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I want to personally thank a certain member of the DP

Hey guys, we all claim to be 'independently minded', yet, it seems that the DP is plagued with a hostile zeitgiest as of late toward a certain member.

I have taken a sabbatical to concentrate on my studies for the ministry, however, I come on time to time to read arguments usually from my Android at work.

There is someone on here who is super brave and deserves at the very least our respect. That person is: The Granger. I too have had personal disagreements with her in the past, but never was I vicious, rude or condescending in my very minor disagreements with her.

She is someone who is especially brave who advocates her positions with no apologies. She is uncompromising and truthful about her intentions. She of course also has the requisite background needed to be a Ron Paul supporter. In light of all of this, there are many who pounce on her even as they make similar arguments for their preferred choice in moving the ball forward.

I advocate to not knee-jerk down vote her. Also, do not respond unless you have something of substance to say. No stupid slogans or mottos that end up taking away all the thinking and also detract from her main points.

The Granger is a very welcomed member of the DP community, as all members are. I love and support her in her efforts. We should do the same as we all have the same goal.

If we are champions of peace, should we not make peace with our brothers and sisters on our side first before we challenge the Power-Elite? This is something central to our cause.

Any who, you can now return back to your daily scheduled programing of mainstream media lies, cover ups, distortions, distractions and of course something the mainstream will never talk about... the Truth.



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Dr. Paul’s example,

if I remember and understand right, is to do what you want to do to make a difference. I am pretty sure Dr. Paul has said I cannot tell you what to do. I do not think Dr. Paul would be pointing his finger at her and condemning her actions. I certainly have not heard him renounce his son. If people do not do what Granger is doing Liberty will never BE the National GOP.

Have you asked Granger what kind of difference she has made so far with her committee seat?

Have you ever considered what kind of grief Granger would have saved herself if she never said how she HAS to vote?

My goodness when I think of all the downright foolish votes I have cast my WHOLE life it makes me sick. I have voted for the GOP president my WHOLE voting life...out of stupidity. Now I will not, so what if Granger is doing what she has to do for the sake of change?

Do you pay taxes? If so you paid for the RNC in Tampa as well as the Democrat's party. That makes me more sick than the fact Granger is forced to vote publicly as well as sign a pledge. It is extortion on both counts...our taxes...Granger's ballot. Someday if we ever live in Liberty those things will not be. Until then...Godspeed Granger.

Voting for Romney

the lying, cheating blackmailer is supporting him, no matter for WHAT reason. Again, I'll follow Dr Pauls example. Granger can support the crook Romney, if she can stomach it.

Yes your words about Romney

Yes your words about Romney and his campaign are exactly right. It was demonstrated out in the open at Tampa. However, can you fight fire with fire? Granger is working to achieve this from the inside: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2788084 Fire against Fire works to consume fuel before the wild fire can get to the fuel. Granger is a "controlled burn" against a wild fire blazing against Liberty.

Yes, let's follow Dr. Paul's

Yes, let's follow Dr. Paul's example and treat Granger the way he treats his own son.

Again, sorry. Embracing the crook Romney

so I can be seen as a good GOP toadie (assuming she's really not a Neocon plant) is not an option for me. If others can, that's on them. I'd sooner poke a stick in my eye.
And if that means I am "mistreating" the Romney supporter Granger, too bad.

my soul

Ron Paul's message being materialized in the GOP is my mission. It's not about Romney, the RNC, MSM, Obama, GJ, or even Ron Paul. Ot is about RESTORING AMERICA TO CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT, where our government protects our Bill of Rights, and does not become our bill of right. Fight or flight?

Ron paul chose the GOP and he never said it was going to be a peoce of cake. It's a good fight. Showing up is half the battle. Many here took flight, blamed everyone and everything they could, and began campaigning for other candidates, in the names of integrity, but they abandoned us, condemn us, blame us, accuse us, chastise, insult,, and never give a solution.

So you need to do what you want. Ron paul has a message, and folks like me what that message to become reality. It's not easy, but it's not hard either. It's not about Romney, it's about Liberty and becoming the government we want to have...it beats meet up, though meet-up used to be huge fun in 07/08.

I am a Ron Paul Republican, I am not alone. WE ARE THE FUTURE, despite Romney, the RNC, lies, cheating, theft, we are still in the GOP fighting for Ron paul's message to become reality. It's a great time to be involved,, it's just very hard for people to go to a GOP meeting.. I was afraid.. but it was nothing like I imagined.. so I encourage people to check it out, why not see the truth for yourself?

