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judge forcing nevada debate to include kucinich
Submitted by johnpp2 on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 22:30
A judge in Nevada is threatening to halt the broadcast of the debate in Nevada if Kucinich is excluded. Where was this guy when WE needed him? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/14/politics/main37126... » |
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MUTANY
There are so many things going on that just makes you want to scream:
1) The idea that after over 8 years of _proven_ vote fraud we are still using those corrupt machines.
2) Bush and his cronies are still free and have not been thrown in prison for their obvious crimes.
3) Blatant FCC violations by Murdock and others.
What the F! Where are the trial lawyers? Where are the charges? I am SCREAMING MUTANY and I want to march into Washington and TAKE THEM DOWN NOW!
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
SO agree with you!
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"The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government". ~ Founding Fathers
using the courts
No matter how this years election winds up this is where the battle needs to be shifted, we are not winning in the voting booth so we have to win in the courts using huge class action lawsuits that are funded with money raised on the internet.
Nothing Resembling a Monopoly?
Give me a break. Rupert Murdock has cornered the 'opinion' market if you haven't noticed. Also, an agenda driven minority seems to have a great deal of influence over what we see and think as well. Nobody said anything about government intervention/control of the media (it's already there), I was actually suggesting that we call a spade a spade and make the changes ourselves (through activism and our own media). You suggest things are just fine. I disagree. The media is systematically being consolidated and we remain oblivious to how this facilitates our slavery. We need to be realists, not puritans.
What's Ron Paul going to say Devon? "IT'S A CONSPIRACY! -- THE MEDIA IS A TOOL FOR THE FASCIST/ZIONISTS AND THEY WANT ME SILENCED!"
The media sucks and needs a lesson in objectivity. Fringe elements exist among us, and a war against our way of life (and against everything we hold dear) is raging on as we speak. These fringe elements have a stranglehold on us through the media, is this a secret? Am I out to lunch here?
Ideology has it's place, as does reality-based-activism.
Let's step up to the plate!
I got right thru on the NBC phone number listed a few comments down and was put thru to a machine to leave a message.
Reading comments on dailypaul, it is very evident that a whole lot of people like DK. I also know there are plenty of people who do not. There are things that make me not want to vote to put him in the White House, but still many other things I do like about him.
HOWEVER, what makes him stand out from the other dem candidates is that he wants to END THE IRAQ WAR.
If he can show the others for what they are in their debates, which he is very good at, and if he does not get the democratic nomination, where would his supporters' votes go? Who is the other anti-Iraq war candidate that stands out??
Also, after the unfair treatment RP has received, maybe he would be proud of us for standing up for DK, too.
We need to send a message to these media bullies.
(Let's keep it clean, though)
NICE
REVOLUTION!
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Why isn't Clinton, Obama & Edwards supporting democracy
One of these candidates should support democracy by refusing to attend the debate if Kucinich is not invited. They should support Democracy and the 1st Admendment. It would be great political move if Edwards were to make such an announcment, since he is the one who is truly fighting corportism. (If NBC does not agree, then he still show up at the last minute).
glmeadors
I cant BELIEVE anyone would support the news stations right to
do this to Dennis.... What if the situation was reversed (which it could very well be in the near future) and Ron Paul is not allowed to be on any News Station debate...
Anyone who is really VALID or a nation candidate should be included...
if the bar is to be set to exclude someone, it should be pretty damn low... sure every TOM DICK AND HARRY who is running for President should not be allowed, but anyone with name recognition and say above 1% should be allowed...
Easy to say the News Stations are private and have the right... except when the shoe is on the other foot.
WE SHOULD SUPPORT DENNIS ALL THE WAY or else we are hypocrits ourselves - DEVON!!!!
I support the right to exclude Paul
I support a free press, as guaranteed in the Constitution. I don't like that Fox excluded Paul from one of their debates, but I vehemently support their right to do it. Government should not control the press.
