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Pro Rand Faction is Distorting the Truth

I've notice lately that the Pro-Rand Faction has taken over the Daily Paul and will distort the truth to serve their agenda. That agenda is seeing Rand Paul run for President in the future simply because of his last name.

They have thrown out all of the principles and convictions that Ron Paul taught the liberty movement and defend Rand no matter what he says or does.

All of Rand Paul's shady moves are justified because of this ultra super secret strategy crap they keep pushing. Where have all the defenders of liberty gone? Who will speak the truth?

Please stand up and rebuke these people for the sake of the movement. We cannot afford to let the DP become the "Empire of Lies" where truth is optional and tyranny is acceptable if your last name is Paul.

"Compromise is too often synonymous with selling out" - Ron Paul

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COINTELPRO once liked to

COINTELPRO once liked to divide-and-conquer genuine movements too just before the larger umbrella continued their legacy.

"the Pro-Rand Faction has taken over the Daily Paul"

A majority of Paulites have come to the realization that Rand is indeed on our side, and holds very much the same convictions as his father, but is playing politics for the purpose of advancing our cause in the real world. Our cause is, after all, dependent on winning elections. Talking doesn't do the job. Ultimately, we must win seats in Congress and win the Presidency, or all this is mental masturbation. The majority has come to this realization about Rand because Paulites are, after all, smarter than the average bear.

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."


disinfected obama libs HATE Rand Paul, The Tea Party and ALL liberty REPUBLICANS. They will ride the GJ campaign gravy train because it is paid for publicly, is pro choice/marriage, and will support humanitarian intervention and foreign aid, "sometimes".
They like the fed role and agree with it, but think it should be audited- but thats where it ends.
The gairie/obama libs are NOT Ron Paul supporters and never were and they multiply and fester, all around here at the DP.

Obama libs seek to destroy the RP movement, but in reality they have called themselves out and will be seeking new monikers after the election.
Remember who these GJ/obama/dk libs are and MAKE SURE they can no longer enter the republican party or become Ron Paul fake supporters in 2016. they only seek to confuse and distract from Pauls message.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

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...why don't you look at Rand's voting record, and the legislation he's tried to enact, and then tell me with a straight face that supporting Rand means compromising all our principles.

The anti-Rand people just don't like his political strategy (e.g. endorsing Romney). They view it as a sellout. Whereas, the pro-Rand people see it as good politics, which allows Rand to be more effective in the fight for liberty than he would be otherwise.

The pro-Rand/anti-Rand camps break down very much along the same lines as the vote-GJ/write-in-RP camps. Once again it's purists versus pragmatists.

I think it's ironic that the purists (the anti-Rand and anti-GJ folks) think they are continuing the Ron Paul Revolution, and we pro-Rand and pro-GJ folks are selling out, when in fact Ron Paul's success has been due in very large part to his wise move into the GOP, and out of the LP. That is, trading purity for practical political advantage. The anti-everyone-but-RP (whether he's running or not) people think they're standing with RP, but I expect Ron would be horrified to learn that the movement is going to die with him because of such sentiments among his supporters.

Fortunately, it seems to me that the anti-everyone-but-RP (whether he's running or not) crowd is in a minority and shrinking, as more and more people realize that it's a dead-end.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Some anti-rand people are jerks..just saying

Firstly, I am not a Rand supporter. I think his vote for sanctions and his endorsement to Romney were grave mistakes, miscalculations, or whatever the case maybe, it was a stab in the back that much is certain.

But some of you anti Randers just go to far with your witch hunts and persecutions of people who have simply a difference of opinion then you. Non stop calling people co-opts or traitors is just ridiculous and only divides us even more. We're mostly Libertarians here, we are going to disagree on a great many things. But lets not go out of our way to annoy, and alienate people cause they have a difference of opinion. We got at least 3-4 people that just not stop troll every Rand post, determined to call anyone with a difference of opinion a co-opt or this and that other insult. Yes there are plants and troll moles all over this site trying to influence us. We don't need more negativity from our own people. Please just chill out. State your opinions of course, but don't hound people non stop cause they think differently then you do. That makes you more like the establishment.

Amen, this needs to be said.

