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Rand Paul Headed to New Hampshire to Campaign for Mitt Romney

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/politics/2012/10/18/sen-ran...

WASHINGTON – Mitt Romney’s campaign is keeping Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., busy.

Paul this fall has made some solo and joint campaign appearances with Romney and his vice presidential running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc. The Kentucky senator recently campaigned on behalf of the ticket in the battleground state of Ohio.

On Saturday, Paul will be in New Hampshire, the Romney campaign has just announced. The senator is scheduled to speak Saturday afternoon at the “Durham Young Americans Victory Event” at the University of New Hampshire.

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Rand and his father? Please

Rand and his father? Please don't insult Ron. Rand didn't lift a finger to campaign for his father at the crucial state conventions in the months prior to the GOP convention yet he is working overtime to bust his butt for Romney. The Rand apologists should be ashamed for their rationalizations.

HOW TO SPOT AN ESTABLISHMENT CO-OPTER:

1. Their ALISNKYITE name-calling - "Libtards." When ESTABLISHMENT co-opters can't refute any Rand "playin' the game" Paul criticism, they will attempt to FALSELY position the critics as "liberal plants" or "Obama trolls." The same ESTABLISHMENT folks will do this on republican sites to protect ROMNEY!

2. They will attempt to claim Rand "playin' the game" Paul is tightening his super-secret TRAP, that he's going to SPRING ON THE IDIOT, BUMBLING GOP, for 2016 - LAUGHABLE.

3. They will use divisive language like "us" and "them" to divide the Liberty Movement and SHAVE OFF the purists. The same tactic was used to co-opt the Tea Party.

4. (personally, this one I find NAUSEATING) They will attempt to FALSELY bridge Constitutional Libertarian Ron Paul and REPUBLICAN Rand Paul together. Notice the comment "they come crawling back to join us, Rand and his father". Notice how the Establishment co-opter grouped "us," (the co-opters) Rand and Ron together AGAINST "they" (the liberty purists). I hesitate to point this out because it's SO OBVIOUS... but after having my Tea Party movement COMPLETELY CO-OPTED by the SAME ESTABLISHMENT... USING THE SAME PROPAGANDA TACTICS... I simply can't risk NOT pointing it out.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Oh... and...

5. Contradictions. Notice how the Establishment co-opter RIDICULES liberty purists for "crawling" (we never would)... while CHAMPIONING RAND'S "crawling" to the gop!!!!!!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Well said.....Rand betrayed

Well said.....Rand betrayed his father by supporting Romney even before the votes were counted. He also betrayed him by his refusal to lift a finger for Ron at the crucial state conventions. When I pointed this out, his apologists claimed that it was because he was "too busy" in his Senate duties. What do they claim now?

Merriam Webster, Traitor:

one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty.

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Thank you Brother Winston for

Thank you Brother Winston for your observations exposing the Romney trolls. I had a run in with 1777 recently on the same subject. The neocon trolls are easy to spot whereas one will post a pro Rand -- Romney comment and several others will pile on in support.

LOL

And again, there's the irony.

Do you see it this time?

Eric Hoffer

I think we need to work on

I think we need to work on keeping liberty-minded people together, and bringing new people over. Words like "libtard" do nothing but drive people away. Ridiculing people who disagree with you does nothing to help.

For example, looking through your posts, I agree with your general sentiment towards Gary Johnson. I certainly will not be voting for him... HOWEVER I will not ridicule people who will.

End The Fed!
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He's gonna get booed by the faithful

just my prediction

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RON PAUL 2012

As it says in Hosea 8:7

For they [Rand] sow the wind, and they [Rand] shall reap the whirlwind...

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where is gary johnson? everybody is talking about gold

these days. my question to johnson: where the hell are you? http://www.dailypaul.com/259508/question-to-johnson

watch this clip and see every old idiot that used to laugh at paul now agree with him there will be global financial crisis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ8vs1gAOZE&feature=g-u-u so where the fuk is johnson? are you the new idiot? is social issue all you talk about? why don't you at least parrot paul so you look smart down the road? you already missed the 08 housing bubble. you going to miss the next 600lb gorilla too?

Good for Rand. Go Rand

Good for Rand. Go Rand go!

Rand plays nice with evil, while we vote Obama to help Romney lose!!!!

RAND PAUL 2016!

