Need assistance with a responseSubmitted by DebasedCurrency on Wed, 10/17/2012 - 12:56
I need help formulating an answer. My brain is just overloaded. Sometimes, it is too damn hard to get people to understand without a significant amount of evidence at hand. We here at the DP can agree that our fellow americans have been led astray, some more than others, by their schooling, and the media propaganda, but it would be foolishly offensive to call them that, and think it will lead to a civil engagement of ideas. I believe patience in explaining will eventually pay off. What we're experiencing when we try to talk the truth is what Yuri Bezmenov would call a completed process of demoralization. When they finally "wake-up" to the reality of the situation, it is quite a shocking experience to get over, and takes many months to come to terms with, but until then, cognitive dissonance has a firm grasp.
The following conversation is from FB. I apologize in advance for the big blocks of text. It's a copy/paste job. The topic was created by my little sister on her FB page. I'm mainly concerned with responding to my Uncle who comes in at the end.
*Names are withheld and replaced for privacy*
Little Sister: "You think if we all on our ballots just wrote in Ron Paul's name it would count. I mean if the majority of us did it, wouldn't they have to take that into consideration?"
Me: "Some states will count write in votes, some will not. Unfortunately, New York is one of those states that will not be counting them this year. Many hundreds of thousands of people from all across the nation will be writing in Ron Pauls name. He was my first choice too, but Gary Johnson of the Libertarian party will be getting my vote this time 'round. The GOP dun goofed!"
Aunt 1: "There is little doubt that the presidential election is between Obama and Romney. Sending your votes towards someone that really does not have a chance to win will mean that Obama will most likely win. Is having Obama another 4 years worth the point you would like to make? Think about it. The presidential election is not won by the popular vote. It is won by the electoral college. Please, please, please find out how the election is counted and rethink your vote before Obama wins again."
Stranger: "If it did count...it would be HILLARY for me girl !!!!"
Me: "Hi Auntie 1, if enough people wasted their vote on the Libertarian party candidate this time 'round, then it wouldn't be a wasted vote, he would actually win! Besides, voting your conscience is never a wasted vote. Among the things that I consider to be most important concerning politics, I hold that breaking the back of this two party system to be one of the most important. Step back, and take a long view of the situation. Four more years of Barrack Obama with a Republican controlled Congress countering him, and an even greater constitutionally-minded populace scrutinizing his every move, or a potential eight of Mitt Romney with that same Congress at his back, and those same aforementioned people looking the other way? I proclaim that more damage can be done under Mitt Romney than under Barrack Obama. At least with a second Obama term we would have an opportunity in 2016 to elect a true constitutionally-minded candidate to office. In any case, here's what we can expect from either of the two puppets: more centralization of power, a further loss of civil liberties, a growing police state, a growing surviellance state, a massive depreciation in the value of the dollar, usurpation of sovereignty to the United Nations, more war, more foreign interventions, ballooning budgetary deficits, the economic quagmire to continue, more crony capitalism(fascism), and etc. etc., and other equally important issues too numerous to list. I implore everyone to turn off their propanganda spewing glowbox, and go in search of the truth. FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are not your friends. This country has been hijacked, and it's not just the Democrats who've done it. The evidence is overwhelming, and it isn't a recent development. The strategy has been to divide, and conquer. Have you read the Declaration of Independence recently? We would do well to revisit history, for it is only through knowing where we've been that we can determine where we're going. The largest hurdle to overcome is apathy. I can give anyone the resources they'll need to help them better understand the reality of the situtaion, all you have to do is ask. If you do decide to "take the red pill" be prepared to do quite a bit of studying. Oh yes, I almost forgot to mention the electoral college, and since you brought it up I may as well touch on it. I understand how our president is ultimately chosen, and it was intended to be a safeguard against a general public that could be manipulated through manufactured opinion. It is important to note that the word democracy does not appear even once in the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence, and that is simply because we have a Republic. It is a fact that the founders absolutely hated true democracies, or what would otherwise be called mob rule, and that is because the rights of the individual are supposed to be protected against the tyranny of the majority. I've been studying plenty of history over the last few years. Btw, I don't necessarily think you need a history lesson Aunt 1, so this is not really intended for you, but for anyone who doesn't know, or may not understand. The electoral college, and the Republican form of government, in general, only works if it is not corrupted. Unfortunately for us, we have total system failure, and I blame that on lack of education, and a fourth estate that's been corrupted into not doing its proper job. Fortunately for us we have the internet."
