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New World Order/Illuminati

I've seen a lot of people mention the NWO and Illuminati on here a lot. I've always believed this was hogwash/fear propaganda but I must admit it is intriguing when you start to connect the dots.... However it still sounds crazier to believe that a secret society controls our entire military and Government than that Al Queda did 9/11.

I'd like to know what you believe about the NWO, Who is the NWO? Educate me.

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Whether you believe it's a

Whether you believe it's a secret group or just some rich assholes, the solution is the same. We must change the zeitgeist and break the spell on people. It's not hard, most people are good.

The story goes something like this ...

... the very nature of a secret society is that it is, by definition, secret. Therefore, we can only piece together bits and pieces. Here is one way to look at it:

Back in the day, say 100,000 years ago, humans were nomads following the herds. Although there were tribes with leaders and followers, everyone was focused on survival (mainly, eating and making babies).

Then, about 10,000+ years ago, some humans landed in the Fertile Crescent -- modern day Iraq, but back then it was lush and not a desert. Every kind of crop prospered and large animals (oxen) did, too. This allowed for the invention of agriculture and animal husbandry, which meant not everyone within the society had to worry about eating.

This lead to division of labor. Some people bacame carpenters, some became teachers, some became priests, and some became robbers. The robbers discovered it was easier to invade other villages than to grow their own crops. Eventually, these robbers figured it was even better to promise "protection" (sort of like the Mafia) rather than having to fight all the time. This was the birth of government, which led to the nation state.

Throughout most of history, the vast majority of humans could not read. They didn't know what the Bible said, or ancient Greek texts, or anything else, so they had to rely on others (i.e. clergymen, philosophers, etc.). Eventually, some of these clergymen discovered that they could manipulate and lie to people about what the gods (or God) said or about anything else. These people figured out how human psychology works and how to manipulate the human mind.

This type of information was passed down from generation to generation, but only to select individuals who were on the inside. The two power centers of most people's lives were religion and state. Both of these entities figure out how to manipulate people.

In 1440, the printing press was invented, and suddenly Western Europe was flooded with books. People learned to read, and they discovered the truth was not necessarily what they were told. As the Renaissance unfolded, more and more people became knowledgable about the world.

But people who like to manipulate and who like to be parasites at the expense of everyone else, don't like people to have knowledge. So, secret societies developed to pass information to insiders.

The English Church delcared that usury was against the church rules, which is why the Jews, who followed a different doctrine, became the bankers. Likewise, certain religious ideas were banned, such as Paganism. But that didn't mean those people just gave up. Instead, they formed groups to hide their true nature. They wanted to continue with their beliefs, their secret information, or whatever, but they did so under cover of a different type of organization.

This is where the Freemasons came in. They were supposedly just a group of journeymen (it was illegal for some people to start their own business but they could become journeymen -- the only other alternative was a serf, which is to say slave). The Freemasons were both an organization to promote the carpentry trade and a secret society to promote other causes -- but only for the true insiders.

In 1776, in Bavaria, Germany, an organization was created called the Illuminati. It is well known how they structured their organization and what they were really up to because the place where all their papers were stored was raided. A law was passed making their organization illegal, as well as other "similar" organizations such as the Freemasons (why would the Freemasons be outlawed if they were only about building houses?).

Fast forward to the early 20th Century. Cecil Rhodes was an Englishman with inside contacts. He was appointed the Governor of South Africa (basically, the president of the English colony). Somehow, some way, he became the owner of most of the gold mines and diamond mines in South Africa. Nobody knows for sure, but he may have been the richest man who ever lived.

Rhodes believed that the English were some sort of superior breed (kind of like Hitler thought of the Arians). When Rhodes died, he left wills/trusts that left his fortune for several purposes. One was the Rhodes Scholarship Fund, which would find intelligent students who would ultimately be recruited towards making England the dominant nation on Earth. His other trusts were to set up and fund an orgainziation similar to the Illuminati. He liked the way the Illumiati was structured and wrote about it in his memoirs.

The end result is that these vast fortunes were used to eventually finance organziations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, several simliar organizations in other countries, and the United Nations.

We know they have done this because they themselves have written about it, and also Carrol Quigley wrote two books about it. He was hired to be their historian, to look through their secret papers and organize them so that the modern day members would better undertand the people who came before them and set up their organizations.

Enter Rockefeller. Especially, John D. Rockefeller's sons and grandsons, who inherited another great fortune. They took Rhode's idea and changed it from English world domination to a one world government where a small group of people would rule over everyone else.

Now, ask yourself a question. What do you think about Paris Hilton? She inherited a lot of money. She has never had to work a day in her life. She can live the good life no matter what. Does money mean much of anything to her? And what does she choose to do with her life? She wants fame and to be "hot."

