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Liberty Day Challenge July 4th 2013 V2

Link to Liberty Day Challenge July 4th Volume 1:

http://www.dailypaul.com/244168/july-4th-2013-liberty-day-ch...

Two directions are possible from this moment on as proven by historical precedent. Either an individual will be subjected to suffering by Legalized Criminals and be forced to pay all debts collected in that evil enterprise or an individual will move in the direction of Liberty.

What happens if enough of us move far enough toward Liberty to swing the pendulum, the total collective sum of voluntary actions, our way, and we do so by July 4th 2013?

If by that date enough American people, as one large and powerful number of former victims, have invented, produced, and supplied a number of competitive legal supplies, monies, currencies, agreements, and defensive efforts, for each other, voluntarily, without resort to deceit upon the innocent, and without resort to threats upon the innocent, and without resort to violence upon the innocent, then those American people will take back their power to prosper, at will, for their own and for posterity.

Sign on in spirit or sign on in actual reality, either way the days will move in a direction and the Legal Criminals score their progress with or without your willful participation toward their goal of absolute despotism.

May God have mercy on our souls.

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Networks Rising

When human beings witness the following acts there are thoughts and actions resulting for bearing such witness.

1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4QMbTvj3H8

2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btatzG-S2bY

3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuu-cfnIlk

4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rFWDHQcIG8

5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1b-PHdFZU

When those in authority are the criminals, leaving no room left for doubt, where do the victims turn for remedy?

In every case an individual will offer a voluntary association whereby the volunteers are bonded with the idea of Liberty, and from that bond there are branches reaching out in every direction from that root, and each experiment is another case of effective remedy.

Just as Legal Crime starts with the camel's nose invading the tent, Liberty dies the death of a million cuts, so does the demise of Legal Crime work, in the other direction, as the victims learn how to bond back to Liberty, one at a time, and in that way the supply of ready victims dries up, and all that the criminals are left with is the Law of Diminishing returns, as crime ends up paying less and less, and the criminals end up with only their own to feed upon.

Text is another case of people bonding in Liberty rebuilding the networks that stand against the criminals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B3no...

http://logosradionetwork.com/tao/

What will it take to end Legal Crime?

1.
End the IRS
2
End the FED
3.
Bring the Troops Home (Look in the mirror)
4.
Do so by July 4th, 2013, start now, finish early.

Joe

Episode 7

At about time 1:25

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-90342/TS-431707.mp3

The speaker speaks about the steps by which defense against attack by Legal Criminal (my words not his) moves from an initial response to the attack with a declaration of independence.

1.
Declaration of Independence officially sent to the Legal Criminals, saying, no, you do not own me. The competitive version offered in Episode 7 is called an Ecclesiastical Deed Poll.

2.
If they don't leave you alone at that point then the routine is to go on the offensive, to force them to use their own rules, by lodging a complaint. I have to go right now so I'm not going to specify.

3.

4.
Seize their BOND

Now if that step, that seize their BOND step, if that step does not perk up your ears, then you may be woefully disinterested in defense of Liberty against those powers that work to destroy or usurp Liberty - it seems to me.

Joe

Episode 6

To anyone reading this who may be looking for remedies concerning anything done by any claim of any law anywhere in Earth, your inquisition into such remedies is a common sense perception, or awareness of a threat, and a common sense willful adjustment in your thinking to address that threat, and a common sense willful decision to answer that threat, and a common sense action that will, by your will, remedy that threat.

If you are willfully acting in defense against such threats, and if it is a common sense thing to do, then other people are also willfully acting in defense against such threats.

What is the common denominator common to all people who are willfully acting in defense against attacks being made by attackers who attack from a position of false authority?

Time: 4:26. on

The words spoken at that time begin, in my opinion to confess the speaker to be someone parroting the falsehoods of over-population with the falsehoods therefore creating a supposed need to kill off very large numbers of people.
I am working with English words right now, showing one competitive example of how an individual acts in defense against accurately measurable threats that originate from people who are attacking from positions of false authority.

I am not alone, if you are reading this, chances are that you are not seeking to join those who threaten, chances are you are not one of the few who claim to be right as they threaten from positions of false authority, so chances are you are as I am, as many of us are, which is, we, we the targeted, We The People, who are being attacked by those few who are hiding behind false authority.

That leads into Episode 6, where the speaker speaking in a sound file is offering a competitive defensive system by which the targets collectively find remedy, as if to say, hey, you are not alone, and We The People can combine our individual defensive Power and We The People can become more defensively Powerful than the sum of our individual parts.

Here is the link to Episode 6:

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-90342/TS-429440.mp3

A caller asks a question at Time 1:04 concerning the systematic defense against attacks being made by false authorities, and the caller offers a question concerning who claims to be The Boss of those who attack us.

I can comment on that, but who would listen?

bear may respond, I don't know.

The person questioning the speaker in Episode 6 sounds (not is) like Walter Burien, and that person questioning comments on another group of We The People who are defending our Liberty, and so I looked and found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp-mnivAPTM

Private and Public Trust Explained - Creditors in Commerce

It may be a good time, right here and now, to link again the efforts by Walter Burien to Blow The Whistle on those who attack us from behind false authority:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwjtbTjTsE

In the Episode 6 audio file the questions concerning those people who claim to be The Boss of those who attack us from behind false authority is not answered.

I think it is understandable, reasonable, to ask who is The Boss of the people who attack us from behind false authority.

A misleading answer is a way of accurately measuring the actual problem.

1.
End The FED
2.
End The IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home (be the troops at home)
4.
Do so by July 4th 2013, be there, or be square.

I spoke too soon, listening further in Episode 6 there is an answer to the question offered, and it is an answer that has become a very common term used to Label The Boss of those who attack us from behind false authority.

From Creditors in Commerce I found David Wynn Miller on the subject of Language here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgcW6Hzn46w

That appears to be, so far in the first minutes, worth listening to, and that began with a request to find the missing parts of that presentation. Language is crucial for cooperation to work. False language is necessary for crime to work.

"Everyone understands a performance contract."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgcW6Hzn46w

Time: 3:40:56

Signing documents?

Competitive strategies fighting Legal Crime?

A.
Ecclesiastic Deed Polls (No Dishonor or do not sign Documents produced by the Judges/Prosecutors/Clerks)

B.
Quantum Grammar (Sign on top of Stamps)

Joe

"bear may respond, I don't know"

You know that fish, can you imaginE a bear voice instead asking, "What am I supposed to be doing?" when it comes to bears equitable exchange with Josf. Is bear supposed to do book work or is bear supposed to listen to episodes? I am still on episode 4, but I think I have listened to most of it, but am not sure. Do you want me to listen to episodes and discuss with you or do you want me to do book work or do you want me to alternate days? bear is lost in the woods and cannot see the path thru the trees because of the forest ahead.

I also thought you were still replying on that other reply so I didn't answer it yet. But I don't know. Also I know we could go on and on about each episode chasing every single answer and every single question and every single thought. bear needs some directions. :0 as if Josf gives directions. It seems to me that Josf doesn't tell anyone what to do because that may not be equitable, but I am asking, how can bear best use time? bear wants to respond, but doesn't konw how time should be spent...and bear is running a marathon this summer it seems. It seems last summer the boys spent a lot of time swimming in the pool at home, but the pool hasn't been put up yet and it seems miles upon miles are spent being taxi driver.

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Abstract Ideas

bear,
I can claim that your suggestions to ask for help, are suggestions that I believe to be useful and productively powerful, since help appears to be arriving in the form of information from 2 angles, or from 2 sources, whereby there are 2 groups bound with those 2 common denominators.
These are abstract thoughts being conveyed from my current understanding of the information that is now being processed by me, and offered to you in turn.
Common Denominator 1:
Possession, which is a lie, enforced by evil people who define the meaning of evil because they target and destroy innocence wherever it may exist, and the concept of agreement among this group is as false, or as counterfeit, as any other use of power used by these people who gain their power as they define the meaning of evil.
Words among these people, such as possession, are borrowed words borrowed from their innocent victims, so that work can be explained as any other word that is counterfeited, or falsified, from the genuine, or true, meaning, as being a false version of the original.
So how can any group, composed of evil people, ever manage to cooperate one with the other one?
They must keep written records of the current rules being used by their own numbers, and only the most powerful of that group have the power of authority by which the old versions of lies are left behind and the new versions of lies will currently be enforced.
Common Denominator 2:
Defend against common denominator 1 which involves a competitive advantage by which accurate methods are invented, produced, and used so as to accomplish the common goal.
There is a third, much larger, group whereby their common denominator is, in a word, innocence.
As far as help that I may need in communicating these things to anyone caring to know my viewpoint I can say that your help is appreciated as you find the time to help, but at this time there is a lot of information being processed through my viewpoint at the moment, and writing may, or may not help.
I don’t know.
Continuing to more specifics, as above is a general outline; there are the factors of genuine language and counterfeit language offered in the information offered by the person named David Wynn Miller.
Genuine language is any effective means by which one person can convey thoughts, ideas, observations, facts, from one individual person to other individual people, and if we could read minds then we would not need genuine language to accomplish that goal.
Counterfeit language, such as the word yes being said when the actual message is no, is used when the goal is opposite of the genuine language goal.
So the illustration of reading minds is the same as the illustration of having a stun gun, whereby the POWER of getting past any lie, by reading minds, is the same as the power of getting past any threat of violence, and getting past any act of violence.
If each individual person commanded the power to avoid any lie told by any other person, and if each individual person commanded the power to avoid any threat of violence told by any person, and if each individual person commanded the power to avoid any violence perpetrated by any person upon any person, then there would be no power of falsehood, no power of threats, and no power of violence for anyone who commanded that power as that power was in that way made available to anyone, at any time.
What would then be this “natural human”, or human nature, whereby we are bad, where we are so bad that we need a central authority to keep us from being so bad?
The answer is obvious, there would be those who really are bad, in the sense that they want to be lied to, and they want to be threatened, and they want to be injured violently, because they have the POWER to stop it, anytime, anywhere, and yet they choose, willfully, to be victims, and in that sense, the concept of innocence does not really apply, does it?
If there is a room full of 100 people and every one of them is begging for someone to lie to them, and begging for someone to threaten them, and begging for someone to beat them, rape them, rob them, and enslave them, all 100 people are begging, with phrases such as “I will do anything, anything you ask, if only someone, somewhere, please, please, please, abuse me.” and “I will pay any price, any cost, anything within my power to pay, as payment, for lying to me, threatening me, and abusing me, any payment, of any kind, ever, I, and we, all 100 of us, will pay, anything, for someone, anyone, to please supply the demand demanded,” and so on, and so forth, a cry of desperation, spoken in Unison, from all 100 people in that group, if they do that, are they innocent?
How can they be innocent if then, with that demand, that offering, that request, that communication of future payments, future transfers of things yet to be done, is announced, and repeated, and made known, clearly, to anyone caring to listen, how can it be innocence if then, among all that pleading, begging, and asking for lies, threats, and violence, how can it be innocence for someone special among that group, or someone outside that group, for that special one to then fill that demand being so clearly demanded by all those people offering anything in return for lies, threats, and violence?
I think I’ve written another giant wall of text, where the words are incapable of conveying meaning, and therefore the words are useless, non-productive, and a waste of my time as well as anyone else’s time who may stumble upon those words, and then their time is thereby wasted by me.
On the other hand, I may be onto something, and I appreciate the help in knowing better either way.