Aunt 2: "In other words, our individual opinions or wants mean nothing! I wanted Hillary also!!"
Me: "Sorry to tell you Auntie, but Hitlery is a CFR globalist through and through."
Aunt 2: "Sorry dear Nephew. I agree with *stranger*. MY opinion has not changed,She was still the better democratic candiidate last election- I think she would have made a great ALL around president for the GREAT USA!"
Aunt 3: "*Me* for President!!! lol"
Aunt 2: "Go get em *Me*!!"
Me: "I'm going to attend my local commttee precinct meetings, and where it goes from there is anyone's guess... ?"
Aunt 2: "Good luck to you."
Aunt 1: "The history lesson is good but the election is in a few weeks. Unfortunately, the election is between two people no matter what we would like it to be. The reality is that in spite of how you feel, you need to pick one-Romney or Obama because one of them will win and if you vote for someone else because you feel that change is needed, your pick between the two may be the loser. Education of the election process and wishful thinking does not erase the fact that the president will be either Obama or Romney. You get hung up on theories and wishful thinking to really see what is in front of you. This process is corrupt and unfair and all the deep thinking will not change that this election is between Obama and Romney so people need to pick a side."
Me: "I'll be voting for neither of the two. Anyone else is entitled to do as they wish. I do appreciate the fact that you are concerned for the future of your country, and are speaking out in an attempt to change it for the better. Our goal is the same, we just have differing theories pertaining to the solution. I reject the notion that if I don't vote for Romney that I'm voting for the eventual winner Obama. My vote is what it is, FOR something, not against someone. I could easily turn the table, and say that since i'm not voting for Obama, it's kinda like I'm voting for Romney. Same difference. You know the old saying, "the lesser of two evils is still evil"."
Aunt 1: "You are sooooo right but there is also another saying- "you can't see the forest for the trees". This system is more than ridiculous, but it is what we are stuck with - like it or not. Life is full of picking between two evils. You just need to decide which evil will be more in line with how you live."
Uncle 1: "I am a business person and I run a business. I create jobs and yes - I did it myself. If the US government was a household, you would be making 50K a year, spending 75K and adding 25K to the already 2.5 million in debt as you sign for a 19 million mortgage. Think about the numbers. To say Obama and Romney are the same is ridiculous. One believes that goverment is the answer and the other thinks that the private sector is the answer. The US government is the largest business and the president has never run a business. His opponent has never been anything but a success in the business world. There are many problems in this world and I agree with everything that you listed. The focus for this election should be on the number one issue - JOBS. We need more people working and paying taxes and less people collecting off the taxpayers. The choice is clear to me and it is not what we have now - we need change. I respect your beliefs but to write in Ron Paul or Gary Johnson only makes the possibility of four more years of the same. Big changes will start with a change in presidents. There is only one possibility for president that is not Obama. A vote for anything other than Romney will mean four more years of the same."
Me: "Hi Uncle 1, I understand your sentiments. I wish I had more time to respond to them right now. I will address these issues soon enough. Aunt 1 will let you know when I respond. It may take several days since I'll be busy with work. Of course, I'll need adequate time to formulate a response too. I've always thought that the written form of communication is much more effective to properly articulate beliefs. Of recent, Its been my wish to see debates, for any office, not in oral form, but in written form. Imagine how much more insight we'd gain from a potential candidate. It would take all the superficiality out of the equation. It would require actual substance to participate. In any case, I look forward to it. We need not come to the same conclusion, but at least we'll hopefully educate some people in the process."
Uncle 1: "You can't change it all, keep it simple, make one change in november then two changes next time and so on. Remember when you talk to me you are preaching to the choir."
???How would you respond to my Uncle???
I'll be back in a little bit to see what kinds of things ya'll come up with. I'm figuring that this sort of thing would be, at the very least, somewhat interesting for some of you.