What would you do if you never had to worry about having enough money to have anything you wanted? There are people in this world who are also born with a silver spoon in their mouths, have never had to work a day in their lives, and find it of interest to think up ways to "engineer society." And they recruit many others, whether it be through the Rhodes Scholarship, Ivy League schools, the intelligence community (CIA), or big business (Herman Cain went to work for Pillsbury for a reason, etc.).

Today, it is the secret Mafia. Certain members are "made." There are people at the top (the godfathers), and most of the people who carry out the agenda don't even know they are part of a bigger, sinister plot (this is due to the organizational structure, which was modeled after the Illuminati).

So, there are people out there promoting an agenda that they try not to talk about too much in public. But they write papers and have meetings and it is partially in the open, but not completely. This is by design.

Is there an "Illuminati" today? Probably not, at least not by that name. But are there organizations that do similar things under different names? Of course, there are.

In David Rockefeller's own words: "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

So, wake up. Smell the coffee. Figure it out.

Illuminati & Mason Conspiracy the 1770-1830 equivalent of today

Illuminati was a real group along with several other similar groups mentioned by the founding fathers and other media at that time. The only thing legendary about them is how large they were, if they still exist, in another form, who were behind them, etc.

They were a real group and seem to be proto-communists, proto-zionists. You can read historic documents and books about them from 200+ years ago.

They also were related to the masons, and there was also a verified mason conspiracy in the 1830s that led to the anti-mason party, which one of our presidents even participated in and wrote a book on the subject. Before that, the illumanti were viewed as real, but no longer existing,and the mason connection was just "conspiracy theory", until it popped out in a murder case and coverup. Well documented.

So from 1770 or so to 1830s, the Illuminati and Mason conspiracy was for that time what you see today online for other things. It was a real conspiracy, involving real documented groups and murders - and took awhile to get out.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Someone else just posted an

Someone else just posted an impressive list of sources for the anti-mason part of this in just the last day on DP:


Likewise, there is plenty of history behind the first part, more towards the 1770s-1800s.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I started learning about NWO

From David Icke's "And the world shall set you free..." last year which was actually published during the first Clinton administration & I could see how all his research just set the stage for 9/11 & dub-ya being in office, almost prophetic. The Clintons, the Bush family, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, JP Morgan, Saudi Royals, British Royals, they control it all. Some of what Icke says in other works about reptilians is pretty out there & I can't bring myself to believe that...Read also Fritz Springmeier, he has some PDFs online like "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" & lots of YouTube videos. Some of it is pretty old b/c he was exposing too much & got thrown in jail over some trumped up charges & just got out. All those facts point to it being pretty legit in my opinion...

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google all of the dual citizenships...

of the people HIGH UP in our government

notice that ALL of the DUAL citizenships come from ONE other country

zionism controls America...

welcome to the rLOVEution!

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9/11 Truth.


Corrupt neo-feudal corporatocratic world-governing oligarchy.

What would the Founders do?

These videos will explain it you

The "Explanation" videos really opened my mind to the NWO/illuminati. The creator of these videos does the best job I've seen or heard so far explaining this.

Illuminati Symbolism-Logos& hidden symbols Pt 1

Illuminati Symbolism-Logos& hidden symbols Pt 2

The Explanation Pt.1

The Explanation Pt.2

The Explanation Pt.3

The Explanation Pt 4

The Explanation Part Five


The NWO is ALL ABOUT globalism. Globalism is all about internationalism. Internationalism is communism.

Don't blame me for saying this, but international communism goes hand and hand with Judaism, and (GLOBAL) Freemasonry is based on communist Judaism. Judaism = Freemasonry = Commumism = NWO.

The symbol of Freemasonry, the Star of David, and the Communist Red Star are all one in the same international order.

The United Nations is a globalist institution. Since its inception after WW2, the global governing body has been filled with communists. If you don't know about Alger Hiss, you should.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has members from both sides of the political aisles, because they all share the same AGENDA.

Americans have been duped into thinking that communism died way back in the early 1990's when the Berlin Wall fell, and the Soviet Union, "collapsed."

The Soviet Union did not collapse. In fact, after they engineered their own controlled demolition, they gained power within the UN after their satellite states became independent nations with the same agenda, amplifying the Russian influence within the United Nations with more votes.

America's TRUE enemies do not want us to know who exactly the REAL enemy is.

Simply stated...

Russia, China, the United Nations, and every liberal in the US Congress and British Parliament all share the same communist international vision of a New World Order without borders.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

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New World Order declared and explained by Bush 9/11/1991


does the date seem familiar?

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.


The actual date is January 21, 1991 during George Bush's State to the Union address.