You are a ROMNEY Republican

Who do you think you are kidding?

Exactly!

All avenues should be pursued. . . . just not blindly.

The only thing we need to unite behind is Liberty and a libertarian understanding of the constitution!

arguments....

Burningsirius,

I would hope you could get some more informative and better arguments from human beings than from some android at work...but who knows?

Granger,

Thanks for all you do for liberty. (I do hope to get the time to argue with you some more about such things...and even Ralph Nader, but that is not the situation at the moment.)

An Android

Is a smart phone brand......

May the LORD bless you and keep you
May the LORD make His face shed light upon you and be gracious unto you
May the LORD lift up His face unto you and give you peace
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"Facts are stubborn things;

... and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams (http://www.brainyquote.com/)

The Granger states the facts about the political system and how it works. She speaks the truth. Those who are inclined to alter the facts and evidence, allow their passion to blind them to Granger's message. Their passions work against them and our fight for freedom: http://youtu.be/PWSx0bBiNIs

Keep on bringing people to the truth, Burningsirius, and you will do well in your future ministry. The world needs more TMOTs and Grangers.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

bump

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"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

So where is the post

So where is the post welcoming with open arms the conspiracy fetishists, perpetual motion device pushers, UFO enthusiasts, raw foodies, bible thumpers and other one-note canaries? Abandon all critical thought, ye who enter... and expect more of the same.

Oh, Wow. OMG! I am struck, like lightening bolt to the heart

I feel humbled and grateful. Thank you BurningsiriusΩ™.

I am sorry to those who I offend, because I am not aiming to offend anyone. I care. I care about our Liberty, that comes from a government that protects our rights to be individuals and think for ourselves. I may not agree with the majority of people who believe or think voting FOR GJ, or writing in Ron Paul, will achieve the goal of materializing Ron Paul's message: RESTORE THE REPUBLIC <- THAT is how we advance LIBERTY.

I do not make any apology for my goal of materializing Ron Paul's message, or how I came to it, or how I advanced in the GOP, or what I did to get Ron Paul the nomination he didn't get, or voting Romney to keep my oath and hold him to the oath we all take to the constitution. To me, THIS is HOW we stop the monopoly, break the duopoly, by changing the half we can, the GOP, and we are accomplishing this.. we are winning, and if you don't believe me go to your local GOP meeting and see for yourself.

There is a lot of anger, resentment, frustraition, apathy, FEAR, doubt, hate, mis and dis-trust, insulting, name-calling, which is violent. Words can hurt. Truth can hurt. Truth can also make you laugh, it depends on which side of the truth you are on. So the downmarks and attacks do not hurt me, as they are not the truth, even when they have some truth. I am not angry, frustraited, apathetic, fearfull, doubtful, hateful, mis or distrusting, meaning to insult or call people names.. it's not what drives me to post.

It is my LOVE, for Ron Paul's message, a good fight, the Constitution, Truth, Liberty, Freedom, Sound Money, Smaller Government, free market, ending the fed, ending the police state, building more colleges and closing prisons with other solutions to non-violent crimes, ending war, advancing trade, ending the UN Agenda global government, giving people opportunity to make moral choices, reasonable choices, without government forcing us all into a box protected by layers or fraud, lies, robbery and personal injury crimes, and wars. If I don't step up, who will?

I had no idea what I was getting into, so I have shared my experience, not to gloat, but to inform and encourage people to GO SEE THE GOP YOURSELF. "Break down the wall". We are not done just because the nomination is over. WE ARE WINNING, and I want everyone here to experience that FOR REAL. I understand many can't and won't. By all means...PEACE and LOVE to you, be safe, be happy.

But for those who think they know what a GOP committee is, or don't know, or are afraid, or want to know, but think they won't fit in, they won't be liked, they will look and feel out of place, please try thinking of it like this: "There are some Ron Paul Republicans on that committee and I want to meet them, see if I can help..connect with Ron Paul, the campaign, learn about MY GOP, and have a cup of coffee". Then come to DP and tell us your experience. What happened? I bet we would hear a lot of funny stories because many believe or think of the GOP the way MSM has set us up. Don't fall for these set ups. God knows I fell for decades, and Ron Paul showed me the political light, and it's in the GOP.

I would have never guessed, so I don't blame anyone else who can't believe that.. but it's true. Go to your local GOP meeting, see for yourself and tell me I'm wrong then.

