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Bombshell: Rod Class gets FOURTH Administrative Ruling "Gov't Offices are Vacant"- All Gov't Officials are "Private Contractors"

Yes, you read that correctly; it is true, and is now on the court record; black ink on white paper. Please read on:

A lot of us have been exposing the crime of the UNITED STATES corporation for many years, but until recently, no one has had the proof that all government offices are vacant; no one is home; those supposed government offices/agencies are being occupied by PRIVATE CONTRACTORS and are NOT being occupied by a legitimate government body.

This is equivalent to the ice cream man knocking on your door and extorting taxes from you. He has no lawful authority to do anything other than drive the ice cream truck - he's not a government official; he's an ice cream man.

Your supposed government officials are nothing more than ice cream men/women who are fraudulently extorting money from you and your family; throwing you in prison; taxing you to death; stealing your children and imposing their will on you, and enforcing their own internal-statutory rules and codes upon you and your family.

Rod Class has now received FOUR Administrative Rulings that prove what many of us have felt to be truth: What you think is government; what you think are legitimate Government Officials/Senators/Congressman/Policeman/Governors/Tax Collectors, etc. are nothing more than private contractors, extorting money from American Citizens and failing to pay off the public debt as they are instructed to do by the 1933 bankruptcy.

What they have done is this:

These people have switched places with the average American Citizen. They are enforcing their own Administrative codes, that are only meant for THEM, upon regular Citizens who are not being paid by the corporation. The supposed elected officials have hoodwinked the country into an employment position without pay. They themselves are taking public money to occupy government seats/positions/agencies, when they are nothing more than private contractors ... Felony!

They are treating us as if we are paid government employees; enforcing their own internal rules-regulations-codes, and statutes on the average Citizen, as well as conveniently forgetting to send us our weekly/monthly government employment check.

I've been preaching this for the last year + with no avail on this forum. Perhaps now, people will begin to listen and take action.

In these radio shows, Rod explains his Administrative Rulings from the various Judges; explains the con, and shows you, where in their very own US Codes the above aforementioned information is spot on.

There are a few shows you need to listen to, and here are some bullet points of those shows:

1. All BAR attorneys are prohibited from representing John Q. Public; can only represent gov't officials and employees within their own agencies, their BAR Charter says so.

2. Any Judge that prohibits you from representing yourself or hiring a defense other than a BAR attorney, are in fact, committing a felony on the bench in violation of the Taft-Hartly Act (running a closed union shop) and the Smith Act (overthrow of Constitutional form of Gov't)

3. Anytime an BAR attorney represents someone in a case against you, you can now claim that person is incompetent; a ward of the state, with no standing to sue.

4. Any and all tax collectors, police officers, sheriffs dept's, DOT, tag agencies, BAR attorneys, Judges, Highway Patrol, supposed elected officials, are nothing more than private contractors, who can now be brought up on fraud charges for impersonating a public official while receiving federal funding.

5. Any and all home, vehicle, credit card loans are supposed to be discharged through the Treasury window, in compliance with the 1933 bankruptcy laws. These scumbags are double dipping and never discharging the debt like they are supposed to. They are embezzling the funds and pocketing them for themselves.

6. Every person sitting in prison today was railroading by a BAR attorney who's first allegiance is to the State; who had no lawful authority to represent them; who worked in concert with the State to perpetrate a fraud upon it's victims.

7. Orders from Administrative courts prove for the fourth time, an agency of the State is NOT an agency under the State.

8. Elected Officials are claiming 11th Amendment sovereignty, when it's actually you and I that hold 11th Amendment sovereignty. They are getting paid by the corporation, you and I are not.

9. They have admitted to the crime of no one actually holding a public office; they are filling corporate seats and defrauding the public.

10. Political subdivisions are not getting their 40% funding from the Feds as they are supposed to get.

11. These Judges have admitted (black ink on white paper) that all these State Offices are ........... EMPTY!

12. Now we have Administrative paperwork - ruling these public offices aren't part of the State agencies.

13. Attorney Generals may not practice law; can't represent the people who are not public officials.

14. If the State is a 3rd party interloper in your Marriage (marriage license); Vehicle Title (State Registration), etc. then they are liable for 1/3rd of the cost to manage the daily activities of that contract.