RAND PAUL IS HIS FATHER'S SON--just a little bit more political which is OK by me!

OBAMA 2012! LOL!

His father's son?! Please

His father's son?! Please explain Rand's failure to campaign similarly (heck, lift a finger) at the crucial state conventions.

.

enter exhibit A

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

His Credibility

This is why he has lost ALL credibility with me and why I will NEVER campaigne for him like I have for his father. NEVER!!!!!!!

There is absolutely NO WAY you can support The Constitution and Mitt Romney at the same time!

Bingo.

And now... there's no way to support liberty and Rand "playin' the game" Paul at the same time.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Still waiting

Winston, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you damn Rand Paul for endorsing Romney but you don't damn Ron Paul for endorsing Gingrich and Boehner for Speaker of the House.

Eric Hoffer

HOW TO SPOT AN ESTABLISHMENT CO-OPTER:

1. Establishment co-opters will rehash previously concluded conversations to (A) position their target as evasive or "burned" and (B) spread the same propaganda repeatedly.

2. They will meticulously rummage through Ron Paul's trash, in the hopes of finding ANYTHING... ANYTHING to use to FALSELY position Ron Paul as "just like the rest."

3. They will FALSELY characterize their target as a "Ron Paul can do no wrong" supporter - thus positioning their target's pov as warped or blurred by their IRRATIONAL, undying loyalty to a man.

So... to answer the question AGAIN (risking not repeating VERBATIM my first answer and being labeled "inconsistent" - ANOTHER Establishment tactic)...
Comparing Ron Paul's support of Boehner and Gingrich for Speaker positions... IS NOT IN THE SAME GALAXY AS Rand Paul, endorsing leftist, progressive, Romneycareing, pro-choicing Romney for President of the United States... WHILE REJECTING HIS OWN FATHER'S POPULAR RUN FOR THE SAME POSITION... ON THE FAKE-CONSERVATIVE SEAN HANNITY (an ENEMY of Ron and liberty) SHOW... THEN TOURING THE NATION CHAMPIONING LEFTIST REPUBLICANS, DEMONIZING LEFTIST DEMOCRATS... BEING "PUFF, PUFF, PASSED AROUND" THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT LIKE PRISON FRESH FISH... HAVING NOTHING TO SHOW FOR HIS SELLOUT (Amendment to stop financial aid to enemies went down 81-10 with Ohio's LEFTIST Rob "Deficit Reduction Panel" Portman ALSO voting HELL NO - Rand DIDN'T SAY FCKING BOO)... whew... calm down, big fella...

And actually... I don't believe I ever got an answer from YOU, friend:
If you believe Ron and Rand's support are similar (THEY ARE NOT)... tell me...

What did Ron Paul GET... for his "sellout?" Hmm? Did he "set himself up for a Presidential run" in 2012? Hmm? Did his "sellout" endear him to the Establishment GOP voter (government-dependent Boomers)? Hmm?

See what you did? You've spun yourself into an INESCAPABLE TRAP. You MUST either (A) ACKNOWLEDGE that your "comparison" is FUBAR... or (B) ACKNOWLEDGE that Rand CAN EXPECT NO "PAYOFF" for his sellout, same as his pappy.

Which one... is it?

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Finally!

Your post was a bit hard to read with all the caps, but I'm taking a shot at it.

1. Your position is that Gingrich and Boehner are better than Romney. To quote you: IS NOT IN THE SAME GALAXY AS Rand Paul, endorsing leftist, progressive, Romneycareing, pro-choicing Romney for President of the United States. Now, I may be misunderstanding you, you may be arguing that the matter is really that the Speaker of the House is a less important position than the President of the United States. I'll agree on that front, but then you'd only be disagreeing on the matter of scale, not whether or not the act itself is wrong.

2. WHILE REJECTING HIS OWN FATHER'S POPULAR RUN FOR THE SAME POSITION This would mean your problem is a matter of timing. You'd be ok with Rand endorsing Romney, but only if it were after the primary were officially over? The fact that he endorsed a few weeks before is the issue? Remember, originally he endorsed and supported Ron's bid.

3. ON THE FAKE-CONSERVATIVE SEAN HANNITY (an ENEMY of Ron and liberty) SHOW Hannity is a neocon, but he's a well accepted by the Republican fold with a huge viewership. I don't see why this matters. Because it's in bad taste? Come on, grow up. The endorsement wasn't meant for us, it was meant for Joe-Blow Republican who watches the show.