You may find interest in a concept offered in Episode 6 whereby the speaker refers to an old Jewish message that goes like this : "Good man is free, evil man is a slave to possessions. "

Joe

I have not replied because my bear brain cannot understand what

you are conveying and I have read a few times and I still do not understand.

...

Rewording

We help each other, that has already proven to be true, the book project documents the helping process as it occurs.

How?

If life exists, which it does, then it is worth living well.

Who measures how well or how poorly life is done, or processed, well?

If it is a judge, doing the measuring, then the judge is God, and I think we help each other see that, because the alternative answer as to who is THE judge (?), doing the judging, if not you, or I, or the next person, if not a human being, judging who does a good job with the gift of life, if not you, then who?

1.
God is the judge
2.
Some guy in a black robe is the judge: not God

If life is worth living well, then we help each other with that goal, it seems to me that this is a proven fact.

We require language as a device used in this proven process by which we help each other, and as far as I am concerned the judge in this case is not me, it merely is perceived by me, as help.

You may have a similar perception.

How would I know?

Again there is the medium of exchange called language to be considered, or judged, to accomplish the goal, or fail miserably.

Have you ever heard of someone thinking in German, or thinking in English, or thinking in Algebra, or thinking in Geometry, or thinking in Calculus?

Those are thoughts in my viewpoint at this moment in time, all those symbols are my thoughts written down, and those thoughts are like a sign post, with a sign, a blue sign, or a red sign, and on the sign I arrange these symbols, and my intention is to help you see my viewpoint, and if you see my viewpoint, on the sign, on the road, then my viewpoint is both a warning, slow down, the bridge ahead is broken down, and my viewpoint constitutes competitive instructions leading away from certain death resulting from going too fast down the road, over the blind hill, and off the cliff where the bridge should be spanning the chasm.

Why is it so hard to communicate accurately, so as to help one person share a competitive viewpoint with another person in life on Earth in our time?

1.
The tool (language) is corrupted to a point of being counter productive in reaching the intended goal.

2.
Those who corrupted the tool know this fact, while those who don't know this fact are powerless to know this fact, and even if one person does know this fact, that one person is powerless if the tool needed to offer this viewpoint is counter productive toward reaching that goal of offering this viewpoint.

Before I add even more information, from my own viewpoint, I want to return to the past, with a message written by someone else, and that message may serve as a good sign post, a good sign, on this road, we are both looking at, each of us looking with our own viewpoints, but each of us directing our attention at the same thing, if possible.

We may be looking at different things, not one thing, so the quote I want to find intends to reach the goal of sharing the one thing in view, so that you look at the one thing in view while I look at it too.

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496. Constitutions, statutes, rules, axioms, and all verbal formulas are subject to various and conflicting interpretations, all growing out of the inherent and indestructible Individuality of different minds. A compact between parties who do not understand it alike is null and void, because they have not consented to the same thing, even if they have signed it! What is to be done with this fact? We can do nothing with it but accept it as an irrefutable truth, and provide means of dispensing with whatever conflicts with it.
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Link:
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/warren/...

The signs are in place and on those signs are arrangements of symbols, but the messages are false, misleading, and harmful to those who employ those signs that are in place.

In a word: the language itself is counterfeit.

Some of the victims of this counterfeiting process have discovered the fact of it.

Some of the victims are therefore having trouble realizing the true cost of this counterfeiting process because the counterfeiting process is the language we use to think, and to speak, so the full measure of just how destructive the counterfeiting operation is, to the victims, is such that every effort to discover, measure, understand, and know the counterfeiting operation is counter-productive toward reaching that goal of discovery, accurate measure, understanding, and knowledge: (it follows) BECAUSE the tool being used to discover, measure accurately, understand, and know, is the counterfeit process.

Therefore, and this can be discovered, measured accurately, understood, known, and employed, an agreeable, or productive, language, can be invented, produced, and maintained, to replace the disagreeable, counter-productive, counterfeit process.

So, there you go, my inventions, productions, and uses of language intending to replace the counterfeit version with a genuine version.

You helped me get here, with your insistence upon ME looking in the mirror, and ME avoiding the too often resort, the habit, of attacking you, or anyone, for the slightest perception of injury upon ME, by you, which turns out to be entirely counterfeit.

Does that make any sense at all, and if not, then I think my message here is proven, not dis-proven, to be factual.

The language we think we use to help each other, when we use the language, actually works to injure each other, and the more we use this language, habitually, the further away we get from helping each other, and the more injury we do to each other, and that is the defining of the meaning of the word counterfeit, if English can convey any accurate meaning whatsoever.

Joe

Fast Words

“We help each other, that has already proven to be true, the book project documents the helping process as it occurs.”

So, am I supposed to be doing bookwork? I think I have asked twice. Now I am going to use the Joe Rule of asking 3 times :) I got to thinking today how rude of it was for me to have the book all of this time and I have sorta put it on the shelf and have not been working on it. Do you still see it as a project to be worked on?

“If it is a judge, doing the measuring, then the judge is God, and I think we help each other see that, because the alternative answer as to who is THE judge (?), doing the judging, if not you, or I, or the next person, if not a human being, judging who does a good job with the gift of life, if not you, then who?”

And that my friend is where you and I do not see eye to eye. As follows:

“1.God is the judge”

a. Joe’s God = Truth but does not = Yaweh/Jehovah/Jesus
b. bear’s God = Truth = Yaweh/Jehovah/Jesus

Someone’s God, Joe’s or bear’s, does not = Truth. But both Joe and bear say their God is Truth. Jesus declared Himself to be The Way, The Truth, and The Life as in there is NO OTHER Way, NO OTHER Truth, and NO OTHER Life.

Jesus is a Liar?

“2.
Some guy in a black robe is the judge: not God”

What if we change #2 to be

2. A guy named Joe, who lives in California, is the Judge of Jesus.

“If life is worth living well, then we help each other with that goal, it seems to me that this is a proven fact.”

Jesus

“Have you ever heard of someone thinking in German, or thinking in English, or thinking in Algebra, or thinking in Geometry, or thinking in Calculus? “

The Amish speak Pennsylvania Dutch and English. Sometimes the children speak to me in Penn-Dutch and do not know that I don’t understand them. It is sort of funny. Yes, I know people can think in different languages. Me, I think I run my thoughts thru Bible verses that have been memorized and hidden in my heart.

“Why is it so hard to communicate accurately, so as to help one person share a competitive viewpoint with another person in life on Earth in our time?
1.
The tool (language) is corrupted to a point of being counter productive in reaching the intended goal.
2.
Those who corrupted the tool know this fact, while those who don't know this fact are powerless to know this fact, and even if one person does know this fact, that one person is powerless if the tool needed to offer this viewpoint is counter productive toward reaching that goal of offering this viewpoint.”

But if the language is corrupted how else are we supposed to speak to one another if this is the only language we know and share in common?
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“496. Constitutions, statutes, rules, axioms, and all verbal formulas are subject to various and conflicting interpretations, all growing out of the inherent and indestructible Individuality of different minds. A compact between parties who do not understand it alike is null and void, because they have not consented to the same thing, even if they have signed it! What is to be done with this fact? We can do nothing with it but accept it as an irrefutable truth, and provide means of dispensing with whatever conflicts with it.
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Link:
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/warren/...
The signs are in place and on those signs are arrangements of symbols, but the messages are false, misleading, and harmful to those who employ those signs that are in place.
In a word: the language itself is counterfeit.”

I cannot understand the concept of language being counterfeit. But this is making me think of something I read one time here at the DP from someone who was seemingly anit-anarchist. They said something like one of the first things that the anarchists will do is get rid of the dictionaries.

It seems to me that the reason we have dictionaries is so that we all can understand what a word means.

Noah Webster wrote the first dictionary for the New World in 1828: http://1828.mshaffer.com

So why are we saying the English language is counterfeit? I cannot understand that premise. I can look up any word and understand a common meaning.

And I have to say one more thing. I am listening to this Brian fellow since Frank was busy with Christmas Eve (I think that is what I heard), and whether I listen to Brian or I listen to Frank, the thought I keep having in an Australian accent is, “This is utter nonsense. These guys are speaking utter nonsense. Why am I even listening to this stuff…Ecclesiastical Deed Poles…Black Robed Grim Reapers…Death Signatures with Black Footed Baby Prints…Utter Nonsense”

So there you have it. My thoughts in English with an Australian accent. It is no wonder, I go to sleep listening to these guys tell me that they have a one world system set up and that I should file with One Heaven to get my own personal number and I should file my documents with that same Society. Josf, I already have my name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. I have no concerns.

Here, lets talk about blood signatures that really have power. Why Power? Because that blood was sinless blood. That perfect and holy and righteous God in human flesh spilled His blood because our imperfect blood is not capable of blotting out our personal sin that has been documented in our account: Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh [not speaking of male circumcision, but rather speaking of our sin nature], hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly , triumphing over them in it.

Talk about rules of darkness in this current present time? Let us talk about rules of darkness during eternity. Only the blood of The Lord Jesus Christ is competent to wipe out the sins that you and I have personally committed. Those sins are those which give Satan has claim over us. Our personal blood is unworthy because it is sin tainted. Only the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ can negate the claim of Satan over our eternity.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Because it is a fearful thing, I have claimed the Blood of Christ and have accepted the blood of that New Covenant which protects me from an eternity with Satan.

I would not be so concerned with the here and now. What 30 more years? Or perhaps one more second and then what? Eternity. What blood signature will you show then?
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I have not proofed this. I have a day with the Amish and baseball at 8:30 tonight and I currently have no idea what we are going to eat for dinner...how about french toast? That sounds good to me, but I dare say no one else in the house will thing so. lol :)

And Joe, this makes me happy:

"You helped me get here, with your insistence upon ME looking in the mirror, and ME avoiding the too often resort, the habit, of attacking you, or anyone, for the slightest perception of injury upon ME, by you, which turns out to be entirely counterfeit."

I have desired that you enjoy communication with other people and can enjoy those exchanges and have a bus load of Friends in Liberty. Yes, some will not bend, some are counterfeits, but I think you will know better who is who as you are able to look at things from multiple sides.

Please do not take my words above as injury. I am being honest and forward with my thoughts in a fast reply because summer is whizzing by! I appreciate your help more than you can know, but my words about The Perfect Blood should be more understandable now as you are listening to Frank talk about submitting blood signatures. He is talking about earthly/termporal rules. I am speaking of eternal/heavenly rules. Your soul already belongs to the Kingdom of Darkenss because Satan claims you because you have sin that is exposed.