15. If the State demands you have a Drivers License and Tag your vehicle because it is registered with the State, then as the owner of the vehicle, the State is required to pay for the vehicle, the tags, licensing, fuel, tires, oil, etc. and they are also to pay you a salary for driving a State owned vehicle; it says so in their own Highway Safety Act and USC - CFR rules and regulations.

16. We now have the court orders that goes back and nullifies any and all IRS and Tax cases, Foreclosures, Credit Card Debt, cases or actions. These people never had the lawful right to demand anything of you; they are corporate actors, not a legitimate government body.

17. Judge admits the 1933 bankruptcy, and no way to pay off anything because of Federal Reserve Notes; all public debt is t be discharged through the Treasury.

18. Only the Secretary of Transportation can hear traffic cases; all traffic cases are civil, not criminal.

19. If you're not being paid for you time, you are not required to have one of their CDL or CMV licenses; it's prohibited.

20. Says we now have a major labor dispute on our hands; US corporation running a slave racket against American Citizens without the pay.

21. United States Codes (USC) and Titles #1 thru #50 are void; have never been passed by Congress; all have been repealed.

As I've been saying for a very long time on this forum: If you are not getting a weekly or monthly paycheck from the so called federal government aka UNITED STATES or one of it's sub corporations such as the STATE OF ***, then their statutory rules (not laws), codes and regulations DO NOT APPLY TO YOU ......... Period!

There is so much information packed into these last six calls, I can't even begin to share it in this post. If you want your freedom; if you want to know with 100% surety that the foreign corporation known as the UNITED STATES has zero authority over you unless you are receiving a weekly paycheck from them, take the time to listen to call #646 through #651 here:

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=4...

Scroll down the page and click on the orange "Listen" button; a pop up player will appear for your listening pleasure.

And believe me: This is pure listening pleasure, with the court filings; rulings and US Code to back it all up.

By the time you finish these few short shows, your fear of the government will be a thing of the past.

Also, many of Rod’s current filings against the infrastructure are at: http://harveyw26.minus.com ...some may be easy to download, some may not !

And for those of you who are new to the forum and want to get a better grasp of all this prior to or after listening to the calls, here are some of my more informative posts on the matter at hand:

Public Notice to Gun Grabbing Politicians:

http://www.dailypaul.com/246514/public-notice-attention-to-a...

So the Government wants you to collect a sales tax?

http://www.dailypaul.com/245362/have-a-business-and-the-govt...

Your Home Loan was paid the day you signed the note:

http://www.dailypaul.com/244590/want-to-stick-it-to-the-bank...

The real reason for the 14th Amendment:

http://www.dailypaul.com/244553/they-created-the-14th-amendm...

What's the One Document in your possession that gives you the authority to rule over my life?

http://www.dailypaul.com/244165/whats-the-one-document-you-h...

Can the State be an actual injured party? ..... No, it cannot!

http://www.dailypaul.com/243521/can-the-state-be-an-injured-...

Having a Social Security # is not a contract with the State/Feds:

http://www.dailypaul.com/243164/social-security-is-not-a-con...

Trust Law, your Rights and how to enforce them:

http://www.dailypaul.com/243090/trust-law-your-rights-and-ho...

Why you should never hire an attorney:

http://www.dailypaul.com/242260/this-is-why-you-should-never...

Hopefully now in light of these Administrative Court Rulings people will now come to realize the fact, that Unless You Are Getting A Weekly Check From Government, Their Statutory Rules-Codes-Regulations They Put Off As Laws, Have Zero Force Or Effect On You Personally

No Contract = No Jurisdiction

Did you fill out an employment contract with the State; are they paying you for your services? If not, why the hell are you following their rules?

This is how we change our current form of Government back to the Republic is was initially intended to be.

If you don't take the time to listen to at least those last six shows at the link above, you are overlooking the most important information ever to come to light within the Liberty Movement.

Stop looking for a savior to save us from tyranny and listen to the shows I've provided. Now you are your own savior - Individually, now you can make a HUGE difference in our political structure and form of government.

In Liberty!




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where are the rulings

Who has a copy of these rulings to read? I would like to read them. Can anyone point me in the right direction to read what the rulings say?

Bump!

This thread has veered so far off the topic :

Mr Moore,

I take exception. Your comments italicized.

The obvious point here is that none of you have been in court for anything like this, have had no family members in court fight the IRS successfully, and have no idea what you're talking about.

Been to Court a number of times. State for me. Tax and Federal for the wife.

fight the IRS successfully You are correct. I've known a number of people who have never won against IRS in any court.