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This was a special address at the start of Desert Storm

I just went by the date on the video which I think has the year wrong. Anyway, I'm a girl, Sir :)

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

BUMP (Secret)



Biblical Stories that May have a Different Meaning

The Bible hints in Genesis that humans were GENETICALLY altered in the Garden of Eden story. Prior to the alteration they were more highly evolved and communicated consciously with God in the Earth Garden of Eden. After the alteration they were cut off from their prior highly evolved ability to communicate with God and told to live on the land and multiply.

There is also mention of "confounding their language" so that they could not advance in evolution. The language may mean the language of "genes". There is also mention of so called "angels" mating with the daughters of men. It suggests off world entities of some kind that created a hybrid race by mating with humans.

There is proof all over the Earth that off world entities have visited and lived on Earth, and were viewed like gods. Only now do some of the stories and graphics take on different meaning viewed through the eyes of modern technology.

A power/control group has been trying to rule the world throughout recorded history, since Biblical times. They feel ENTITLED to rule the world. They regard the people masses as inferior creatures that exist only to do their bidding and provide for their needs. Their Attitude? Kissinger - “The military are dumb animals to be used for political gain.” Rockefeller - “We want WORKERS, not thinkers”.

They are an OLD order. They are the Pharaohs, kings, queens, lords, ladies, Hitler, Rothschilds, Rockefellers and so many more, seeking only wealth and power, without respect, compassion, or regard for human suffering, intent on reducing population down to a small controlled group that will SERVE them. They have also always been very careful to preserve their blood line and genetic line, even to the point of intermarriage within families.

This group who want to rule the world remain the SAME throughout history, focused on ego, sex, power, control, acquiring wealth and possessions, seeking to make the masses their servants and slaves.

The world is about to go forward to a higher level of evolution, and that old level of ego power-control can no longer survive in the new world that IS emerging.

Good post


Hope Your Last Line

...is true. A few of your posts remind me "a lot" of a book I have read for years, but don't like to mention .


There are many books that speak of these matters.

Many in the world have already evolved beyond ego gratification and sensuality pursuits that characterize the power and control personality of those who wish to rule the world. This group would like to keep humanity at a lower energy level by media propaganda and low intellect television broadcasts into every home.

Humanity evolves in spite of their efforts. Most young people no longer bother watching TV. It is too ridiculous and aimed at a low intelligence. As the caveman could not exist in modern civilization, nor will the power control group survive in a more evolved higher energy higher intelligence civilization.

It is the young that understand Ron Paul and who see right through the shallow level of intellect in the latest candidates, and see right through the lies and propaganda.

In Liberty

Which Is Exactly Why

...I find recent exchanges with jrd3820 a lot more interesting and encouraging than most of the pursuit of the next round candidates posts which seem to be so prevalent on the DP right now.

I remember playing board games as a child. Once I knew where every move would take me and there were no more surprises or challengers, I lost interest. They became .... tiresome. LOL.

Thanks for your reply. And, yes. This experimental planet gets a lot of help notwithstanding free will is never interfered with. There is apparently a lot of faith in our ability to eventually evolve. In the meantime stars are best seen on a dark background. Our eventual evolvement will be quite a story, as we move individually as well as in group formation toward good overcoming error. Thanks for your reply.


Yes the rehash of ego mind level candidates and the

same old election process wears thin. Not much faith in it. Ron Paul was NOT a mind ego candidate. How refreshing RP has been in the midst of these silly smiling people who only mouth meaningless words.

Re - Free will is never interfered with, BUT...they will advise if you ask.

Yes, re: free will

One of the most significant experiences I have ever had came in a crisis when a friend handed me a book he thought would help. He said, "don't believe a word in it." Simple words. Major paradigm shift.

You don't have to be Catholic to have a guilt over new information issue as a block to being teachable and growing as we are all meant to do. Usually when someone hands you a book of a spiritual nature (and this was essentially Christian, but different) they get on a pedestal and preach what you should believe...what is right and wrong. Instead this person just said, "ignore anything that doesn't ring true, consider something you read that makes your truth bells go off."

That exchange set me free. I've been teachable ever since (although with healthy skepticism and some degree of experiential wisdom or grace). Changed my life. I have gained much insight that I would call advise (directly and indirectly) and that most definitely was through grace as I hadn't earned it except through being open to new thinking and 'teachable." Figure "teachable" serves us well throughout eternity. (Sorry Deists and Socialists..don't mean to offend.Ignore or vote down...LOL. To each his own. Peace.)


I don't buy the Illuminati/NWO stuff...

because the elites already exert their influence on our government out in the open with lobbying, fiat money, special interest pandering, and so-called "free trade" organizations.

IMO, most of these conspiracy theories are just an overcomplicated method of explaining away the corruption and bloat that we all see every day.

I don't play, I commission the league.

This is a long and convoluted subject....

