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I want to personally thank a certain member of the DP

Hey guys, we all claim to be 'independently minded', yet, it seems that the DP is plagued with a hostile zeitgiest as of late toward a certain member.

I have taken a sabbatical to concentrate on my studies for the ministry, however, I come on time to time to read arguments usually from my Android at work.

There is someone on here who is super brave and deserves at the very least our respect. That person is: The Granger. I too have had personal disagreements with her in the past, but never was I vicious, rude or condescending in my very minor disagreements with her.

She is someone who is especially brave who advocates her positions with no apologies. She is uncompromising and truthful about her intentions. She of course also has the requisite background needed to be a Ron Paul supporter. In light of all of this, there are many who pounce on her even as they make similar arguments for their preferred choice in moving the ball forward.

I advocate to not knee-jerk down vote her. Also, do not respond unless you have something of substance to say. No stupid slogans or mottos that end up taking away all the thinking and also detract from her main points.

The Granger is a very welcomed member of the DP community, as all members are. I love and support her in her efforts. We should do the same as we all have the same goal.

If we are champions of peace, should we not make peace with our brothers and sisters on our side first before we challenge the Power-Elite? This is something central to our cause.

Any who, you can now return back to your daily scheduled programing of mainstream media lies, cover ups, distortions, distractions and of course something the mainstream will never talk about... the Truth.

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Thanks for making my point!
Its Canadian and has nothing to do wih US elections.
cant vote.
cant donate. cant canvass.

all those sites and its not a bot?
why cant you see?
ITS CANADIAN!!!LOL
iTS A CANDIAN BOT SIMPLE AS THAT. AND ONE THAT LIES TOO.
It has been banned many times from this site as well as MANY others, and for the exact same things a certain few who follow it accuse me of. The diff?
It was banned and not me. ask it, it will tell you the truth because many here know the truth and it CANT lie about this.
It has been allowed back several times and was a MOD for a LITTLE while and went around deleting comments it didnt like and banning folks just like an authoritarian nazi would.

Cmon.

Your post above PROVES my point. cant you see it?? look at all those sites!
It lays up on its gvt and posts disinfo in american chat rooms all day, and its not even American!lol
Dont be fooled by its FAKE charm. It hates the US and hates us for our freedom and free market. I know how canadians think and LL is typical, wishes Canada was more like the US but knows it never will be and are jealous. LL hates Americans and is an enemy to us here.
With every post, It seeks to divide, nothing more.
Its a snake and I will TRUMPET this TRUTH as long as its here.

however, it will surface shortly to Thank You for defending it probably by calling you a patriot or same like and kind.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

you don't, then, appreciate . . .

those in other countries who have supported Ron Paul?

There are quite a few in Poland, where LL was born--

and there are others on DP who live in and are citizens of Canada--

I guess I don't understand why that is a problem--

I've taken note of those who support Ron Paul and liberty in:

New Zealand
Australia
England
Sweden
Denmark
The Netherlands
Romania
Poland

and several regulars on DP from Canada actually--

there are others who state that they live elsewhere but don't say where--

I can see now why people would be wary of mentioning that, for fear of being attacked for not being a U.S. citizen and supporting Dr. Paul--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thank you ATruepatriot

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Thanks for making my point!
again!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Ideological bullets?

Like risking rep to advocate a cause. Guess Ron was never truly 'brave' by your definition.

Courage is a virtue that manifests itself in different ways. Taking a bullet for one you love is not courage... it is the Christian virtue Love that motivates that. Remember the 4 cardinal virtues and the 3 heavenly virtues: courage, justice, wisdom and fortitude, faith, hope and love (charity).

It is common to confuse virtues. What The Granger is doing is courageous and full of intellectual fortitude.

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Yes to defending Granger's freedom of speech!

Also, mega-Yes to defending Rand's freedom to pursue his own way out of the fog of suspicion and to continue his efforts to move the country towards liberty!! (oh-ho, NOW, I'm going to get negative votes. . . ;-)

Since she hasn't faced real

Since she hasn't faced real censorship, which only comes from government, not private parties, freedom of speech isn't the issue. I am OK with expressing one's opinion, but not OK with repeating mindless platitudes and attempts to justify Mitt Romney support as if by doing so it will guarantee one a spot in heaven. Mitt Romney is as wrong for America as Obama. Continual brow-beatings by the GOP into meek compliance are no excuse.