Wife lost all along, even when the Tax Court Prosecutor stated she was going to win since he could not rebut her facts in evidence. He didn't understand why she was there in the first place. He didn't say a WORD in presenting a case and she was still decided against. That's what got her to Federal, where they dismissed on failure to state a claim.

Part of the claim was she had been audited and assessed TWICE for the same income in the same year. Clearly shown to be against IRS Regs..


Do you report income to the IRS or pay taxes on those funds?
Do you make enough cash a year where you should?
If you have proof that you make significant income every year, have gone up against the IRS, and are not paying any taxes because you know the loopholes, I would LOVE to hear it. In fact we all would.
The truth is that none of you has the sack to ACTUALLY stand up to the IRS in full view of the American people. Claim whatever you'd want as an excuse, but that's what it all comes down to.

Report? No.

Make enough? Last I looked. IRS Pub 3453 - "Thank You for not Filing" addressed this because they don't want to take up their time and resources if you don't owe. Problem is you can't get a job without allowing withholding and you don't get anything back if you don't file.

Not paying tax loopholes? Loopholes are for people looking to hang themselves. We don't bother with them and they don't bother with us. Why? Apparently because we each ( separate situations ) responded to the last registered mail from them ( 1995 ) asking if the Authorised signor of the mail was exercising an Office of Trust or one of Profit. I expected a reply I could parry with charging Breach of Trust and/or Conversion of Property to another Use.

Now you may cue the Crickets, because that is just what we have heard back since that time. Not a chirp.

Wife had an accumulated quarter million lien on her from years of fighting them. I had a paltry 5 figures against me in another county. Not only were we designated Tax Protesters but were public speaking figures in our own right, finally attaining the status of Paper Terrorists. ( no we did not file any liens against Public Officials to attain that designation )

If you like, I'll post up the PDF from their declaration that I don't have to pay taxes on the amount and had it reduced to zero. I actually have the paper from them backing off on my wall framed.

That could prove interesting.

As for laying out $10 grand on Corpus Juris Secundum? Are you nuts? If you've just got $10,000 laying around the house you feel you can blow on a set, feel free to buy it and send it my way. Or even buy a copy and post a copy up on the internet of you with it and prove it.

I only quoted price from the publishers offering page. No more. I don't need what I can view at the closest Federal Depository, although it was nice to have Am Jure 2d. in the living room at the time.

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

I wish you'd have paid more attention and READ the docs.

I’ve been listening to Rod for a few of years, now. He is tenacious, there is no doubt. And, very knowledgeable.
Since 2010 I’ve also studied the Cannons of Law our system is based upon.
(Go to another talkshoe with Frank O'Collins:
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=9...
And the UNIVERSITY OF UCADIA website he co-founded:
http://one-heaven.org/home.php

Also, I was among the first to sign on with RAP, then renamed RuSA in Maricopa County (Arizona). I resigned after several “that doesn’t seem right to me” reactions to things that were going on.
I still believe in the concept, and as Rod agrees in his latest recording of10/23/12, of fighting the ‘system’ through their own devises is a sound and viable recourse.
A change in Government IS what’s needed.

I agree with everything you’ve highlighted, South; in regards to the US Corporation, its illegitimate usurping of the US Government (As well as State, County and City Governments) and how we’re really being bamboozled by these actors.

That said –
Your inference is that the Administrative Courts rulings prove (quote) “now on the court record; black ink on white paper” “that all government offices are vacant; no one is home; those supposed government offices/agencies are being occupied by PRIVATE CONTRACTORS”. (close quote)
Here’s the thing, you say it’s written in the court docs. Then you say, in effect - you have to listen to Rod, then you’ll see what I am saying is true.