...

Excuse my error, please.

"Do you still see it as a project to be worked on?"

I think the book project is worth the effort to publish it, and if you think the same thing then eventually you will move it along in that direction, with or without my further help.

My error is to ignore the need to ask you to please finish editing the book at your earliest convenience, or some other such words that answer your questions.

I woke up with ideas taking shape in my mind that make my head spin, so to speak, and I and I can convey those thoughts to you now, with a small warning concerning the impossibility of condensing so much into so few symbols.

There is a company I've become aware of whereby the owners have agreed to rescue this productive enterprise from the ashes of its destruction as some individuals had removed the power required to remain competitive in a competitive market.

I am helping connect people who may be able to help produce, assemble, and market these many things demanded by many people who are happy to transfer their Federal Reserve Notes, or other legal payments of DEBT, to the owners of the company, or to the people in control of the company.

I started to think, and connect dots.

This morning the dots connected.

What would happen to Federal Tax Liabilities if an investor, such as a Native American, were to find themselves suddenly infected with billions of Federal Reserve Notes, as a payment of some kind flowing from Federal Employees to Native Americans, and those DEBT notes were used to invest in the following:

1.
Gold
2.
Silver
3.
A few large purchases of various competitive Electronic Currencies like Bit Coin
4.
A few large purchases of various competitive Legal Currencies like the Yuan and Euro
5.
A few large purchases of various competitive Deeds of Legal Ownership of Legal Corporate Entities

Suppose the Native American receives 6 Billion Federal Reserve Notes as some effort by some Federal Employee to transfer that much Legal Debt to that Native American for whatever reason, and it happens, just suppose that happens.

Does the Native American then feel obligated to pay Federal Income Tax?

If the answer is no, there is no feeling of obligation, because there is no obligation, then that could be one DOT to connect to other DOTS.

Suppose the Native American then began the 5 purchases listed above, and the Native American kept 1 Billion Federal Reserve Notes to spend willy nilly, or in whichever fashion the Native American felt like spending the remaining 1 Billion Federal Reserve Notes before the Federal Employees DUMPED another pile of Federal Reserve Notes into the hands of the Native American.

1. Gold

What if the Native American used one of his or her companies to turn a Billion Federal Reserve Notes into many new coins with his, or her, head on them, or with an eagle, or a buffalo, or a dollar sign, or a middle finger, or whatever symbol the Native American felt like putting on a Billion Dollars (Federal Reserve Notes) on the coin?

2. Silver

Same use of his or her company, same pile of coins made and ready for use.

3. Pulling out of circulation a Billion Dollars (Federal Reserve Notes) worth of Electronic Circulation could increase the scarcity of those units of commerce, keep that in mind.

4. 1 Billion Dollars (Federal Reserve Notes) worth of Yuan, Yen, Euro, and Ruble, are forms of hedging, speculating, saving, investing, too.

5. Will those companies now feel the need to pay Federal Income Tax?

Swimming around in my head are the contracts that could be invented, created, and registered to document the conveyance of the DEED (not the Trust), or the ownership, not the partnership, of the Legal Corporate Beings from Targets to Non-Targets of Federal Money Fraud.

So that is a lot of ideas all condensed in too few words for my own sense of doing good, since I left out way too much in the way of creative thinking.

I want to jot down, while I have the memory fresh, an example of such a contract.

For the benefit of those involved, those listed, the corporate entity is no longer owned by anyone subject to any claims of legal liabilities made by any False Federal Employee in this Country, and as such the units of exchange produced by this new corporate entity will have a value placed upon them that is pegged to the highest Unit value of the current competitive Legal Currencies currently circulating the Globe known as The Planet Earth.

1 new Gold coin is equal to 1 Unit of Legal Debt whereby the value of the 1 Unit of Legal Debt is precisely the value of Legal Debt demanded by the current highest Tax Liability demanded by the current most powerful Legal Entity until such time as Gold regains the power to demand a free market rate of exchange as a self evident fact of human life on Earth.

1 new Silver coin is equal to 1 Unit of Legal Debt whereby the value of the 1 Unit of Legal Debt is precisely the value of Legal Debt demanded by the current highest Tax Liability demanded by the current most powerful Legal Entity until such time as Silver regains the power to demand a free market rate of exchange as a self evident fact of human life on Earth.

I did not think those portions of the imaginary contract out well, so please understand how these times of creative ideas swim along in my own head, as if to confess to you that I am far from being very smart, and I'm really just another dumb guy with an imperfect brain, an imperfect life, and an feeling of the need to help other people, and a very low measure of power to reach that goal.

"Jesus is a Liar?"

If you ask that question, please understand, you don't ask me that question, because I already have expressed, countless times, my lack of power in answering that question. So who inspires you to ask that question? It cannot be me who inspires you to ask that question, since I have no pony in that show. You can be inspired to ask that question by a rock, or a chair, or a grain of sand, or me, if you choose, but I have as much stake in the game, as to the answer of that question, as does a rock, a chair, or a grain of sand, if you ask me.

If you ask a rock, does the rock say yes, bear, that is a good question, please answer that question?

If you ask a chair, does the chair say yes, bear, that is a good question, please answer that question?

If you ask a grain of sand that question, does the rock say yes, bear, that is a good question, please answer that question?

If you ask me that question, I say ask the rock, bear, or the chair, or the grain of sand, because I do not know, for how many times now, I can't know, not until I can know, and if I do know, do you think I may send you an e-mail at that moment?

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“2.
Some guy in a black robe is the judge: not God”

What if we change #2 to be

2. A guy named Joe, who lives in California, is the Judge of Jesus.
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I Judge Jesus to be exactly what Jesus is no more and no less.

I am weak, powerless, and incapable of sentencing Jesus to die for anyone's sins, so my Judge Power does not go far, and if it were me I'd say take me instead, please, let me die for everyone's sins instead, if that is how this has to work, as if there are only 2 very bad choices, and there are no competitive options available whereby something good can happen instead of "the lesser of two evils"?

So my words can appear to you as being me being a Judge of Jesus, when in fact my words are not Judging Jesus, or God, my words are merely answering your question, and my words are only as powerful as the ideas that you find in my words, and my thinking is such that these words are significantly corrupted by very evil people as very evil people have understood for a long time how powerful symbols can be when symbols are accurate and productive AND how powerful symbols can be when symbols are counterfeited, falsified, and destructive through deception.

If I have no belief in Jesus as the Son of God being tortured and murdered for me, or anyone, then I do not have that belief, so how can I Judge something I do not have, and so your questions can be as relevant to a rock, or a chair, or a grain of sand, as to me, since the answers will be as relevant coming from me, or the rock, or the chair, or the grain of sand.

If Jesus, and God, or Jesus as God, or Jesus or God, allows me to believe and then I willfully reject that belief, for my own personal gain, or for fun, or whatever, then that is a different story, I suppose, but again that has nothing to do with me.

I can ask for God, or Jesus, or God and Jesus, for help, and if I get help I can pretend to connect the help I get, through the request, to God, or Jesus, or God and Jesus, and I can pretend to believe that those two, or one, or whatever exist in that precise form, the source of help, when asked.

Do I know that the source of help is the one power of creation?

Yes, I do know that to be factual, but that is another sentence written in English, and that is not my actual being of knowing, so the words may fail to convey the intended message intact.

"Me, I think I run my thoughts thru Bible verses that have been memorized and hidden in my heart."

The questioning I was doing at that time had to do with the way the human being processes the data that constitutes perception, and language is a medium of exchange during that process, so it is a good idea to perceive the medium of exchange, to then know it, and to then understand it.

If your Bible versus are written in English, then English can be looked at, and known, as the medium of exchange.

If I am going to ask you to look at English, then that is what I am doing, and if you are to receive my plea, my asking, as something other than me asking you to look at English, then that proves that English may be troublesome when the intent is to convey accurate meaning from one person to another person.

If you take my request for you to look at English as an attack by me of your belief in Jesus, then there is there, in that process, evidence that proves a point, and the point proven by that evidence is that English may not be very effective when the idea is to convey accurate meaning from one person to another person.

If you take those arrangements of symbols, where I am saying "from one person to anther person" as an attack on your belief in a connection between you and Jesus, then the point is pointed out again by that example, if that is what happens.

I am not attacking, disparaging, questioning, judging, rendering a verdict, or executing punishment, concerning any belief anyone has concerning God, religion, Jesus, The Bible, Scripture, common sense, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, or any of the processes, or realities, that those words intend to label, and my focus of attention, with the words here, and the words written previously, focus attention, focus will power, onto the medium of exchange.

There is English.

It is English.

It is a medium of exchange.

It is, and it does not depend upon what is is, it is, so my focus of attention is upon it being English, a medium of exchange.

Jesus is here, I am here, in between those points, or Dots, exist a medium of exchange, and so the medium of exchange can be looked at, attention can be focused on the medium of exchange, and the focus of attention cannot then be focused on Jesus, or me, not while the focus of attention is focused on the medium of exchange, since that is the nature of the focus of attention being focused on one thing, one point, one dot, like shinning a flashlight, in the dark, on the chair, not the rock, because the chair is where the light is focused on, not the rock, at that time, in that place, by that power that has control of that flash light.

"But if the language is corrupted how else are we supposed to speak to one another if this is the only language we know and share in common?"

We share pleas, as in please help me, and we share agreement in offering help when asked for help, and no one can corrupt that exchange other than ourselves.

We do not share willful desire to destroy each other, and no one can corrupt us into sharing that desire other than ourselves.

Those two sentences were written in English, did they manage to travel from me to you in such a way as to answer the sentence you offered to me?

"It seems to me that the reason we have dictionaries is so that we all can understand what a word means."

That can be proven, or at least reinforced to be proven until disproved, in any case. Which case?

What does "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" mean?

What does "Extraordinary Rendition" mean?

What does "Quantitative Easing" mean?

Human memory is individual, and it is perishable, so the concept of recording information is merely a way of storing human memory.

If there are no humans, can a rock, or a chair, or a grain of sand record their thoughts, ideas, inventions, creations, art, history?

History, yes, a rock records rock history in the rock.

A chair records chair history in the chair.

A grain of sand records the history of that grain of sand in that grain of sand.

English sentences. What is the intent?

Deception?

If the intent is to record accurate meaning, and you pretend to be God, as if playing a childish game, just for fun, just for the pursuit of happiness, and not for any evil intent to "be God," so no "blasphemy" intended by me, just me asking a question, intending to convey an idea, asking of you, or I, or anyone, can, or may, or will pretend to be God and pretend to desire to record, to make a record of God ideas, then what would you use to record your best ideas?

DNA?

Hydrogen?

Human beings, in my opinion, do not pretend to be God when they create language, and use language, when the idea, the intent, is to enhance their limited power of memory, and when language is used to convey accurate meaning.