The American People Own the Airwaves, not Corporations!
The Federal Communication Commission (FCC) licenses private broadcast companies for the privilege of using the public airwaves. The FCC is suppose to protect the public and oversee diversity in broadcasting.
The sad thing is that since the Telecommunications Act of 1996, corporate mergers and acquisitions have taken over the freedom of unfettered media and created a monopoly for special interest groups. The free press is dying in America!
(ref: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1823)
so they can control what we see at their own wish ?
that is not a free press for heaven's sake. you need to draw the line somewhere, excluding presidential candidates (kucinich, paul) is not free press, it is corporate-media dictatorship ,manufacturing consent, manipulating public opinion for their very own private interests. we don't need that.
wow
An old school libertarian. Don't see many of these anymore. I agree with Devon on this issue 100 percent.
but government DOES control the press right now Devon.
and they are infringing on my right to a free and open election.
I think you are right in theory, but not in practice.
Ok
But please make a phone call, anyway.
Thanks
Lets help him out
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=1480
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/13/msnbc-uninvites-kuc...
NBC changed their guide line from top 4 to top 3 candidates after another CFR Richardson dropped out of race.
PHONE NBC & the DNC- LET DENNIS DEBATE
- 50 thousand phone calls and 100 thousand emails in 3 days!
PHONE NBC- 212 664 4444
email them @ letters@msnbc.com
SUBJECT LINE: LET DENNIS DEBATE
PHONE the DNC: 202 863 8000
email them through their website
http://www.democrats.org
NBC isn't going to cooperate.
I saw the article. The District Judge has ordered that Kucinich be allowed to particpate in the Tuesday debates.
Now here's the bad news. NBC isn't going to cooperate. They just issued a release saying that they "disagree" with the judges ruling, and are sending up an appeal of the case up to the Nevada Supreme Court.
Story: http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=7623997&nav=9qrx
So the debate will proceed without Dennis Kucinich, while NBC is jumping through absurd hoops now all just to ban Kucinich from participating, contrary to legal ruling. The Nevada Supreme Court will be on the side of the Corporations. It's no secret just who is going to win that (2nd appeal) decision. Even if the Nevada Supreme Court did uphold the District Court ruling, as we saw in 2000, NBC would only then turn to Bush's buddies on the U.S. Supreme Court to get their way and ban Kucinich. Welcome to the land of the free -- not!
Unfortunately, Kucinich is still going to be banned from the debate.
At some point (and sooner rather than later), they are going to ban Ron Paul with the same tactics as well.
Their agenda has been made clear.
You're on the wrong side
If you support Paul's libertarian message then you should be supporting NBC's freedom the press against government control.
It's because Dennis was uninvited...
The lawsuit is about the Breach of Contract. Dennis was invited and then uninvited. Essentially Dennis planned his calendar and spent his time and money scheduling around this. Now, having to reschedule and organize he has a monetary loss because he'll have to re-do flight arrangements, hotels, move staff around, etc.
If Kucinich was never invited in the first place it would be a different story. Good on the judge for enforcing a contract rule.
The big part of the Libertarian message is contracts. After all, it is the agreements and contracts between private groups for services that enable us to be free of government.
I think the basis on which he sued was breach of contract
Not questioning freedom of the press
Pure Nonsense.
To let Corporations control which candidates can be heard from, and which candidates cannot be heard from, completely violates every component of a fair election process and equal protection under the law.
NBC is not just some "private" Corporation here.
They control the public airwaves (our airwaves) which were conceived on behalf of the public interest and belong to us.
This is a totalitarian model to have an elite Corporate aristocracy decide who the acceptable candidates are and pre-emptively disqualify the rest.
Freedom means having free elections.
Free elections means public debates and public airwaves are accessible to all.
Letting Corporate Elites decide our elections is not freedom.
This is tyranny.
Thank you!