4. This part is my favorite so far:

HAVING NOTHING TO SHOW FOR HIS SELLOUT when speaking of Rand, followed by, What did Ron Paul GET... for his "sellout?" Hmm? Did he "set himself up for a Presidential run" in 2012? Hmm? Did his "sellout" endear him to the Establishment GOP voter (government-dependent Boomers)? Hmm? So you say Rand got nothing for his endorsement... followed by implying that he got something for it?

Make a decision, which is it? Did he get something or not?

5. And then you go on a spiel about how Rand's financial aid reduction got downvoted 81-10?! Are you kidding me?! He got 9 people to vote for that bill, that's HUGE progress. Iran build offensive he was the only lone vote against it. How many votes did Ron make that were everyone against him? Just because you lose the vote doesn't mean the worst thing in the world as long as you're making progress towards the goal.

You seem to have this weird success or failure rule that you judge things by. Either something succeeds or it fails. Do you not recognize the progress being made? Does that not matter to you? I'll make the same comparison again. In 30 years, Ron got how many bills of his authorship passed? 1 maybe? 2 max top of my head? He was the more prolific bill writer in Congress, and by your judgement call, he had the least impact.

But that's obviously not true. To me, Ron Paul is the best Congressman we've ever had, despite the fact that he spent 30 years getting nothing actually done EXCEPT standing tall and strong to give us hope now.

Watch what Rand does. See what progress he makes, what inroads. Why are you so ready to judge someone so harshly early on over such slim evidence? He's the best Senator we have, and the ONLY Liberty supporting Senator we have. If you have another Senator you think is doing a better job I'd love to hear it.

So no, btw, the comparison still stands just fine. No voters were swayed to Boehner or Gingrich because of Ron's endorsement, just like no Liberty voters are going to be swayed to vote for Romney by Rand's endorsement. Endorsements don't mean you belief in everything the other person does, they mean you support them for reasons of your own. The people who listen to those endorsements and vote because of them are already lost in my book.

Eric Hoffer

I will put up a $500. USD

I will put up a $500. USD reward to anyone who scores a direct hit in the face or head with a ripe tomato or rotten egg

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

I wish the mods

would not put these dang posts on the front page. Majority of DPers don't like Rand doing this kind of business. WE GET WHY HE IS DOING IT, but don't need it shoved in our faces. And then it's comment battle and we gotta get the fifth degree on co-opting from brother-winstons and the like. Which gets old as well.

negative votes prove my point

We don't need this debate over and over again. We know where people stand. This is just fuel for co-opts to call other people co-opts. Sheer ridiculousness. Every time there is Rand Post Brother Winstons stats go crazy. You guys figure it out. I'm not on the Rand band wagon but stop being hypocrites.

The comments below are

The comments below are disrespectful and myopic.

You can disagree with his strategy but this unnecessary hate and venom posted below is embarrassing. We are supposed to be an intelligent movement, not a reactionary force of fools.

intelligent movements...

aim their venom IN THE PROPER DIRECTION!

Rand "playin' the game" Paul IS A REPUBLICAN NOW. F the R's!!!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

An "intelligent movement"

An "intelligent movement" wouldn't keep falling for the same establishment BS.

No brains and definitely no

No brains and definitely no balls.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

I would suggest withholding judgement UNTIL...

...we see what he says and how.

Yes, it's potentially disheartening and concerning, but if his "endorsement speeches" are similar to what he said at the RNC, I'm totally down with it.

Oh...

you mean he might CALL OUT LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE, CHICKENHAWKING Romney publicly? Cuz if it's just another Palin-esque "USA, USA, USA, NO MO OBAMA!" speech... the nation's HAD ENOUGH OF THOSE SPEECHES!!!!!!!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

I mean

I mean something like his RNC speech. Where he mentioned Romney by name one time. Where he got a convention floor full of old GOPers to clap when he said "not every dollar of military spending is just, or necessary." That type of thing.

Traitor who still promotes what he considers the lesser of

2 evils over his own father. When will they understand the proper, dicision is to choose Ron Paul and not either of those bankgangster puppet shills. Its insane.

sovereign