I’m sorry, but there is nothing in the court docs that prove that the court doesn’t have jurisdiction over the ‘private contractors’ who work for the Corporations posing as Government, or that the offices of the Government are vacant.
You and I both KNOW it’s true.
But,that’s inference, my brother. Not a documented admission.
It DOES prove the judge summarily dismissed his motions without cause. (notice I didn’t afford the black robed impostor a capital J, it is not deserved). Which means the judge is ruling that Rod’s protest against judge Gray is not valid.
In other words, the original finding that Rod's case lacks validity.
And, if there WAS a jurisdictional conflict or lack of standing, Rod wouldn’t be filing appeals and reviews within the same district. The rulings (which were dismissals) and Rod’s filings to appeal, and the latest is a motion for Judicial review, are LEADING up to Rod’s trump card –
IF he is granted the review.
THAT is what he refers to in the recordings. IF, and only, IF he gets to an open court on this latest appeal.
The Trump Card.
Which is: In the course of this whole legal action, the judge’s admission of the bankruptcy of 1933. That admission is, as Rod said, (and you wrongly quoted out of context) “on the court record; black ink on white paper”, (The judge admitted it in court, so it is in the court proceedings).
IF he gets the review, the attorney general (of NC) MUST ALSO stipulate (agree) with what the judge said. Then under Title 11 (which details the bankruptcy laws) and the internal revenue codes we cannot be taxed unless we are employees of the Government. (Internal is meant to be "internal government", and regulates those working within the US corporation)
So, if they want to collect taxes from Rod, he says, “Then where’s my paycheck? I must be working for the government for you to tax me, so … where’s my pay?”
And, will also set 'case law' to allow other actions be brought to the courts. Like the US corporation is NOT the US Government, etc.
THAT is the meat and potatoes here.

Sorry to bring order to your chaos. But if you hadn’t interjected the whole “US Government is vacant” thing, and just stuck to the facts ... Well, you wouldn’t have needed to be taught this lesson.

As I’ve said, you’re right! It IS vacant. But, this IRS case is not going to prove it.
Again, sorry, Bro.

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

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sir david andrew

speaks about this very subject
http://sirdavidandrew.com/temples_of_baal_9th_edition.pdf

also this site i have read from
http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Freedom/Sovereignty/Offi...

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

I would advise everyone reading this thread

To ignore the vote counts on the comments. There are several ATTORNEYS AT LAW on this thread running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to spread dis-information and making presumptions which are COMPLETELY UNTRUE.

I counted at least 5 BAR members so far.

You do not need to take the BAR exam to be a lawyer... and NONE of these ATTORNEYS AT LAW have a "license to practice law" - THERE IS NO SUCH LICENSE - what they have is a fancy certificate from the BAR which is a PRIVATE COMPANY!

DEBUNK THIS BAR MEMBERS!

http://www.manta.com/c/mmc87y2/state-bar-of-texas
State Bar Of Texas in Houston, TX is a private company categorized under Lawyers Bar Associations. Our records show it was established in and incorporated in Texas. Register for free to see additional information such as annual revenue and employment figures.

The "State Bar of Texas" is no more an agency of Texas than Federal Express is an agency of the federal government.

That would be sound advice, no doubt.

These BAR shysters are flocking into these threads like homing pigeons on race day.

"Oh no, those people are exposing our fraud on one of the busiest political sites on the internet" ... "Get in there and do something Poindexter, this information will ruin us!"

"What do I tell them sir?"

"I don't know, just pull some statutory code out of the book and mix and match the phrases; reorganize the paragraphs; type in the wrong USC's and confuse them; post that IRS frivolous arguments page, to scare off any newcomers" .... "Just do something Poindexter, I've got a Yacht payment coming up on the 1st, and these damn Sovereigns are going to ruin it all for us; our way of life; our wine; our women; our cars; our homes, if we don't get in there and infiltrate that thread now!!!"

What a bunch of lying thieves and extortionist.

Vampires, as you said is a fitting term.

Here you go brother:

http://www.dailypaul.com/259778/youve-been-declared-legally-...

The above post will not take a ton of work to confirm.

A simple visit to your local IRS office is all it takes.

Just a taste of what you'll find in the Docs I posted above:

For those of you who want verification of bullet point #1 above, that reads:

1. All BAR attorneys are prohibited from representing John Q. Public; can only represent gov't officials and employees within their own agencies, their BAR Charter says so.

This is some information that may help:

1. This Court is operating under the Commerce and Trade Clause.
a) This Court's intent to collect fines and court costs in the form of Federal Reserve Notes which are debt instruments under the Commerce Clause.
b.) This Court is listed as a corporation on various stock exchanges and on the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS). (Code Number 922110)
c) This Court is also located within a Corporation Limit.
d) This Court and its officers come under diversity jurisdiction as they are Federal Citizens under the 14th Amendment, section 3.
e) This Court and its officers are required by law to to have given up their State Citizenship and have taken on Foreign Citizenship as Corporate Persons.

2. This Court and its officers holds a Charter of a Federal Bar, a State Bar or a County Bar Association which, by Federal Statute or State Statutes or Codes, is a Corporation or an Agency of any of those Governments. See, Title 36 USC, Chapter 705, or State statutes and codes such as North Carolina General Statutes Chapter 84, or North Carolina Administrative Code, Title 17, or other States such as Texas Chapter 81, Oregon State Bar, Chapter 9, etc.
a) This Court, and its officers, by its charter, comes under restrictions.
b) This Court and it officers, by it own Statutes or Codes, can only operate within an administrative jurisdiction of that government.
c) The Bar Association lacks; 1) subject matter over a natural person as defined under P.L. 1, 48 stat C1; 2) The Bar Association lacks personal jurisdiction over a natural person as defined under P.L. 1, 48 stat C1; 3) The Bar Association only has jurisdiction over "persons" listed as corporations as stated in P.L. 1, 48 stat C1 and under the ruling of Eisenberg v. Commercial Union Assurance Company, 189 F. Supp. 500 (1960). d. This Court nor any Bar Member, by restriction of either Federal or State constitutions or by its Bar Charter, holds authority outside of its limited administrative duties. To do so is Grounds for Disqualification. “— An individual may not be a member, director, or officer of the corporation if the individual—
(1) is a member of, or advocates the principles of, an organization believing in, or working for, the overthrow of the United States Government by force or violence; or
(2) refuses to uphold and defend the Constitution for the United States.”
e) This Court nor its officers can violate, with impunity, the Taft-Hartley Act or the 1940 Smith Act. To do so would violate the Bar charter and the Constitution. To do so is grounds for disqualification and removal.

3. This Court is aware that its officers are operating under diversity of citizenship and complete diversity.
a) The STATE OF __________________ became a “corporation” under the Act of 1871, An Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia, because the States were forced to give up their sovereignty and swear allegiance to the D.C. Federal Government because of the provisions in the Reconstruction Act of 1867.
b) Those who hold Public Office volunteer away their State citizenship to come under the Washington, DC Constitution's 14th Amendment, section 3 re: citizenship. c) This Court and it officers of the Bar are under the jurisdiction of the United Nations. (See the International Organizations Immunities Act, December 9, 1945.) United Nations jurisdiction comes under the Diversity of Jurisdiction issue.

That's just a small portion of what you'll find in Rod's filings. I've posted the Docs page in the OP above, and three times below I believe. Hope this helps.

I do hope

you and I get a chance to meet someday once we have restored peace and prosperity to this country.

My blessings and humble thanks to you... it's been a pleasure serving the people by your side... in the trenches of this info-war.

Absolutely!

And thanks to you as well. It's a tough job spreading the truth in one browser and combating the lies in another; we need more on our side, and hopefully threads like these will help wake up the masses.

In Liberty!

Figured why not

I'll go through a few points:

1. All BAR attorneys are prohibited from representing John Q. Public; can only represent gov't officials and employees within their own agencies, their BAR Charter says so.

Please source the bar charter, explain what the bar is, and where this information is posted. I've already explained to you what The Bar actually refers to, so this should be easy.

3. Anytime an BAR attorney represents someone in a case against you, you can now claim that person is incompetent; a ward of the state, with no standing to sue.

I want to see a single court case where this has worked. No need for explanations, just cite the court case.

4. Any and all tax collectors, police officers, sheriffs dept's, DOT, tag agencies, BAR attorneys, Judges, Highway Patrol, supposed elected officials, are nothing more than private contractors, who can now be brought up on fraud charges for impersonating a public official while receiving federal funding.

Source of any public official actually being brought up on fraud charges, declared guilty, and then fined or imprisoned on fraud charges of this exact nature. If there are none available, why have the charges not been brought forth yet?

6. Every person sitting in prison today was railroading by a BAR attorney who's first allegiance is to the State; who had no lawful authority to represent them; who worked in concert with the State to perpetrate a fraud upon it's victims.

Actually, most states licensing requires an oath to the state constitution, if not the US Constitution. If you need me to, I can pull the actual oaths for you and examples. Still laughing at your use of bar as an acronym here.

7. Orders from Administrative courts prove for the fourth time, an agency of the State is NOT an agency under the State.

Just waiting on an actual sourced clip of this please, and what it means.