....though i do not believe there is a man behind the curtain pulling knobs; there are indeed groups of very rich and powerful with over-laying interests. some of these groups work in concert with each other when it is in their mutual interest, and at the very least tolerate each others' activities - until it proves not to be in their interests.

what are their interests?

- power
- anthropological dominance (survival)
- money
- eugenics (reducing population by ANY means)
- resources

major players?

- bloodlines of europe (also found in the u.s.)
- the extremely wealthy
- the politically influential
- central bankers
- secret societies (bildeberg,skull&bones, fabians, masons, etc)

Three major books on the subject that I HIGHLY recommend that will give you an in-depth of the inner workings of many of the above subjects:

1. The Creature from Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin
2. The Road to Socialism, by Cuddy, PhD
3. The Shadows of Power, by James Perloff

Please read those three and then you will have an idea of how psychopathic humanity can become when one's addiction is power and money. To "them", we're insects.

Book 4.

The Unseen Hand, by Ralph Epperson

Is there really even any

Is there really even any doubt anymore that the NWO is alive and well? After all, Bush Sr. wasn't exactly covert about this goal.

Today, the NWO and Illuminati refer to the same thing...

It's a general label given to a group of people working in the shadows of society to manipulate the masses for the purpose of control.

The original Illuminati means, "the illuminated" or "the enlightened" which consisted of highly intelligent people, such as philosophers, artists, poets, etc. who were aware of Universal principles and Truths that the Religious Establishment of that era considered blasphemy thus forcing the group to remain "underground". Eventually, the members of the illuminati began using this sacred knowledge for manipulation purposes rather than enlightening the public and holding this said Knowledge to themselves thus tarnishing the "Illuminati" name just like many other examples throughout history.

Thanks to the internet, this Knowledge is coming to light. Quantum Science is helping humanity to finally understand ancient texts and teachings and is finding that they had such sophisticated knowledge that only today are being validated with scientific study. THIS is the Catalyst to the defeat of today's NWO or "Old World Order" as their secrets are now becoming public information available to the World.

This is why there is such a big attempt to censor the internet and put in forms of controlling its "free flow". It has nothing to do with protecting us from "cyber attacks" or keeping porn away from children or whatever.

But it's already too late. Too many know too much. And you can't unknow what you KNOW.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

The Establishment's new world

The Establishment's new world order is a collectivist concept.

It is indeed an old world order

that has been trying to rule the planet for a long time. See my post above about the Bible. Too many are stuck in their interpretation based on how the Church has interpreted the writings. It has more meaning viewed through the eyes of modern technology.

In the end it becomes irrelevant. It is a group stuck at a lower evolutionary level and they will not fit in the new Earth energy. This emphasis on power and control over others is a negative entity trait. Positive energy allows others their own choices. God creator gave choice to follow a positive or negative path of evolution. I choose love over fear.

"I choose love over fear."

What a fantastic personal revelation that is, to choose to LIVE in a state of LOVE rather than participating in the perpetuation of Fear! A man named Jesus told people to "Love unconditionally" but how many "Christians" actually know what that means, let alone how many actually live it in their daily lives? That's where I believe new scientific discoveries will bridge the gap for many "religious" people, hopefully to inspire them to become more Spiritual and less Ritual.

I used to think being an emotionally sensitive man was something to avoid and then it became clear that that "belief" was exactly what I was conditioned to believe. How crazy it is that we have been led away from our human instincts in such a convincing way.

Getting past that False Belief, and now becoming more sensitive to the energetic reality and influences around me, I have found this ineffable resonance with the world. You can't explain it but you sure do feel it. All I can say is I LOVE being HUMAN and being ALIVE to live through this Paradigm Shift as it happens. It's going to be a wild ride and I intend to INSPIRE others to get on board. Some will be stuck in their false beliefs until their next go around and that's ok. They serve a very important purpose to provide a contrasting experience to what Life really IS and could be if one allows it in their experience.

There is no path to LOVE
LOVE IS the path

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Resonate with your perspective.

"Getting past that False Belief, and now becoming more sensitive to the energetic reality and influences around me, I have found this ineffable resonance with the world. You can't explain it but you sure do feel it. All I can say is I LOVE being HUMAN and being ALIVE to live through this Paradigm Shift as it happens.

"It's going to be a wild ride and I intend to INSPIRE others to get on board."
Doing the same every day of my life, and what a ride it is!

It is always difficult to explain this very personal experience of being consciously alive and aware at this time, and I am meeting so many young people who were born connected. We are witnessing rapid evolution in this lifetime. What a privilege to be here at this time!

Will you be participating in "The Moment" tomorrow???


I'm up in Canada and will be joining in as it happens in Arkansas. Should be an intense experience with so many resonating Love and Peace at one time.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin