she had to sign a loyalty oath and her vote will be monitored. Let her explain it to you.

Progress??

Legitimizing Rombamas theft? Even Dr Paul won't vote for him. I guess the Granger is a better Republican and more honorable than the man I follow, Ron Paul. She can follow Rombama.

Yes, Progress

AllPaul, I do not think she is following Rombama. I think she is doing what she has to do to keep her seat in the GOP. She is working to change the party from the inside out. Can you imagine a GOP when there are more Liberty Minded people than Tyrants? Did you see who was the head of the GOP for Minnesota? Did you hear what she said at the RNC?

What if Granger makes it to the head of the GOP in California, or what if she is able to support another liberty minded individual to the head of the GOP in California?

What if Granger is the one in California that makes the difference where the vote becomes 49 to 51 in favor of Liberty?

If keeping her seat means she sells her

soul and endorses evil what is it worth? The National GOP will just replace their delegates. I'll follow Dr Paul and his example and she can follow the dictates of the corrupt party bosses.