Ok, this is getting monotonous. You make so many assumptive fallacies I can't even object here without saying, "Your premise is wrong here and has not been proven" for almost every statement. Just provide sources and proof on your above postulations and I'll give you a break for a while.

ESPECIALLY please explain how wrong you were on the whole "Bar" thing, as everyone is still waiting for that apology.

Eric Hoffer

Liars, Thieves, and Impostors.

The BAR has no more Authority or Jurisdiction over me than the Easter Bunny. Ok. Do your due diligence and read... Learn to comprehend the language that was given to you and the language that has also enslaved you and stolen your authenticity and given you an ID ENTITY instead. It was not so long ago that if one was caught teaching a slave to read and write that they would be put to death right along with the slave they were attempting to liberate from bondage and servitude.

Here is one for you.

PENAL CODE

TITLE 11. ORGANIZED CRIME

CHAPTER 71. ORGANIZED CRIME

Sec. 71.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter,
(a) "Combination" means three or more persons who collaborate in carrying on criminal activities, although:
(1) participants may not know each other's identity;
(2) membership in the combination may change from time to time; and
(3) participants may stand in a wholesaler-retailer or other arm's-length relationship in illicit distribution operations.
(b) "Conspires to commit" means that a person agrees with one or more persons that they or one or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense and that person and one or more of them perform an overt act in pursuance of the agreement. An agreement constituting conspiring to commit may be inferred from the acts of the parties.
(c) "Profits" means property constituting or derived from any proceeds obtained, directly or indirectly, from an offense listed in Section 71.02.
(d) "Criminal street gang" means three or more persons having a common identifying sign or symbol or an identifiable leadership who continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities.

If that isn't a definition of the BAR, en banc, and the "Police" agencies then I don't know what is....

They are no different than bandit outlaws in the old western days who would rob the stagecoaches and steal the loot and property. Same shit different asshole.

Erm

Do you know what the bar actually is?

"The Bar" is a piece of wood inside the courtroom that separates those who have been licensed as solicitors or barristers from the general public allowed to view the case. When you pass "The Bar Exam" you are proving your knowledge of law before being licensed by the jurisdiction you are planning to practice in.

The Bar is not an acronym. It is not spelled in all capital letters anymore than TABLE is spelled when you are referring to a table.

You obviously haven't read the rest of this thread and the comments within. Feel free to do so. If you need me to, I can repost the sources cited for you, but your failure to do so will require you to call me "Big Daddy Hoffer" for the remainder of this year.

Eric Hoffer

Okay....

So that's what "the bar" is... but what is the "BAR?"

Sigh

Your obfuscatory attempt to capitalize a word that isn't meant to be capitalized and then trying to proclaim it an acronym when it's not?

What about it? Feel free to read the posts in this thread, as you're obviously failing to do so before posting.

Eric Hoffer

Eric Hoffer

Eric Hoffer ESQUIRE I presume?

No.

Bill S. Preston? That you?

I never took The Bar exam, nor did I go to law school.

Eric Hoffer

Well then I'm just going to come out

and call you a big fat liar.

LOL

On which count?

The obvious point here is that none of you have been in court for anything like this, have had no family members in court fight the IRS successfully, and have no idea what you're talking about. Any time anyone who has actual experience comes along, you shout them down with claims of, "But they're part of the system!" My, my... how convenient is that right?

Feel free, let me know what you think I'm lying about and then we can go about establishing evidence of some sort. That's how normal facts are handled, in case you weren't aware.

Eric Hoffer

Why don't you overlook that error, and seek the kernel of truth?

I admit, I did not dive all the way down this bunny hole, but I know people who are "in the trenches" and the courts squirm when they are in them. I don't know why or what is at the bottom, but if you are so well versed in the legal system, it would be great to have you dig into this, and figure out what it is that makes judges run out of courtrooms and cut deals with these folks?
I don't know what "Bar" originally came from, the chances are pretty good that it is lost to obscurity. But mis-information and disinformation is how the enemy smears those who get too near the truth. Stop harping about a possible lie that is being used to obscure a deep truth, and try to paint a clearer picture of the truth. Or else shut up, we all know how you feel about this. You have contributed nothing of substance in several posts now.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

This is what a BAR member's PRIMARY job is...

You have contributed nothing of substance in several posts now.

I'm not sure you know how completely you just nailed it on the head.

It's not

It's not lost to obscurity. It's commonly well known and the information is available easily. That's what makes it so absurd so get something so simple wrong.