When a human being uses that tool, that medium of exchange, to injure, to take power from, to deceive, then it can be a case, in a way, if you wish, if you may, if you can, see that use of that tool by that person as a usurpation of the power of God, as if that person claims to be God, and it is as obvious to me as breathing air, that such a claim is a False Claim.

"So why are we saying the English language is counterfeit? I cannot understand that premise. I can look up any word and understand a common meaning."

I am saying that because I believe some of the information offered by this person:

http://dwmlc.com/

I am saying that because of the words written by Josiah Warren on the subject of language.

I am saying that because I understand the concept of counterfeit as there is a process by which evil people manage to remove defensive power from their targeted victims in ways that are not easy to discover as a point of fact, or self-evident reasonable process.

What does "hidden in plain sight" mean?

What does "money laundering" mean?

What does Legal Crime mean?

"So there you have it. My thoughts in English with an Australian accent. It is no wonder, I go to sleep listening to these guys tell me that they have a one world system set up and that I should file with One Heaven to get my own personal number and I should file my documents with that same Society. Josf, I already have my name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. I have no concerns."

Here is where I have no worries (Australian accent or not) concerning false leaders, where I'm going to be following false leaders, since I don't do that, so why would I have to worry about it?

Why would I have a concern such as the one that you do not have?

I don't either, so why tell me, about you having "no concerns"?

A common denominator shared by the following list of people who express concerns is an identifiable common denominator:

1.
Ron Paul

2.
Jesse Ventura

3.
Rand Paul

4.
Bill Still

5.
G. Edward Griffin

6.
Gerald Celente

7.
Alex Jones

8.
Adam Kokesh

9.
Vernon Howell

10.
Bill Foust

11.
Frank O'Collins

12.
David Wynn Miller

I stopped at 12 but the list goes on and on, and the common denominator, to me, can be expressed accurately in English, and so I have invented an accurate expression in English for that common denominator, or that common concern, but English does not have this term recorded in any dictionaries.

I suppose the common denominator is not a concern until it knocks on the door demanding an arm, or a leg, or a child, for torture and mass murder, and even then IT may not be a concern so much as it merely being an arm, a leg, a child, taken for torture and mass murder, or evil, or for fun, or for profit, or English really isn't a very good defensive tool.

I don't know.

"Here, lets talk about blood signatures that really have power. Why Power? Because that blood was sinless blood."

When God chooses me to believe those things that you believe is when we can talk about those things in a way that can be called, in English, sharing. Meanwhile you are sharing those ideas, those beliefs, those feelings, those understandings, in English, with those who are chosen by God to believe in those things.

I may as well be a rock for the amount of sharing I can share in this talk we are having about those beliefs of yours, given to you by God.

If God gave a rock that belief, then I share less than that rock does with you and your beliefs.

We can sit down with that rock, and a chair, and a grain of sand, and we can share this talk of this power, and if God gives that rock, and that chair, and that grain of sand, this belief, then I'm the odd man out, and I'm not so much sharing as I am inspired to be left out, or jealous, or in some way inferior to you, the rock, the chair, and the grain of sand, as God chose them and not me.

If a member of The Kasarian Parasites (a term that Google crosses out) or the Jesuits, or whoever, whichever group, is bound together by their belief in the POWER of deception, with or without the sacrifices of children being tortured (Waco for example), beheaded, skinned alive, and mass murdered, have these beliefs in Black Magic, and ritual slaughter, then they do that, and it is not my concern either, other than to say that if they knock on my door, then I may want to know what they really want, since they employ deception as a rule.

They are tied together by a common denominator, a rule of thumb, a shared use (abuse?) of God given power, and that glue binds them, in ways that can be unspeakable, because that glue does not concern me, is of no interest to me, is not used by me, is not shared by me, so knowing it exists is merely defensive in nature, unless the knock on the door is followed by asking me a question whereby an accurate answer by me will result in more death and destruction, and then I may find use of deception in defense against more death and destruction.

"What blood signature will you show then?"

I'm not worshiping any blood flowing anywhere so your question is not shared by me, no more than your question is shared by a rock, or a chair, or a grain of sand, as far as I know.

I cannot know what I do not now know, but when I do know what you know, then I can tell you when that happens.

The concept of defense against Legal Crime is such that there will be many, not one, but many competitive methods of defending against Legal Crime by as many people who do so, in time and space, and the concept of GOOD is such that among those competitive examples of defense against Legal Crime there will be better examples and there will be not-as-good examples. The best example will be the one used that is the best example and if that example can be repeated, copied, or exemplified, or improved, then that can, may, or will happen.

Meanwhile heads are rolling.

"I have not proofed this. I have a day with the Amish and baseball at 8:30 tonight and I currently have no idea what we are going to eat for dinner...how about french toast? That sounds good to me, but I dare say no one else in the house will thing so. lol :)"

I can share something, perhaps, whereby I make what is now called Stir Fry. I get a Wok, and two frying pans, and I try not to think too much about the black non-stick coating that is no longer in the pan.

Works with left over chicken, steaks, pork chops, sausage, etc.

Mince fresh garlic. I use a lot of garlic, fending off the vampires.

Baby Bella Mushrooms washed and dried in a mixing bowl, set aside, some ground black pepper, minced garlic, added and mixed.

Onions in big squares, two colors of squash (zucchini) also big pieces, two colors of Bell Peppers, in a mixing bowl, splash in liberal amounts of Worcestershire and Soy sauce, ground black pepper, and red pepper (cayenne), mix and sit.

Fry up the meat, HOT, to crispness; but before this is done start cooking onions/vegetables, in olive oil, HOT, in another pan.

Before meat and vegetables are done, looking for tell tale signs of crispy dark edges under HEAT, before they are done, start the mushrooms in the Wok, HOT olive oil, and the mushrooms take only a minute or so to begin showing the darkness on the edges desired.

Then dump the other pans, meat, vegetables, into the Wok.

If there is too much liquid in the meat, add something, I tried shaker parmigiana cheese once, and I tried corn starch another time; but I like soupy food, with plenty of liquid, but a little bit of thickening is great too.

I then mix up some Chinese powdered mustard, the stuff that can melt your brain, and I move that yellow volatile mustard to one side of that separate bowl and I add that really good oriental hot sauce to fill the other half of that dipping bowl.

I have yet to make too much of that stuff.

"The Perfect Blood should be more understandable now as you are listening to Frank talk about submitting blood signatures. He is talking about earthly/termporal rules."

I can hear Frank say that those people, he calls them Kazarian Parasites, and other labels, I call them Legal Criminals, are insane, and he says that he would not be using blood on signatures if those insane people were not forcing the issue, in so many words, that I can quote.

So I listen to your words, and I listen to Frank's words, and where your words intend to inform me of what Frank says, I can check Frank's words, and if there is a difference between your version of Frank's words, and Frank's words, then I can chalk up the differences to be accountable to many factors, not the least of which is the medium of exchange.

"Your soul already belongs to the Kingdom of Darkenss because Satan claims you because you have sin that is exposed."

That is English, and it might as well be Martian, for it has no power to convey accurate meaning to me, as if you are speaking to someone else, and your words have nothing to do with me at all.

I know my soul to be the entire being that exists despite any attempt I may have to measure it, to know it, to nurture it, or to destroy it, it, this soul, is me, and it is mine now, it is not something owned by any other thing, devil in any disguise whatsoever, until such time as that happens, and then that happens.

To me I've been given this soul by the creator, and if it is no longer mine, then that happens, when that happens, but that is not now.

Meanwhile there are people, in black robes, staking claims upon me, and upon other people, and to me that is not news, but there are details concerning how that works, so I'm looking for those details, because I want to know what I can do to defend against such claims.

Joe

You are funny too!

Your reply made me laugh several times. Joe the Comedian:

“Here is where I have no worries (Australian accent or not)”

“I may as well be a rock for the amount of sharing I can share in this talk we are having about those beliefs of yours, given to you by God.”

“and I try not to think too much about the black non-stick coating that is no longer in the pan.”

“Mince fresh garlic. I use a lot of garlic, fending off the vampires”

“I then mix up some Chinese powdered mustard, the stuff that can melt your brain,”

“That is English, and it might as well be Martian,”
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Joe is also a chef! “I have yet to make too much of that stuff.”
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OK, moving on to more serious things:

“There is a company I've become aware of whereby the owners have agreed to rescue this productive enterprise from the ashes of its destruction as some individuals had removed the power required to remain competitive in a competitive market.”

Is this part of the idea or is this a reality?

“Suppose the Native American receives 6 Billion Federal Reserve Notes as some effort by some Federal Employee to transfer that much Legal Debt to that Native American for whatever reason, and it happens, just suppose that happens.
Does the Native American then feel obligated to pay Federal Income Tax?”

For some reason I am thinking that the reason some casinos are on Indian Reserves is because Native Indians do not have to pay Federal Taxes. I do not know if that is a misconception or not, but someone at some time told me that information. So, if that is the truth, I would not think that the Native Indian would feel at all obligated to pay taxes. Maybe some ONE has already funded the Native Americans with Federal Reserve Notes? Those casinos do not pop up all buy themselves do they? So are you thinking that the Native Americans may be a key in bringing equity to the system?

“Swimming around in my head are the contracts that could be invented, created, and registered to document the conveyance of the DEED (not the Trust), or the ownership, not the partnership, of the Legal Corporate Beings from Targets to Non-Targets of Federal Money Fraud.”

You understand the terms Deed, Trust, Ownership, Partnership etc. better than I do. Those terms are like Greek to me as I do not know the difference between them and I know I could go and look them up, but I am like a Rock or a Grain of Sand when I hear those terms. I don’t care what they mean. So I am telling you that so you know you do not need to explain those terms to me. Not because I don’t want you to use them.
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1 new Gold coin is equal to 1 Unit of Legal Debt whereby the value of the 1 Unit of Legal Debt is precisely the value of Legal Debt demanded by the current highest Tax Liability demanded by the current most powerful Legal Entity until such time as Gold regains the power to demand a free market rate of exchange as a self evident fact of human life on Earth.

I do not understand what 1 Unit of Legal Debt means. (And I do want to understand this paragraph, so can you tell me what 1 Unit of Legal Debt is?)

“…as if to confess to you that I am far from being very smart, and I'm really just another dumb guy with an imperfect brain, an imperfect life, and an feeling of the need to help other people, and a very low measure of power to reach that goal.”

I refuse that information about you being another dumb guy. Sure your brain is imperfect and you have an imperfect life. We are all common in that way, but you are in no way just another dumb guy and I have a quote to prove it:
Discussion Begins:

bear: “Oh, you mean books don’t have to come from the store anymore! How exciting! Very competitive indeed! bear is learning all kinds of things from this free book! You are very smart Joe!"