If DK were to be allowed to debate...then all the Obama Supporters could possibly wake from their blind faith support! Oh no...that possiblity would create 2 revolutions! That would be very upsetting i think...
Eliminate the public airwaves
Paul is in favor of totally privatizing the airwaves, abolishing the FCC, and getting rid of the whole notion of "public airwaves." If you're for the socialist model of public ownership, maybe you should be supporting Kucinich instead of Paul.
No
You are misrepresenting Ron Paul's views.
Ron Paul is well aware that our Media has been completely monopolized by just 3 or 4 Corporations that creates a Totalitarian model of Broadcast News.
He is well aware that this is an anthema to freedom that has handicapped his own campaign very directly.
Ron Paul does not support Monopolies or "big Media". His ideology favoring "privatization" is an abstract ideal that does not in any way reflect what is going on right now today. For today, we have public airwaves that are then seized upon and censored by a Corporate Elite that works in collusion with the CIA and the Military-Coporate super state.
That is, in fact, a fascist, totalitarian model, and it is operates completely against the concept of a free society and free elections.
You cannot support a Corporate aristocrasy over society (NBC) and then call that freedom. It is both repression and oppression.
Let me get this straight..
You claim that government has control of the media to manipulate us, and then you want more government to come in and control the media? Think about how absurd that is.
Read the Constitution. The U.S. is supposed to have a free press with no government interference.
More nonsense.
If you can't have an intellectually honest argument, then don't even bother to begin with.
I never at any time claimed that "the government" controls the Media.
Corporate Monopolies control the media, and they totally abuse what are defined today as the public airwaves (which were constructed on behalf of the public interest).
Whether or not you agree with this model or not, it is what exists today and it is a form of fascism/corporatism that is an affront to our freedom and obstructs fair elections.
I agree that we should have a "free press". However, that does not exist today, and the monopolization of the media is not free press at all here -- it is the opposite..
Until the Monopolies are completely busted up and dissolved, then you need to have some sort of broadcast fairness regulations enforced to prevent this Elite Aristocrisy (Corporate Monopoly) from imposing their will on our Elections.
Fascism/Corporatism is a Totalitarian model.
You shouldn't be defending NBC, you should be demanding that Big Media be busted up (and, yes, only the government can do that).
Ayn Rand has the same views
I'm just in the process reading her book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal . She has a chapter where she advocates the same view!
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You're wrong...
Ron Paul does not support Monopolized control of the media. If you think we are going to win without confronting these entities that wish to silence those opposed to their agenda, I suggest you wake up. This shift (in ideology) is not going to be like switching a light-bulb on or off, it is going to require maintaining integrity while operating within the illegal system which oppresses us. If you respect CBS's decision than you are taking the good doctor a bit too seriously. He wants us to fight media bias...of this I am certain.
There is nothing resembling
monopolized control of the the media. As Paul himself said in the latest interview with Bill Moyers, there is more competition in the media today than ever before. There should be no government control of the media. The only regulator should be the market.
Nothing resembling a Monopoly?
Give me a break. Rupert Murdock has cornered the 'opinion' market if you haven't noticed. Also, an agenda driven minority seems to have a great deal of influence over what we see and think as well. Nobody said anything about government intervention/control of the media (it's already there), I was actually suggesting that we call a spade a spade and make the changes ourselves (through activism and our own media). You suggest things are just fine. I disagree. The media is systematically being consolidated and we remain oblivious to how this facilitates our slavery. We need to be realists, not puritans.
What's Ron Paul going to say Devon? "IT'S A CONSPIRACY! -- THE MEDIA IS A TOOL FOR THE FASCIST/ZIONISTS AND THEY WANT ME SILENCED!"
The media sucks and needs a lesson in objectivity. Fringe elements exist among us, and a war against our way of life (and against everything we hold dear) is raging on as we speak. These fringe elements have a stranglehold on us through the media, is this a secret? Am I out to lunch here?
Ideology has it's place, as does reality-based-activism.
agreed..
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