It's hard to contribute something of substance to a total farce. What can you say to be a contributor to a person selling snake oil? The answer is hard work and is going to be subjective on a case by case basis. There NEVER is a magic pill. That's the easy test here:

If it sounds too good to be true and easy, it most likely is.

Why have none of these people actually sued like they are claiming is legally possible? Why do they sit hiding from the IRS hoping to god they don't get caught? Why are many of the people involved in the "Sovereign" movement or the "Free Man on Land" movement associated with scams and ripping people off?

There's a certain point at which you realize that forums like this aren't a really great place for legal advice on this level. Your situation is going to be different from mine, mine will be different from everyone else.

The truth is, judges DON'T run out of courtrooms. They may scratch their head and try to help you if they think you're confused, but you're not going to beat any charges with this. If you disagree on the jurisdiction on a case, you can go that route, but essentially what this poster is claiming is that an administrative court (one that applies rules to administrative groups like the FDA, EPA, IRS, etc) overrules judicial courts, and that's just not true. Aside from that fact, one administrative court's rulings will not be the same as another, and there may be a different court for each agency. State agencies and local agencies get even MORE irrelevant, because they'll only apply in those states or locales.

I'm sorry Fishy, but it's not an error, it's a deliberate attempt to deceive. If you couch things in terms of secrecy and pretend it's a big secret that only you know the answer to, you can lead people to believe and trust you on all kinds of things. This normally wouldn't be a big deal, except people end up in jail and losing their livelihoods over this crap, and that's NOT ok to me. That's why I'm such a complete jerk in threads like this. Leading people down the path to bankruptcy and debt with the IRS is unacceptable to me.

Eric Hoffer

Eric I have SEEN the judge squirm

Lawyers are about as thick as a brick when it comes to law - you have been INDOCTRINATED. Try getting past it. I have been IN THE COURTROOM and watched the judge get visibly uncomfortable, - Oh, screw it. You want to believe more than you want to find the truth.
I did not believe it either, until I saw it with my own eyes. To do that, I sought out a person fighting this fight and went to court with them. It is THAT EASY Eric, and you are too lazy to even do that. You'd rather sit here and argue on the internet.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Erm

Did you miss the threads below?

Let me put it straight Fishy:

Do you report income to the IRS or pay taxes on those funds?
Do you make enough cash a year where you should?

If you have proof that you make significant income every year, have gone up against the IRS, and are not paying any taxes because you know the loopholes, I would LOVE to hear it. In fact we all would.

The truth is that none of you has the sack to ACTUALLY stand up to the IRS in full view of the American people. Claim whatever you'd want as an excuse, but that's what it all comes down to.

Eric Hoffer

SO because I am a tax slave, I must be wrong about everything?

Yep, I pay my taxes. You are right, I don't have the "sack" to stand up tot the IRS, that is why I am so appreciative of the people who fight that fight. Sherry Jackson, Erwin Schiff, Joe Bannister - those folks have the "sack" I lack.
By the way, at the 2008 RNC, I stood there in my little red outfit, toe to toe with a line of men in riot gear and gave them hell for being cowards threatening a peaceful protest. I have plenty of "sack" - it is just different than other folks. We all ought to do what we can, rather than pointing out each others shortcomings and grinding each other down over them.
Again, I urge you to find someone who IS fighting this battle and go to court with them. When you can report your EYEWITNESS account, I am interested in what you have to say. Until then, I will ignore anything you post, you do nothing but try to discourage people who are challenging the lies and liars in our corrupt "justice" system.
Oh, I would also read a thread about you getting raided SWAT style for being a "Constitutionalist" and be very interested in how much "sack" you display with a locked and loaded weapon at your head.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Well, this explains it:

EricHoffer is a damn 11 year old.

He's just a baby; still has acne and peach fuzz ... lol

Name is "James Moore" as it shows his photo on his Google profile as noted in his SIG line.

http://gplus.to/jamesrmoore

Arguing with a snot nosed little know it all and never even knew it, now that's priceless.

This is the kind of naivety we're dealing with; EricHoffer (I mean James Moore) says:

"The truth is, judges DON'T run out of courtrooms. They may scratch their head and try to help you if they think you're confused, but you're not going to beat any charges with this."

Now this is a textbook response from someone who knows absolutely nothing about the true nature of the court system in this country.