Now you will see if a liar shoe fits bear? Bear is not even going to look at that shoe :) I believe I am far from dumb and I can’t even think up a scenario by which Native Americans may hold a key. Those thoughts are far from my mind. I think one time you told me your mind was trained to look at things concerning voluntary and involuntary all at once. You also circle ideas and thoughts and think about those ideas and thoughts. John Taylor Gatto reminded me of you because he writes and rewrites his ideas and thoughts until he sees all the problems worked out. I don’t even have a thought in my head that I want to write down. I just have bear questions and ill-thought out bear ideas :)

But I will say, I try to practice this which is the mind of servitude:

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
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I realize I may be speaking more English with a Martian accent, but I said these words:

"Your soul already belongs to the Kingdom of Darkness because Satan claims you because you have sin that is exposed."

Because Frank is saying something about those insane people trying to claim souls. (I also want to say that that sounds to me like setting up licsense to remove those insane people perhaps like the French did during their revolution.) My point was that according to Scripture, the Kingdom of Darkness already claims those souls as shown here:

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist

That scripture is speaking of your Creator who shed his blood so that we can be translated from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light which is the kingdom of Jesus.
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Me: "Jesus is a Liar?"

You: "If you ask that question, please understand, you don't ask me that question, because I already have expressed, countless times, my lack of power in answering that question. So who inspires you to ask that question? It cannot be me who inspires you to ask that question, since I have no pony in that show. You can be inspired to ask that question by a rock, or a chair, or a grain of sand, or me, if you choose, but I have as much stake in the game, as to the answer of that question, as does a rock, a chair, or a grain of sand, if you ask me."

I said those words with a question mark: "jesus is a liar?" because Jesus himself claims to be the Son of God and He himself claimed that he would die for you and me. So either Jesus was crazy, a liar, or indeed he was the Son of God as he claimed. It seems to me if someone, anyone, does not accept the claims Jesus Himself made about Himself that that person is then claiming Jesus to be a liar. It seems to me that either what Jesus said was true, or what Jesus said was a lie. It cannot be both. And just because you are a rock does not mean that you do not have an opinion, or are you saying, I don't know? And now that I have written that I wonder myself if someone can say, "I don't know"?

I suppose I will think about that thought today from many different angles as well as ask Jeff what he thinks about that.
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“I stopped at 12 but the list goes on and on, and the common denominator, to me, can be expressed accurately in English, and so I have invented an accurate expression in English for that common denominator, or that common concern, but English does not have this term recorded in any dictionaries.”

What is the Word in English that you have created that accurately expresses the common denominator that those 12 share?
I am inspired to add another number, never mind 13, how about 14: Joe KellEy.
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“If you take those arrangements of symbols, where I am saying "from one person to anther person" as an attack on your belief in a connection between you and Jesus, then the point is pointed out again by that example, if that is what happens.”

I did not feel like you were attacking me. Probably the only times I have felt attacked is when you hand me shoes to try on and I think you are telling me they are my shoes. But I think I know better now since you have explained that process to me. I don’t think I have ever felt you are attacking me or my Jesus talk. And I appreciate your patience in allowing me to voice what you hear as babble.

“…please finish editing the book at your earliest convenience…”

Thank you for the help in knowing what to do. That will be my top “down time” priority. I am going to do book work and it will cause me not to be able to discuss for a little while because I am not balanced enough to do more than one extra thing at a time.

...

Reality

"Is this part of the idea or is this a reality?"

I could link web pages, it is as real as I can manage to know.

"Maybe some ONE has already funded the Native Americans with Federal Reserve Notes?"

I know about Federal Reserve Notes flowing to very few people, billions, flowing, and these very few people are Native Americans. I know this to be true. The flowing is known to be true. How much flows, if it is billions flowing to 5 people, then that is a math problem, and I'm not the accountant, and the actual people, the one's I know, are not blessed with this POWER, at all, in fact, to me, they are infected by it, in measurable ways.

I can name names, and copy and post papers, if I take the time and effort to document the thing in view, whereby the thing in view is this transfer of legal power to purchase flowing from Federal Employees (false Federal), flowing, flowing, to Native Americans.

I know, also, for a fact (but I am admitting here, and always, that I can be proven wrong in any case), that there is no sense, at all, of an obligation to pay taxes, none whatsoever, possessed by the Native Americans in question, and I also know, for a fact, that the so called "obligation" to pay False Federal Income taxes is a crime in progress, made legal, so I share, or agree with, the sentiments embodied by the particular Native Americans in question.

Any sense of obligation to pay Federal Income Taxes by anyone, anywhere, are, in fact, either/or investments invested for a return on that investment, made by Legal Criminals willfully perpetrating that crime in progress, or ignorant people who are victims to that Fraud, which is, as stated, a crime in progress - made legal.

Native Americans, at least the one's I know about, are not infected with that sense of obligation, far from it, and it makes sense, why would they be possessed of such ignorance, when the history of their specific genetic make-up, and the history of their culture is such that the false Federal Employees are no more, but no less, than criminals with colorful costumes.

"So are you thinking that the Native Americans may be a key in bringing equity to the system?"

Any individual person joins the same group, whereby this group is a group for a specific reason, and the specific reason is that they finally realize that, each one in turn, each member of this group, joins this group, when the realization is realized, in time, and place, that, irrefutably, and accurately measurable, the Criminals in Colorful Costumes, and wearing the label Federal Employee, are Frauds, Liars, Cheats, Robbers, Rapists, Slave Traders, Torturers, Cannibals, Aggressive War investors, Aggressive War profiteers, Devil Worshipers, Forefingers, Invaders, Usurpers, Serial Killers, Mass Murderers, and they are setting the bar higher and higher as time goes by, as to which one of them is better than the next at being the most evil inhuman beings on the planet Earth.

So...Native Americans are already generally in the club.

"So are you thinking that the Native Americans may be a key in bringing equity to the system?"

If the idea is to expose the Criminals as Criminals, and to do so the idea is to use the rules used by the Criminals, the same rules that the Criminals must use to rule their own group, then yes, or partially yes, Native Americans have, already, that disconnection from that false association, that fiat, counterfeit, Power of Law, that false fealty to that False Federal God is already not possessed by members of that group, and that is a shared disconnection according to the Laws the Rule The Criminals, as far as I can tell at this point.

In other words, the Federal Employees, themselves, in their own versions of their own rules, stake no claim of ownership on Native American souls.

How much does it cost to buy a Native American soul?

Billions of dollars for each soul?

When you are a Legal Criminal, a Billion Dollars in Federal Reserve Notes are nothing, at all, and they know it, it is a phantom, it is a false belief in a falsehood well constructed, and measurable as just how much a victim will do, when a victim takes those false papers and those false numbers in false bank accounts, and they then move those empty numbers hither an thither.

In other words, here is a place where the Legal Criminals DUMP their Power to cause this or that to happen, and this and that does happen, and more "money" is flowing. Look at if flow?

Two examples can be compared instead of one.

1.
Billions of empty promises flowing to a few Native Americans.

2.
Billions of empty promises flowing on pallets to a War Zone, and I can link that example if you do not remember the case of The Federal Reserve sending 300 odd Tons of 100 dollar bills, and losing them, in Iraq.

"So are you thinking that the Native Americans may be a key in bringing equity to the system?"

What if one person managed to steal all that money flowing into Iraq, and that one person followed my 5 steps as such:

1.
Make and spend Gold coins
2.
Make and spend Silver coins
3.
Buy and hold Bit Coins (or a number of competitive electronic free market open source currencies)
4.
Buy and hold Legal Crime currencies that are not the Dominant Legal Crime Currency
5.
Buy and gain legal title (fee simple or alodial?) to Companies that are not subject to Federal Income Tax Claims

Contracts are needed, but only in the sense that fellow friends in Liberty understand the true meaning of a contract, and while the Legal Criminals are still following their own rules that they must have in place to POLICE their own numbers of fellow Legal Criminals.

"I do not understand what 1 Unit of Legal Debt means. (And I do want to understand this paragraph, so can you tell me what 1 Unit of Legal Debt is?)"

Here is where the idea I woke up with may measure up as an example of brilliance. What must be understood is the fact that there already is a New World Order and the form that this POWER takes is more accurately labeled The Dollar Hegemony, or The World Reserve Currency Power. These are not fantasies of my imagination. The current World Reserve Currency Power is claimed to be The Dollar Hegemony, or The U.S. Dollar, or The Federal Reserve Note.

All other Legal Crime Issues of Currency are inferior to the One Dominant Currency.

Every one of those Legal Fraud Currencies have one thing in Common, they are all Legalized Crimes (fraud and extortion) in progress, and the Dominant one is the Dominant one, easily known as the one that is traded at a higher value relative to the other, inferior, ones.

How much is one once of Gold compared to each Legal Crime Unit of money?

Gold is worth this much, and Silver is worth this much, compared to 1 Dollar, and compared to 1 Euro, and 1 Yuan, and 1 Ruble.

Gold is worth this much compared to 1 Solar Panel, 1 Kilowatt/hour, 1 basket of pork bellies, on and on.

What is the Legal Crime Dominant Monopoly Power measure of official Value?

The one that is the highest among all the Legal Crime competitors, is the official winner.

So the idea is to convert Gold, and Silver, and why not copper, and why not Kilowatt/hours, but for now stick with Gold and Silver coins.

Hi, I'm Joe, I am part of a group of people, we fell into a lot of money, and we bought many, many, many gold bars, we melted down those bars, we made small chips of gold, small, small, small coins, but don't lose them.

Hi, I'm Sam.

Hi

What do you want me to do with that coin you are showing me, Joe?

Well, Sam, I want to buy stuff I need to run this productive enterprise here, and we want to compete with the Chinese, since everything, and I do mean everything, of any value, is being shipped to China, from American, with few exceptions, so I think it is time to become one of the exceptions.

Sam: "And..."

Joe: "Will you agree to take this gold coin, and these silver coins as payment for things we need?"

Sam: "I may have to check with my Tax adviser."

Joe: "Perhaps so, but there are ways around that, but you invest in what you think is going to gain benefits for you, as you please, I just want what you have, and I have this to offer in exchange."

Sam: "How much is that worth, that very small coin of Gold, and those larger coins of Silver, how much are they worth?"

Joe: "I can guarantee that these will be worth no less than this."

No less than this?

No less than this?

In other words, and here is the point, without writing to much, and hopefully a light bulb goes off somewhere, the Gold coin will never be worth less than the value of a unit of Legal Crime Money, ever, so long as the moment the coin is created it is created by weight, and pegged, or valued, at that time, to the highest value then claimed to be the value of the Legal Fraud Money which Dominates all the lesser power Legal Fraud Monies.

All Sam wants to know is if the money is any good.

No, the money is produced by very evil people, Sam, so how about using something good, something accurate, instead?

How much is it worth? It is always worth more than the fraud money, always, unless you are one of the frauds, then your investments in it will pay you dividends, for awhile, and then not so much, and then, you too have a ticket into the torture chamber.