The Randians have distorted the movement and co-opted it into the irrelevant, bought and paid for, compromised GOP.

Call us names, they called Ron Paul names... Cast us out, censor us, BAN us, we will NOT go away. Rand WILL be held accountable for his actions and his inaction's. Ron would expect nothing less.

If you allow compromise to eviscerate principles, you are a slave, who is complying to an agenda of your master, that is in direct opposition to your will, unless you surrender your principle. Rand called libertarians "an albatross around his neck", he enabled or employed people like Jack Hunter (NO I'm NOT Buying Your Damn BOOK!)and Austin Peterson to purge the grassroots, many of whom sacrificed time and money they could not spare to get him elected in an insurgent campaign... Rand made his choice. He picked his side. He chose ambition over his father's principles and the will of his supporters.

If you add it all up, he is nothing more than Obama really. A great speaker who talks tough, but always capitulates and backs down when the stakes are high. Anybody can talk big when they know they are gonna lose. It's when you win, and have authority that your responsibility becomes larger than your ambition. You have to rise to meet it. But by choosing the establishment of the Romney GOP over his father's principles and supporters, Rand would be a GOP standard bearer like Obama was for the Democrats. Is that a legacy worthy of Ron Paul? I think not... Without his father's principles, Rand is just another politician. And they have no interest in saving YOU, just an interests in serving their own ambition at your direct expense...

If Ron Paul couldn't pull it off. And his son sold out his legacy for the false promise of a seat at the table that is pointed against the wall, and facing it... then what the hell are we attacking each other for... The game has already been decided. And were still drawing up plays. The lights are out, the crowd has left, the refs gone home, and the other team is celebrating and calling in the police to remove us from the field, by force! We better wake up to the REALITY of the situation here, or we are done for! (And how long you have been a member of the Daily Paul is NOT gonna save you, brother!) Nor will any other failed partisan ideology.... You want to risk your well being or your families well being on THAT, especially NOW!!!

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Accusations are a dime a dozen around here. Proof is limited.

So it's distorting the truth, is it? Do you have evidence of that? Any story that doesn't measure up to the close scrutiny by the members gets voted down, like this one.

Please be aware and note this.....

The Pro Rand folks will quickly avoid the ACT OF WAR by Rand and move the conversation to the endorsement of Romney. They believe the endorsement is meaningless or justified because of that secret strategy nonsense.

The most important issue is the YES vote on sanctions. Not voting for sanctions is one of the keystones of Ron Paul's sensible foreign policy. Whether or not we secure a constitutional declaration of war by Congress or not, OUR NATION CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER WAR!!!

Today, our nation is much closer to war with Iran because of Rand Paul and every other politician who voted yes on sanctions. We simply cannot put Rand Paul on a pedestal and say we promote peace and liberty at the same time.


You realize he did vote against the final version of the bill right?

Eric Hoffer

I agree with you

following a leader risks taking us in the wrong direction.

No more politics for me or politicians trying to just get my own house in order.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

I still like Rand

I still like Rand

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Right on! +1

I love Ron Paul because he didn't operate in secret, he laid everything on the line and because of that, millions of people around the world got educated. His openness also drew the massive support it took to get him nominated and elected, if not for the electoral fraud. I had high hopes for Rand due to the "same last name" thing too, and was disappointed. Names are meaningless. "Same last names" are even more meaningless. Let's face it, Rand isn't all that special. Yes, he's done some good things in the senate. But I can't forgive him for endorsing and campaigning for a complete sleazeball, the very sleazeball who cheated his own father out of the nomination. Rand is NOT THE ONE. For all those still indulging in the vote fetish, I think it's time to search for a better 2016 presidential candidate.

Rand was at Rons dinner table

while they talked about problems of his political life. Rand has a similar philosophy, like most have stated, his voting record is amazing, short of 1 vote that I personally disagree with but when you are talking war, sanctions are much better than war, so aw well. We are going to disagree on certain points, the thing to remember is the big picture, he is fighting the status quo, and right now is a leader in the senate pushing for libertarian values, oh but hes in Romneys pocket because he endorsed him. Give me a break.

You just got PAULED!