He's not a Lawyer; he's learning his law from the print on the back of Bazooka Bubble Gum squares & Cracker Jack Boxes. No wonder he didn't want to spend $10K on the Corpus Juris Secundum; he's only got $10.00 in his piggy bank.

Unbelievable.

LOL

... I was unaware you thought my pseudonym was a real name, I kinda thought putting my profile details into my profile would clear that up.

If it helps, I'm 26, and I've been to court with the IRS. In fact, when I turned 18 was their first shot at me. If you like, I'll post up the PDF from their declaration that I don't have to pay taxes on the amount and had it reduced to zero. I actually have the paper from them backing off on my wall framed.

Ah wait, now I see, you were trying to use the fact that I'm 26 to make it seem like I don't know what I'm talking about. Except one of us owns a profitable business in the US and one of us doesn't. One of us actually has to worry about about the IRS coming and taking things of value from us. I'm glad your trailer is mobile, and proud of you for it, but my business can't pick up and move that easily, thusly I have to actually worry about dealing with the IRS like a normal American.

As for laying out $10 grand on Corpus Juris Secundum? Are you nuts? If you've just got $10,000 laying around the house you feel you can blow on a set, feel free to buy it and send it my way. Or even buy a copy and post a copy up on the internet of you with it and prove it.

As for me and the attempted character assassination here, or the assumption that all people under the age of 30 don't know what they're talking about:

You're an idiot and obviously failed to notice the number of entrepreneurs in my age group.

I've owned my own business since I was 22. I don't know what you were doing with your time at my age, but the chemical effects may have rotted your brain. While you're on the internet scamming people into going toe to toe with the IRS without the actual tools to do so, I'm employing people. My work keeps people safe against hazardous gases. What do you do with your day that brings value to the community?

So feel free South, I'm a fairly open book. In fact, you can stop by my office anytime in Livonia, MI and I'll make coffee. Just look up Ideal Calibrations. Feel free to post some details from your life if you have the sack to do so.

Eric Hoffer (pseudonym, for those too slow to realize a handle with the name of the long shoreman philosopher probably isn't the guy's real name)

You don't know when to quit, do you Hoffer?

You said:

"Except one of us owns a profitable business in the US and one of us doesn't. One of us actually has to worry about about the IRS coming and taking things of value from us. I'm glad your trailer is mobile, and proud of you for it, but my business can't pick up and move that easily, thusly I have to actually worry about dealing with the IRS like a normal American."

I guess the one who owns a profitable business is you, because I don't own one ......... I own three. Been in business for myself since the age of 19; I'm almost 50 now.

I'm just as at risk as you are with respect to the IRS; the difference is, I know the LAW and you do not. You sound as if you're a little worried/scared of the IRS; scared they might take something of value from you? That's typical of someone who doesn't know the law well enough to protect themselves from the extortionist.

Nope, don't have a trailer, but do have a shop where I produce my product line; an internet site where I sell my product line, and a shipping dept. that sends out my products 6 days a week. I've had close to 50 magazine articles written on my product line over the past 20 years, and I currently have 23 dealers worldwide that carry products from THAT lineup.

The cheapest product in my lineup is $930.00 USD, and my cost for mfg. that product is $127.00 USD. I have bank accounts; a merchant account where I accept credit card sales from my sites 24/7.

No, I do not send in a 1040 gift tax form to the IRS every year; haven't done so for 20 years. I don't like giving my money away, apparently you do; that's your business.

I also own a successful internet site that brings in a pretty chunk of change every week in membership dues and click add revenue, and own another small business that manufactures certain parts for the ******** industry, in which I currently have 11 dealers world wide.

No Hoffer, I do not care to make my personal profile and personal business available on this forum; I do like a certain amount of anonymity; not because I'm afraid of the IRS, but rather, It is none of your business, and what happens on the internet stays on the internet. Why would I want to leave a paper trail for all of posterity to follow me in my personal life as you have done?

Do that many people need gas detection devices, that you feel the need to advertise here? Or are you trying to show off and teach an old man just how prosperous you are?

Just because I do not wish to share my company name; personal name; websites; make my business address available to the people on this forum, does not mean they do not exist, or the information I share is any less reputable.

You should give the people your home telephone number and address while you're at it, idiot.

South...

Easy bro don't let the BARfly get to you. He's done a good job of convincing you he's just an innocent non-researcher. He's NOT.