"I do not understand what 1 Unit of Legal Debt means. (And I do want to understand this paragraph, so can you tell me what 1 Unit of Legal Debt is?)"

I don't know if my talk with Sam helps. I see it, so you can see it too, but it may be difficult, it may be very difficult, to transfer the idea, the perception, the measure, accurately, without error.

I may also be wrong about what I see to be true.

"I said those words with a question mark: "jesus is a liar?" because Jesus himself claims to be the Son of God and He himself claimed that he would die for you and me."

I have to stop at that point to restate what I see as being an obvious point of contention concerning your belief and my powerlessness to belief. I cannot get past the fact that Jesus said anything and I now know what Jesus said in fact when I must rely upon words, in English, written on paper, to gain that power to believe what Jesus said in fact.

If that is not understood by you, then, that identifies to me an accurately measurable lack of power in English to convey accurate meaning; proving the point.

Jesus said: "I want a peanut butter sandwich, can you get me one?"

That is a recorded fact on this date, at this time, in this place.

OK, fine by me, if you say so, and I can trust you, because you say so.

Jesus spoke English?

"So either Jesus was crazy, a liar, or indeed he was the Son of God as he claimed."

Because you believe the words are true, then you arrive at the conclusion you arrive at above. I don't, no more than I believe that Jesus wanted a peanut butter sandwich, and Jesus spoke English when he asked for one.

"It seems to me if someone, anyone, does not accept the claims Jesus Himself made about Himself that that person is then claiming Jesus to be a liar."

I do not see that, it is not possible for me to see that, and the reason I can't possibly see that are reasons that I try to explain in so many words, in English.

If English cannot be used by me to convey accurate meaning to you, then that proves the point of my inability to make the claim you make, since English is the same medium of Exchange that must be used to communicate to me exactly what Jesus said in any case whatsoever.

If Jesus said something to me, I may not have even remembered it, but if I do remember, and if I remember accurately, then I can write it down. I'll write it down in English. That places me in between what Jesus says, and anyone else who may want to know what Jesus says to me.

That has not happened. In between you and Jesus is no one, you know what Jesus said, and that is fine by me. I am jealous, if nothing else, since Jesus does not pick me to talk to, and therefore I can wait for my turn, and I can ask for an appointment, on and on.

I can't say, and I don't say, that Jesus did not say this or that, since I don't know. What is it about English that causes English to be incapable of conveying the meaning of I don't know from me to you?

"And just because you are a rock does not mean that you do not have an opinion, or are you saying, I don't know? And now that I have written that I wonder myself if someone can say, "I don't know"?"

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

That is three more times I wrote I don't know.

To be more specific:

I don't know what Jesus said, and I don't know if The Bible records what Jesus said accurately.

I do know that I am not confessing, saying, demanding, claiming, accusing, punishing, anyone who knows what Jesus said, and I can repeat this like I repeat I don't know, until such time as I may know, and then I can then say I know what Jesus said, and I can then say, and what I will say will be honest, true as far as I am concerned, at that time I can say that I know that the Bible records what Jesus said accurately.

Not now. I don't know now. I can tell you soon after I do know, when I do know, which is not now, and that does not mean that now I am saying that Jesus is a liar.

If I say that Jesus is a liar, then the words come out as Jesus is a Liar, and the words that come out I don't know what Jesus said, is the words that come out as I don't know what Jesus said.

The words that come out as I don't know that The Bible accurately records what Jesus said, come out that way too, and if I were to claim that The Bible does not record what Jesus said accurately, then that would be what I claim when I claim such a claim, which is not a claim I can make, honestly, because I do not know.

I do not know.

I do not know.

I do not know.

That does not report a claim made by me that is a claim claiming that Jesus is a liar.

"I suppose I will think about that thought today from many different angles as well as ask Jeff what he thinks about that."

I'm not sure, at this point, what the thought is that will be asked of Jeff.

bear, "Hey Jeff, this Joe guys and this Frank guy both agree that Jesus is a Liar, so what do you make of that lie Jeff?"

I don't know what you are thinking, and my guess is that a big part of that ignorance I have, concerning what you are thinking, involves the use of the English language as the medium of exchange being used to accomplish the goal of knowing, better, what you think.

Another big problem is the often recurring problem where any feeling of being misunderstood is turned into a feeling of being attacked by someone and then there can be an affect of counter attack to the falsely claimed attack, on and on.

"What is the Word in English that you have created that accurately expresses the common denominator that those 12 share?"

Legal Crime

Is it in a dictionary?

Here is a test for you. I use the term Legal Crime often. Google the term Legal Crime.

Legal Crime is the common denominator, or concern, shared by all those who focus attention, power of will, to fight against it.

You can't, for example, expect to fight against Legal Crime by volunteering to be a Legal Criminal.

If it is crime, don't do it, so what does that leave in the fight against Legal Crime, if your hands are tied, so to speak, and you will not become one of them?

"I don’t think I have ever felt you are attacking me or my Jesus talk. And I appreciate your patience in allowing me to voice what you hear as babble."

Frank may have spoken or written specific words that claim errors in The Bible concerning what Jesus did, or did not say, so I have to be separated from Frank in that way, because I have done no such thing.

I can say that the words offered by Frank include words that advice anyone to avoid, as in please avoid, in his words, any ideas of believing anything Frank says, he says, if I remember correctly, that the information offered by Frank can be checked for validity, and his advice is repeated often by him, suggesting that it is necessary for everyone to check for themselves, and he says, over and over again, advice that says, warns, listeners against belief in what Franks says without checking the information.

If there is a battle between those who believe in what is written into The Bible and those who offer information that suggests that The Bible, and in particular the King James version of The Bible, is less than completely accurate, then that is for those people to fight that battle.

As far as I am concerned The Creator has no need for interpreters, as I've said, I'm available for any appointments scheduled by The Creator, and I am powerless to break those appointments.

I have no pony in the show concerning The Bible and what Jesus said or may have not said, in any case.

I have a keen interest in knowing better from worse.

"Thank you for the help in knowing what to do. That will be my top “down time” priority. I am going to do book work and it will cause me not to be able to discuss for a little while because I am not balanced enough to do more than one extra thing at a time."

I miss discussions with you, when the supply dwindles, I miss sharing ideas, which is a whole lot better than the all-to-frequent cases of dictation offered by dictators.

Joe

2 Things

"I have a keen interest in knowing better from worse."

Romans 10:17 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

May I kindly suggest that you read the Bible? May I also ask that you ask God specifically to reveal to you whether or not Jesus Christ is who the Bible declares Him to be?

Those 2 things

1) Read the Bible

2) Ask God if Jesus as God Himself died for you.

Those 2 things
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"Here is where the idea I woke up with may measure up as an example of brilliance. What must be understood is the fact that there already is a New World Order and the form that this POWER takes is more accurately labeled The Dollar Hegemony, or The World Reserve Currency Power. These are not fantasies of my imagination. The current World Reserve Currency Power is claimed to be The Dollar Hegemony, or The U.S. Dollar, or The Federal Reserve Note."

Yes, I think that as well, but I also think that hte Dollar Hegemony is not the end game. I believe the end game is a cashless society such that only numbers are transfered from individual to individual and that in accordance with Revelation 13

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. http://beta.biblestudytools.com/kjv/revelation/13.html

The new conglomarate pharmacy in town causes its employes to have a barcode sticker on their forehand that they must use each time they log into the computer system. We live in a day where the technology is available. (I just had a creepy thought, maybe they are reducing the world population so that they can manage the system.)
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"I miss discussions with you, when the supply dwindles, I miss sharing ideas, which is a whole lot better than the all-to-frequent cases of dictation offered by dictators."

Thank you for those words they are mutual. And I will look forward to discussing again.

...

You did.

"May I kindly suggest that you read the Bible? May I also ask that you ask God specifically to reveal to you whether or not Jesus Christ is who the Bible declares Him to be?"

Which Bible?

If I am asked to do something, my wife asks me, my son asks me, my bosses in the past ask me, I do things my way, or I am reprimanded for not doing things their way, then I say give me the script.

Give me the exact way I am supposed to do what you ask of me to do, or I will do what you ask me to do my way.

Here is an example. If I go down the path of seeking the true word of God then I don't think that I will find that true word of God in The King James Version (English) of The Bible, so I will be looking much deeper into the information on that subject offered by Frank O'Collins.

If, on the other hand, you want me to go step by step, reading this sentence and then that sentence, as you point to those sentences, you authorize me to read this, and that, sentence, then I can do that, because you ask me to do that, in that way, and in that way precisely.

I run into this many times in the past, present, and why would this not happen in the future? I will do as asked, my way, or exactly your way, let me know which way you want, and I can do that, or I can be incapable of doing anything else without specific instructions ordering me to do things exactly as told every second of my life.

Yes, I appreciate the opportunity to honor a request by someone, and yes I can do exactly what I am asked to do, up to a demonstrable, accurate, limit, exactly as those limits appear in time and place.

Word by word, sentence by sentence, precisely what you want me to read, when you want me to read it, can be done in time.

Yes.

The answer is yes.

"May I kindly suggest that you read the Bible?"

Give me the first word first, and then the next one, and then the next one, and I will read those words that you ask me to read. I can comment on them, each in turn, or you can ask me to not comment on them, each in turn, as time goes by in this process.

I can do that, yes, I want to do that, because you ask for me to do that, and why not?

"May I also ask that you ask God specifically to reveal to you whether or not Jesus Christ is who the Bible declares Him to be?"

Which Bible?

Which sentence in the Bible?

Which declaration?

Why don't I ask God to tell me if I can trust your beliefs?

What if I told you that I have been asking God since age 10, and what if I told you that I could believe, or I could disbelieve, that God answered me by connecting me to Frank O'Collins so that I will then be connected to the information discovered and studied by Frank O'Collins whereby the evidence reports what was done by this person, such as King James, at this time, in this place, and then God, doing what God does typically in my case, leaves it up to me to figure it out?

"May I also ask that you ask God specifically to reveal to you whether or not Jesus Christ is who the Bible declares Him to be?"

Which Bible, which sentence, who wrote that sentence, how do you know that the sentence was not written by a deceiver?

I ask. I ask. I ask. When can you understand that I ask, I ask, I ask, I ask. I open the door, the people in suits, and in dresses, are invited into this house, I speak with them, about their versions of The Bible, and I ask the same question, I ask the same question before I found you, connecting with words to you, I ask, I ask, I ask: how do you know that The Bible was not written by The Devil?

When the answer is: "It says so in The Bible," then the conversation ends soon thereafter, because that is not a reasonable answer.

The Nazi arrives at the door, and says it is nothing personal, everything of value must be taken, for the greater good, everything will be consumed, no questions, no rebuttals, no arguments, no defense, the power is absolute, just following orders, here we go, and for just a moment the Nazi expresses something resembling care, and so I get to ask, why are you doing this, and the answer is that this is written here, here, and here, so the case is closed.