No negative vote from me

Granger needs to learn how to inspire others without condemnation. However, her freedom of speech was never at risk.

As for Rand,he is a very effective senator. Maybe he's not perfect, but who is? If perfection is what we expect from our leaders, the liberty movement will go nowhere.

Thumbs up, nationalobserver.

Thumbs up, nationalobserver. I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me. What I do mind is when disagreement repeatedly takes on a belittling, condescending and outright mean tone. But people may become that way to others after being put in a defensive position over and over again. Maybe that's just human nature.

It just goes to show that respect begets respect. That's kind of why we like Ron Paul so much.

Chin up Granger. :-)

TRUTH

"But people may become that way to others after being put in a defensive position over and over again"

Thats the TRUTH!

Thank You for saying it.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

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The ones you speak of that Granger "should learn how to inspire",
DO NOT want to be inspired and instead have attacked her from Gairies git mo!lol

She WAS very polite at all times and explained over and over that she IS DOING what RP asked of us all and she tells the truth. Much more then she gets in return.
I wonder why someone like Granger with all her knowledge and info even stays around here giving the freaks any info she has, in the first place???.
Most dont deserve to know what is happening inside the GOP because they are confused obama libs- and wouldnt understand it any way.

Granger speaks to educated folk. She is well thought out and well positioned to do so.
Im so happy we have Granger on our side.
I would pick Granger FIRST to be on my team and Im CERTAIN Ron Paul would also. funny thing is that NEITHER Paul NOR The Granger would pick GJ to be on their team, nor would I....

RP not endorsing GJ SPEAKS VOLUMES! If GJ had the truth with him, Paul would endorse, but he keeps silent.

That is very telling and NO Paul supporter should get behind GJ.
if you understood Pauls message correctly then you would see GJ is a fraud.
but obama libs cant understand the conservative ideology RP carries with him at all times.. and they never will, so they take to GJ- which is understandable.
He speaks their language and speaks to their emotional feelings.
Libs ALWAYS buy the emotional kool aide.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

And there you go again

"I wonder why someone like Granger with all her knowledge and info even stays around here giving the freaks any info she has, in the first place?"

Are you The Granger?

I'm not a freak.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

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The Granger gives them GOOD solid truth of how the inside works and what she is doing for us, and they attack her!!
This to me is freaky!
sorry if you cant see it.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Sorry if YOU can't see that calling fellow Paulites freaks is NO

WAY to make friends.

Your statement "Certain people here DESERVE to pissed ON!
Be glad she doesnt do that!" says a lot about your attitude. Why are you even on the Daily Paul with all of us "freaks"?

It is time that we hear from Granger. Granger, your friends have done nothing to help your cause. Like you, they have a knack for needlessly alienating themselves. What say you Granger?

Thumbs Up For All Conscientious Objections

I would likely be a conscientious objector to any marching orders.

http://www.dailypaul.com/258155#comment-2779748

That said, I'm glad to second this post and comments. I like and respect The Granger.

Giving voice 'round every turn in the trenches may help avoid friendly fire casualties while we each hone our aims.

If Granger is Feeling Picked On, It's Her Own Fault.

I have never seen anyone so eager to crow about what they have done for Ron Paul, all the while castigating other Paulites for not doing EXACTLY what she has done for the cause of liberty. (you know, "join a committee")

Example: "HE (Ron Paul) KNEW what it would take to win and his supporters for the most part were UNWILLING to do what he asked. THAT IS A FACT."
http://www.dailypaul.com/250516/i-just-got-off-the-delegate-...

Apparently she has made quite a few enemies on the DP, or you would not feel the need to write this ridiculous post. She would do well to take your advice to "make peace with our brothers and sisters on our side first before we challenge the Power-Elite"

This Is Someone Desperate For Attention To Impress The Neo-Cons

This Is Someone Desperate For Attention To Impress The Neo-Cons.

Simply someone who wants a job. That is all.

Wisdom Strategies

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allow me to introduce exhibit A.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

First off

She never came to me complaining. This defense is of my own volition. This was a decision made by my conscience.

Second, what she said is correct. Missouri was a HUUUUGGEEE example of this. Many delegates did not even show up for their meetings. When we lost Missouri, that is when the campaign fell apart. How do I know this? Look where I live geographically. I have friends who know what went on and heard reports.