I thank everyone who has a kind words for me on this thread. I am humbled and Thank you for standing up for me, even though some diagree with me. May God Bless you abundantly and constantly,

LOVE, BBG

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LOl! I planted a seed for you today. I've started my hand at

verticle and Drum gardening. I planted a seed of hope for many and it is my hope to show how ALL people can live together. I see you as the seed of hope for growing people together.

Be the GOOD seed and not the WEED.

LOCAL is the ANSWER!

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Granger Potato Head?

If we become what we are fighting to win our fight, have we won

anything?

If we win back our INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY by disregarding and destroying the INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY of each member of the LIBERTY Movement-how will we be able handle INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY? Can a collectivist revert to an INDIVIDUAL instantly like flipping a light switch?

I do not always agree w/ TG but she is an INDIVIDUAL.

I do not always agree w/ anyone here-that is a good thing-a good sign.

Please try to differentiate between those here that are INDIVIDUALS that have the same goals but honest differences on how to achieve those goals and collectivists pursuing collectivist agendas(whatever the motivation, ignorance/immaturity or otherwise). Encourage the former, discourage the later.

P.S. L.L.(Tom) takes heat from many here. L.L. knows that I strongly disagree w/ him on the G.J. thing but we both know that it is an honest disagreement between two INDIVIDUALS that honestly share the same end goals.

P.P.S. Continue to be you own LEADER The Granger and L.L.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

gmason08

I am less than a year old in Ron Paul LOL, and I still have questions. How can you tell a collectivist or a collectivist agenda? Thanks

Thanks for the question bear

Hope this helps.

Probably best to understand the opposite of collectivist(group) thought.

If you, bear, research a particular issue, using primary sources and form your own opinion on that issue-that would be an example of Individual(not group/collectivist) thought. Doing that is commendable because it helps promote and develop the type of thinking that is necessary to preserve a society base upon the INDIVIDUAL. Unfortunately, it requires far more time and effort than the example below which mostly explains why the above process is uncommon. Because it is very uncommon we find ourselves where we are today, living in a country where the few with power(leaders) of the few groups w/ power run roughshod over the lives of each Individual. If the above example was the norm consistently from our nations founding, the top down control environment in which we live could never have been established.

If, on the other hand, I ask you what you think about X issue and you reply that you agree with/support the Democrat/Republican/Libertarian/Green/etc. Party position on that issue that would be an example of collectivist(group) thought/think. Collectivist/Group thought is convenient because it is not thought at all; it does not require the INDIVIDUAL to think at all-they are told what to think. This is a very major threat to a society that supposedly is based on Freedom/Liberty of the INDIVIDUAL.

Please ask any further questions you have on this critical area we all must grasp completely.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Thank you for taking the time

Thank you for taking the time give me a well thought out and explained reply. Your time on my behalf is appreciated!

You are very welcome bear

I appreciate the interest you demonstrated by asking for clarification.

LIBERTY!

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Some people become what they hate

In this case, we are facing what we hate, in that we don't hate tio GOP, we hate that the GOP has lost it's way. So we work on a creative, constructive way to peacefully help the GOP find it's way back to constitutional government, by holding each other to the constitution.

As far as being my own leader.. I have many leaders because I have many interests, and though I may have been born of every gift, blessing, key, to see all, know all, I appreciate good leaders that help me advance from surfing to survival training, to political and religious organization, to clubs to cleaning the beach, following hadn signals tooo.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwkOdv443_o

-2 for Granger On Her Tribute Post????

My friend, your comment on your own tribute was at a negative 2. I have upvoted it so now it is only a negative 1. I have come to learn that some people just see an ID and mark it down because it is the ID. It is the voice being censored and not the comment. You my friend are a brave one!

Very True

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"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Thank you Granger sister in Liberty

Enjoy your Sunday.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I feel humbled and grateful, as well.

Thank you Granger.

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Come on guys, seriously?

Read the post thoroughly. There is no reason to down-vote this post! (Not this post, I mean the one to which I'm replying.)

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

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LL downvotes every post of a true paul supporter.
thats who did it.
ask it, it will tell you it did so

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

LL

The only LL I know who leaves me questioning whether he's a person is Lyndon LaRouche. (That's a joke, by the way.)

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

What a great response

I mean that genuinely. (By the way, I'm not the one who down-voted this post. I see that it's at -1 at the moment.)

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.