A moment later the Nazi is again expressing a measure of care, and I can ask why, why, why do you follow those orders, written there, there, and there, and a page is turned, and it says so right there, and it is merely a copy, and if Frank can be trusted, then the original copy is blood used as ink written on the skin taken from murdered children.

Here is this dear, careful, friend named bear, here am I, and there is Frank, and we are connected in ways that can be accurately measured. One connection is green ink on papers called dollars.

One connection is black letters on white background on computer screens.

One connection is a firm belief in one creator who creates things, but then, that connection becomes confused in significant ways, so that may be the least powerful connection because of all the confusion.

Why is the money, the single money, connection the most powerful connection, the most precise connection, the most destructive connection?

Is it because the other connections depend upon an even worse medium of exchange compared to the fraud money?

Is English the medium of exchange that is like a carpenter teaching carpentry to an apprentice by picking up a wet spaghetti noodle to be used to connect a seat to a leg on a chair?

Look son, this is how this is done?

Darkness, darkness, darkness, and here are your empty promises to be used to shed light?

I am not speaking about Jesus being a liar, please get past that, what I am saying, again, again, again, in English, is that English is like the wet spaghetti noodle, and English is like the empty promises, and a competitive comparison of one tool side by side with another tool can illustrate the point.

1a.
Screws, nails, and glue
1b.
A wet spaghetti noodle

2a.
Accurate facts measured in great detail
2b.
Empty promises

3a.
Federal Reserve Notes
3b.
English

1 above is carpentry, the fixing of legs to seats when making a chair.

2 above is the knowing of better ways to go through life.

3 above is the better way to communicate among human beings for better or for worse.

I am not subject to belief as you are, in any way you can measure it, and in any way I can measure it, so your request of me can be honored in your way, precisely your way, each step of the way, in time and place, or, and inevitably, I have to actually take each step, following your specific, precise, orders, each step of the way, or failing to stick to that procedure, I wander off that specific path, and time goes on in that altered direction each time I wander off that path ordered by you.

Which sentence in the Bible first?

Which precise question do you think I don't ask, whereby now you think I could ask, since I don't ask this question of God, never have, but I can start now.

"May I also ask that you ask God specifically to reveal to you whether or not Jesus Christ is who the Bible declares Him to be?"

Suppose, again, I asked that, actually that, precisely that, which assumes a whole lot since we are speaking in English, and since we have not had perfect success in communicating accurately in our experience to date, but suppose I have asked and suppose God sent me to Frank?

Forget that, it is not even possible?

So, forgetting that that is even remotely possible, then, now, I am going to ask God to do as you ask me to ask God to do, and that can happen, since it has not happened, so form the question precisely, in English, for me, please.

I can then have the exact question in view, or I can just ask for you to acknowledge the exact question as I think the exact question is from you to me.

This:

"Please God: reveal to me whether or not Jesus Christ is who the Bible declares Him to be?"

Do you want me to ask that question many times or one time? If many times then how many times? Can I ask that anywhere, or should I ask that at some place specific? Do I have to actually know what it is I'm asking, since I don't at this time know what it is I'm asking for, since the English words are too vague, and therefore potentially misleading for me to know precisely what it is I am actually asking if those are the words I am supposed to be using when I ask God this question?

__________________________________
Those 2 things

1) Read the Bible

2) Ask God if Jesus as God Himself died for you.

Those 2 things
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That is more specific. Do I ask out-loud? How many times out-loud? Should I find a priest? Should I be at an alter? Should I drink some wine to simulate drinking blood? Should I eat some bread to simulate eating flesh? Most importantly, to me, why do you still think that I do not ask, almost all the time, for help from God, in any form, any form at all, please, please, please God, please, please help me.

I don't ask the right questions?

I don't speak the right words?

Your questions are better questions than my open ended pleas for help?

I can ask God to poke me with a hot poker to get me on the right path, please, do your worst, whatever, as far as I know, I am on the wrong path one minute, the right path the next, on my own, so bring it on, bring it on, I'm here, and as far as I know you know how to reach me, God, whenever.

So I am not asking the right questions?

You can help me ask the right questions?

You care enough to offer me a better way, and so I agree, and so let me know exactly what I am to ask, when to ask it, how I should ask it, fast, or slow, or really slow, or loud, or a whisper, or whatever is the right way to ask the right questions.

Let me know, precisely, since failing to know precisely is wrong, obviously.

I have not be chosen, yet, or ever, because, obviously, I don't ask the right questions?

Note the question mark.

"Yes, I think that as well, but I also think that hte Dollar Hegemony is not the end game. I believe the end game is a cashless society such that only numbers are transfered from individual to individual and that in accordance with Revelation 13"

Again the medium of exchange is proving to be insufficient, or powerless, in reaching the goal of accurate communication, since the source of the money, in whatever form, paper, things, digits, whatever, is not the POINT, or not the PRINCIPLE, the FORM the Monopoly Money takes, originating from the same source, only points to the PRINCIPLE, the creator of the form, and here I think you are less competitive in measuring how things work out on the bad path.

On the bad path the criminals no longer have rules that govern themselves and therefore there won't be such things as computer networks that work, since there is no one to maintain them, having no true leadership, no common goals, not among the criminals, and not among the victims, the form of currency becomes cruder, not more elaborate.

Examples such as offered by Sergey in his histories of Russia exemplify what happens when Legal is dropped from Crime and there is only Crime left to be in force, forcing people, connecting people by that force of crime without anything resembling Legality, Legitimacy, Authority, of any kind other than Might making Right, which is, again, a self-evident lie.

To me this is like the reverse of the Tar Baby Fable, as digital currency is competitive in the sense of being very high in qualities, such as accuracy, accountability, reliability, and having a fixed power to purchase that does not change deceptively if at all, and the costs of such a competitive currency, legal or otherwise, are reduced down to a minimum. So to me the Legal Criminals invent a Boogie Man whereby no one in their right mind would ever dream of going to a digital currency because doing so is the path to Hell on Earth, of course, and therefore anyone touching such a thing, anyone even thinking about it, will burn in Hell forever.

Those are my thoughts about that in English, and those are not my thoughts that Jesus is a liar, because, and again, if I have a thought that Jesus is a liar, instead of those thoughts I did write, I could write "Jesus is a liar" because that is what I thought instead of what I did think, so any taking out of what I actually wrote, which is what I actually think, and any placing of "Jesus is a liar" put in place of what I actually thought, and what I actually think is not my doing.

"The new conglomarate pharmacy in town causes its employes to have a barcode sticker on their forehand that they must use each time they log into the computer system. We live in a day where the technology is available. (I just had a creepy thought, maybe they are reducing the world population so that they can manage the system.)"

I think that Legal Criminals are only able to gain any power, at all, by crude means, and any power they have otherwise is power generated by good means, but it is good means stolen, again proving the point. So...having that understood in my mind, but perhaps not anyone else having that understood, and me not having a means by which to communicate this measure of things accurately, I can stumble around in the dark, using a wet noodle instead of a flash light, and I can try to convey what that means in context.

What that means in context, is that End Times, so called, will be crude, not elaborate, whereby the lack of any good things, any good ideas, any good actions, is exactly that, that way, as the worst are better, and as the better are made worse, because all those good things that could work to credit the good for being good, and all those good things that could discredit bad people for being bad, precisely, are unused.

In other words the End Times reported by the bad people are lies, misdirections, and whole fabrications of falsehood, so much so that the good people who have good ideas, who do good things, are punished for having those good ideas, and punished for doing good things, and the bad people are rewarded for doing bad things, and the bad people are rewarding for those really good (if destruction is good), if not predictable, ideas. The best destroyers have the best ideas since War is so, so, so, good for the economy.

In other words the End Times are not mysterious, elaborate, complex, mazes of technological wizardry, they are instead, base, simple, and predictable. End Times, having many examples in history to pick from, and study, and know, and avoid, if anyone cares to avoid End Times, are times when crime pays really well.

Bands of very obedient people follow very evil leaders, hither and thither, searching for and finding anyone weaker and therefore anyone worth destroying, the most evil doing what every evil person does best, or even better, again very predictable, very base, stuff, such as lying.

Lying is on the short list.

They also threaten.

That is on the short list.

They are also violent.

There is the whole list, and before End Times there are people who were innocent, but that pool of innocent people dries up in a pool of innocent blood, and therefore in End Times there are no more innocent people left, not even babies, because really evil people, worth their title, worth that authority, eat babies.

Why go there? The answer is always the same.

I was just following orders.

Which orders where those?

Were those orders elaborate orders?

No, they are always the same orders, each time.

1.
Lie

2.
Threaten

3.
Rob, Rape, Torture, Murder, and Mass Murder also known as Violence.

Short list, not complicated, easy to see on a chart, easy to measure accurately, precisely, and unmistakably what it is exactly, with any words that you want to use, in any language, whenever anyone cares to label it, an accurate label, or a false label, once it is in your face you know what it is, with or without the label.

Crime

Legal Crime is merely a stepping stone.

When it is no longer Crime hidden behind a False Front, it is what it is, and I don't need one good book to clue me in about it, it is abundantly clear, it is the same thing each time, the same short list, each time.

1.
Lies
2.
Threats
3.
Violence

Crime

Invest in it, what do you think you will get?

"Thank you for those words they are mutual. And I will look forward to discussing again."

I jumped ahead in the Episodes to a current Episode and my question is now (I have to check) recorded in Episode 131.

I can discuss my question to Frank in detail if you care to do so too.

I plan on attending the Wednesday events as I can, and eventually I will find how to call and speak to Frank directly.

We don't have to discuss anything relating to Frank, but his answer to my first question inspires me to ask more questions.

Joe

Lies

“To me this is like the reverse of the Tar Baby Fable, as digital currency is competitive in the sense of being very high in qualities, such as accuracy, accountability, reliability, and having a fixed power to purchase that does not change deceptively if at all, and the costs of such a competitive currency, legal or otherwise, are reduced down to a minimum.”

I would say that it depends on who is in control of the data. The Legal Criminals have digital currency now and they transfer as much as they want whenever they want without the cost of printing on paper. What is a credit card? What is a check? What happens when you pay your credit bill with a check or with an online transfer from your bank account? All electronic. The only difference between that and then is that then the data will be resident in your own personal mark or chip or whatever housed inside your body. Sounds good does it?

“and here I think you are less competitive in measuring how things work out on the bad path.
On the bad path the criminals no longer have rules that govern themselves and therefore there won't be such things as computer networks that work, since there is no one to maintain them, having no true leadership, no common goals, not among the criminals, and not among the victims, the form of currency becomes cruder, not more elaborate.”

The devil himself will give The Antichrist power. Miracles will be performed. Everything will be great for 3.5 years. There will even be peace on earth! But after those first 3.5 years all hell will break loose for the 2nd 3.5 years. Those last 3.5 years are called the Great Tribulation. Jesus said:

• Matthew 24:21 KJV
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

• Matthew 24:29 KJV
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then after that Jesus said:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Satan is the god of this World and he has power and will have complete power during the tribulation. So you are right, when Legal is removed from crime, hell breaks loose. And it will worse than ever has been seen.