So, does the sting in what she say resonate so bad you hate her. Just saying, in this case she is right.

I told her that strategically, Illinois is nearly impossible with many of the RevPac guys being from Illinois giving up on becoming delegates due to the idiotic nature of Illinois politics. We are a unique state. In other states, what The Granger has done may be replicated.

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Why would I hate her? I love anyone who loves Ron Paul!

Second, there is no sting in her words for me. I am satisfied with what I did to help Dr. Paul in both 2008 and 2012. However, unlike Granger, I do not need to crow about it, nor do I need to point fingers at others whose dedication to the cause was less apparent.

If Granger ever stops blaming others, and refrains from boasting about her own accomplishments, I think she will find that her views will receive greater acceptance on the Daily Paul.

When your own priest tells you that you are pissing off people, as Granger's priest has done, you should realize that the problem is with you.

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Certain people here DESERVE to pissed ON!
Be glad she doesnt do that!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

To those who keep this place from becoming an echo chamber

Cheers!

I believe it is good for

I believe it is good for anyone to be able to post even if I disagree with them. As for the Granger I think most would agree with her point about trying to get seats in the Gop and converting them, and the party to a liberty view point. I don't think she gets down voted for that part.

The part that usually gets down votes is the derogatory comments towards other view points and the majority I feel on this site are not in favor of Romney getting any votes from us

While I may disagree with her secondary view points, I would never suggest she be silenced. Down votes are a sign of disagreement, now when people start to say things like stfu I disagree with them, and I hate acronyms anyway.

Bump

Although I occasionally disagree with The Granger, she is certainly a very valuable member of the DP community. Thank you Granger for all your insight here on the DP and for following Dr. Paul's lead to take over the Republican Party!

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

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Nice post. Thoughtful. I entirely agree

Nice post. Thoughtful. I entirely agree with your point.

I, too, have the uttermost difficulties in understanding The Granger's line of thinking, but I'd never, ever advocate or support any sort of ban or unfair discredit of her speech (de facto or otherwise) on the sole basis of her ("unexpected" ?) opinions, re: the GOP.

If we understand Liberty and free speech on here, the DP (or on any serious forum websites, for that matter) there's only one line drawn in the sand to be aware of and to respect as best as one can, really.

'HTH,

P.S.
I think I remember even debating (to my OWN surprise !) against very-socialism-friendly(or convinced)-minded folks on here ... AFAIC, The Granger's opinions on how do politics are barely annoying compared to those, if one asks me !

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I think

taking a break has allowed me to readjust my position on how to deal with all the hate on the DP. Now, I am either directly calling people out or using positive reinforcement to help smooth over things. Apparently, what I write tends to invoke emotion from people. I must use this with great care.

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You've picked the right place

for emotional response. But believe me, libertarians are very logical and analytical. It's why we tend to be such a mixed bunch. Returning logic to the emotional response is always the best approach here, because the libertarian in us will gravitate toward logic.

The ideological battles that have been won by a minority haven't been won because of that minority's intense emotional responses. Those people had an unshakeable belief in that thing, and every acid test against them failed.

Positive reinforcement is the only thing that works for me here, since you can be sure that some post or another will get a flurry of negative responses for no apparent reason. Responding in a friendly, positive way over and over again despite them will just reveal them and give your view the light it deserves.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Keep the Love in the rEVOLution

We are a diverse bunch and we are all moving forward in ways which best suit our abilities. Seems some choose to waste their time and energy telling others what they should be doing...

Agreed

The division on this site and targeted attacks on people like The Granger are not positive developments, since the GOP Convention.

I won't name any names myself, but suffice it to say that certain crowds are successfully dividing. To conquer? Maybe, maybe not. I don't really care why.

But it's gotten nasty here, in ways that remind me of the CNN or the Daily Caller's comment sections. Almost to the point of net-intimidation (whatever that means).

The only thing keeping me here is that the more of us who disagree with this stuff leave, the worse it will get.

Thanks for the primary season 2011/2012 though, DP. It's been an interesting and mind-expanding time to be here.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry

Bump

I actually knew exactly who you were talking about after reading headline and first sentence.

Never seen so many focused down votes awarded so consistently to somebody who deserves only appreciation.