Whoops, wrong thread.

Eric Hoffer

Please name a US Senator in

Please name a US Senator in the last 100 years who's voting record is more similar to Ron Paul than Rand Paul.

how about

Robert Taft

"All our words are but crumbs that fall down from the feast of the mind." - Khalil Gibran

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Like I said

Rand Paul is a one man soap opera.

Is everyone enjoying the show? Because that is part of the game too: "Look at me! Look at me! I'm relevant. I'm powerful. (One day I'll draw bigger crowds than my dad!)"


That cuts both ways. I think that two play the game for the 'soap opera'. To me, I don't care about the acrimony on here about Rand or even Johnson for that matter.

I have noticed a down playing of Rand's breaks with Romney here on the Daily Paul while his campaigning is covered in such through detail that we know his New Hampshire schedule to the hour as people whine and moan about it.

I just cannot wait for November 6th to come and go. I am tired of this. I am tired of all the people who are lead down the path that think Gary Johnson has a chance to win, all the propaganda and lies (OUR SIDE DOES IT TOO!!!) If I am stoned at the DP for saying that so be it.

I also doubt that is how Rand thinks Michael. I would never think that way about my father. Would you ever want to upstage your father? To say that means you are disloyal to your parents. This is a grave charge.

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These are some

crazy times we live and I agree. We were burned and I can see that similar to the Tea party everyone is following the leader and not questioning the direction.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

and wtf is gary johnson doing

'08 crash was too complicated to understand. gold? what the hell is gold?'

while paul called the 08 crash and is now calling a global crisis. you're leaving a grown man's house to chase a straying dog. im sorry the pauls shat on 'we are too scared to talk about monetary issues and gold standard' Libertarian Party where an irrelevant few of you originally came from. no, not really

Rand is relevant

He has MSM attention and this is a good thing. It sure beats watching YouTubes of censorship live. He's standing up to Romney. IOf this is a show, it's a better show that the show we've had where we're going through broken bones, cheating, more censorship..

Rand will draw bigger crowds than his Dad because his Dad was the sacrifice and Rand will become president. He has more Libertarian Values than any elected person I know in office. Can you name someone more libertarian than Rand Paul in office?

Rand Paul is the hope in the rEVOLution while we take seats and offices in helping the GOP find it's way by restoring the republic.

+1... the only beef I have

+1... the only beef I have with you Granger is your vote for Romney.
Most everything els and what you are trying to do I agree with.


The only beef I have with you is you think of this election in MSM terms of WHO will become president. I think of what's going to move the rEVOLution in the GOP for our message to be heard and materialized?

Ron Paul selected the GOP and that has not come without "hard knocks" fraud, cheating, robbery, broken bones, dirty tricks, censorship, we saw it all (though I'm sure the Democrats are worse), and now that everyone has seen what happened at the RNC.. Republicans will be reminded, and we will remember, because we have a goal, a mission, Ron Paul's message..

I'm in the GOP despite Romney and those who have corrupted the GOP aiming for a global government.. they want Romney, who can wil with 22 electoral votes,, all he needs is Ohio.

Give us the chance to blowback the GOP, join us. It's not that hard. though it is a big learning curve.. still it's something we will be working on for the next two years.. what will YOU be doing?

And this is why, when it comes to advancing Liberty, I believe Ron Paul knew the GOP was the way, not that it would be a cake walk, but it is winnable.

Right On Granger

Right On Granger

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And he may

Soap Opera or not, his votes on the floor are what matter to me.

He's definitely changed the conversation in the Senate. Maybe what we need now is a soap opera to put on a show for the news as opposed to as statesman being honorable who they can ignore.

I prefer Ron's style to Rand's, but how many viewers did Honey Boo Boo get again?

Eric Hoffer

I can't wait to cast my vote for Rand Paul

if we make it that long.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

The only thing distorted

is your perception of Rand Paul. Do you know how the game works yet?

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!


we all know how the game works, and I thought we have all had enough of that bullshit.

What the difference between just a little bullshit, or a lot of bullshit?

It's still bullshit!

I guess using certain words

I guess using certain words help you get your point across. Obviously it does with -6 votes.

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