He will cause all, both small and great, rich and poor, bond and free to have a mark in order to buy or sell. We are headed that direction as we speak. I believe I have even Ron Paul say the Dollar will crash and that a new monetary system will be put into place and that is why we should have something ready.

Satan does this:

• 2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

And this is why I keep talking to you about the Bible and God and Jesus:

• 1 John 5:4 KJV
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Would you like to read the Bible of the man whose bones were exhumed and burned?
That would be John Wycliffe’s translation –Old English- circa 1395: http://beta.biblestudytools.com/wyc/1-john/5.html

Or would you like to read the Bible of the man who was strangled and burned at the stake?
That would be William Tyndale’s translation –Middle English- circa 1500’s: http://beta.biblestudytools.com/tyn/1-john/5.html

Would you like to read the Bible of the Pilgrims and those who fled to the Americas in the early 1600’s because of persecutions?

That would be the Geneva Bible translated in Switzerland by those who had fled there because of persecution – Early Modern English – circa 1560. This translation contains study notes: http://beta.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/geneva-study-bi...

There are no magic words or magic places or magic times of repetition. I am simply asking that you simply and sincerely from your heart ask in your words

"Please God: reveal to me whether or not Jesus Christ is who the Bible declares Him to be."

No need for chanting, no need for repetition, no need for any food, drink or ceremony of any type. Just you talking to God. I would say “the Creator,” but from listening to Cooper, I have learned that there are those who think that Lucifer is the Creator.

As far as reading the Bible. I was meaning reading the actual Bible. I have listed different links above that are previous to King James and/or copywrite. They were translated by people who suffered for their faith.
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Certainly you have been linked to Frank for some reason. If he is an apostate, I can tell you who linked you to him. I think he is an apostate because the One Heaven site says this http://one-heaven.org/content/about.html :

“The Covenant of the United States of Spirits, of One Heaven is the fulfillment of that dream and promised- that one day humanity will be united, that the war between heaven and hell, between heaven and earth shall finally be over.
It is the fulfillment of a journey that began with the earliest and greatest of human minds, the great ancient prophets and sages of ancient empires. The Greeks, the Romans, the Arabs, the Jews, the Buddhists, the Chinese, the Mayan, the Hopi, the Indus, the Hindu and the many more cultures that have existed and continue to exist.
The dream is that one day, when we all die we might be in Heaven and that one day, we might witness the uniting of all human minds, the forgiving of our sins and the ending of the most ancient of curses.
The dream is now fulfilled through the The official Covenant of One Heaven “

That is opposed to The Lord Jesus Christ who is the only name given among men whereby we must be saved. There is salvation in no other name. The Myans worshipped the Sun as god. Cooper will give you the background. You may be interested in what can be done today, but I suggest that you find out what god Frank is talking about and what god Frank is using for power.

And then here: http://one-heaven.org/content/about_god.html The very first sentence is a lie.
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“We are the architects of our doom and our destiny, not God. We are the ones that have created Hell on Earth, not God. And if we ever do destroy ourselves again, it will because of individuals, not “God’s Will” that such madness happens.
Religions have no right to perpetuate such lies and false claims of representing that which they know nothing about, nor can ever hope to properly represent.
Instead, the world is given the Ucadian model, the great constitutions of unity and the wisdom of understanding as an attempt to end the cycle of madness that entraps people in beliefs of supreme beings, but abdicate all responsibility and capacity to make the world a better place themselves.
The time has come to end such foolish behaviour and to hold ourselves accountable and responsible for our own destiny and the future well being of our family, our community, our nations, our regions, our planet and our solar system.”

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The world is given the UCA model by whom?

Who exactly is abdicating responsibility to make the world a better place?

The last sentence is also a lie.

Liars lie.
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1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

To believe on the Son is to believe Salvation is available thru none other, but only the Son.
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http://one-heaven.org/content/about_covenant.html :

And yet a sacred Divine promise was made, that one day war in Heaven and on Earth would come to an end.
This day has arrived.

Really?

http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/3.html: ”The first such covenant to claim "equal status" between Level 6 Self Aware Life Forms and superior spirits was the infamous blood libel of Persian leader of the Uryan (Aryan) Empire known as BabaRab I (272-309), also known as “Baba Rabban”, also known as “Baba Metzia” after 325 CE who according to corrupted texts succeeded in tricking through argument the lord of the underworld known as “Satan” and also “Sabaoth” and later as G-D to entering into an unholy Covenant.

Therefore, in accordance with the powers and authority granted through this most sacred Covenant, all symbols whether occult or benign are claimed as the sole authority of the Society of One Heaven and no other. Furthermore, any claimed supernatural, mystical or customary use of such symbols, except by those officials authorized in accordance with this Covenant, are hereby null, void and without force or effect.
The continued use of such symbols, in particular those symbols claimed within this Covenant as exclusively for the use of entities and officials of the Society of One Heaven, is absolutely forbidden from this moment forward.”

http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/5.html :

“6. To establish contact and confirm treaties and unity with other Level 6 Higher order life forms
To fulfil the mission of the Divine Creator and make contact and unite the Level 6 Higher Order life forms within the local star system and Milky Way Galaxy within the next great cycle of three thousand two hundred ten years, including but not limited to the the Griseo Morbidus (Standard Grey), the Cerastis Sapiens (Horned Reptoids), the Android Scitus (Smart Androids), the Cyborg Sagax (Autonomous Cyborgs), the Serpens Sophos (Smooth Skinned Reptoids), the Volucris Permuto (Hybrid Bird Form), the Homo Adamus (Early Humanoids), the Sapientia Mutatis (Transformed Wisdom Being), the Mammaloid Sentientiae (Conscious Mammaloids), the Griseo Altus (Tall Grey) and the Serpens Alatus (Winged Reptoids).
http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/6.html
Recognition of former negative Spirits and Deities as Allies (link)
By the power and authority of the present Covenant as a historic treaty and final Covenant in recognition of the peace between angels and arch demons, it is hereby recognized that Satan and his key generals are henceforth acknowledged as Great Spirits and Deities.
In accord with the treaty of peace, amity and good will within the present Covenant, let it be known to all that there no longer exists any conflict, state of war or orchestration of evil by former arch demons, demons or negative deities. Furthermore, all souls previously trapped, bound, claimed, cursed as damned, or tormented souls under organized custody known as Hell, or Purgatory, or Limbo or Hades and any derivative thereof have officially been released and such states of negativity have been dissolved.
Therefore, henceforth by the power and authority of the present Covenant, Satan and his generals as recognized and respected Great Spirits and Deities and full Members of One Heaven are fully eligible for election as one (1) of the one hundred forty four (144) Great Spirits and Deities as the Executive Government of One Heaven according to the rules of a Supreme Conclave of One Heaven.”

Here Frank places The Lord God Jehovah YHWH in the same circle of deities as Baal and Dagon and Moloch and Ra and Satan.

"(ix) The twenty four (24) Supreme Spiritual Deities duly elected were:
• God [000000-000000-000131],
• El [000000-000000-000107],
• Allah [000000-000000-000014],
• Amen [000000-000000-000019],
• Ba’al [000000-000000-000058],
• Iblis [000000-000000-000151],
• Jehovah [000000-000000-000159],
• Cybele [000000-000000-000095],
• Dagon [000000-000000-000096],
• Thoth [000000-000000-000327],
• Athena [000000-000000-000052],
• Aten [000000-000000-000051],
• Isis [000000-000000-000158],
• Para Brahman [000000-000000-000253],
• Rama [000000-000000-000274],
• Vishnu [000000-000000-000338],
• Marduk [000000-000000-000205],
• Moloch [000000-000000-000226],
• Ptah (Peter) [000000-000000-000263],
• Ra [000000-000000-000268],
• Sabaoth [000000-000000-000284],
• Satan [000000-000000-000288],
• Seth [000000-000000-000302],
• YHWH [000000-000000-000353]."

The document written by Frank O’Connor is above the Bible? And EVERY AND ALL CLERGY have been pronounced as officers of One Heaven?
http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/133.html

"The most sacred Society of One Faith of God, also known as the One Holy Apostolic Church, also known as the Holy Universal Church, also known as One Faith of God is the first, the highest and the primary association, aggregate, body, entity and society of Members of One Heaven sharing spiritual heritage associated with all forms of Christian, Gnostic and Jewish faiths.

In accord with the intention and consent of the one (1) true Divine Creator, all existence, angels, saints, demons and all spirits of united Heaven it is hereby pronounced that any deceased or presently living higher order life being having professed their faith in Christianity, Judaism or Gnosticism is a Member of One Faith of God as well as a Member of One Heaven.

Therefore all living Level 6 Life Forms who profess to be Christian, Jewish or Gnostic are ipso facto (as a matter of fact) subject first to the laws of One Heaven and second to the laws of One Faith of God above any other lesser society, association, entity or body.

Furthermore, it is hereby pronounced that every and all ordained, acknowledged, commissioned or certified clergy of any Christian, Jewish or Gnostic body are officers of One Faith of God and subject to the laws and obligations of One Faith of God first above any other lesser society, association, entity or body."

http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/133.html “133.3 Conveyance of Rights, Ownership, Land, Property and Uses “

What?

133.6
Excommunication from Office of Heretical and Belligerent Clergy (link)
Any living Level 6 Life Form who holds any form of religious office by claiming to possess some right of authority to speak, teach or write on matters of faith concerning Christianity, Judaism or Gnosticism that subsequently repudiated any element of the present Article or the present Covenant as a whole shall be guilty of a grave transgression against Heaven and against Christianity, Judaism and Gnosticism and shall automatically be known as an Apostate and so immediately severed and excommunicated from any legitimate position or office.
Thereafter, any act, statement or document issued by such an Apostate shall have no effect in law and shall be null and void from the beginning.
Furthermore, any Clergy holding senior office that ignore their solemn obligations by failing to respond to an offer of extraordinary, special or ordinary qualification as listed by the present Covenant shall be forever known as an Apostate against Heaven and Christianity, Judaism and Gnosticism from the expiry of such qualification.

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I am done with this. This information is opposed to the Word of God. Sets itself up above the Word of God. I will not listen to anymore of Franks talks. Frank will have to take my life as I will never join One Heaven or participate in any way with his contract. I am an apostate of One Heaven and will always be so. My allegiance is to none other than God the Father and His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit who resides within me.

Furthermore, I see a lot of involuntary associations announced in the One Heaven Covenant which claims to supercede all previous religious covenants, written by Frank O’Connor himself.

What is in the name O’Connor?

Con?

http://one-heaven.org/content/members.html
"Membership to One-Heaven is granted to every man, woman, higher order life, living or deceased, no matter what their background, behaviour, beliefs or regrets.

By Article 38 of Pactum De Singularis Caelum, Unique Membership Numbers representing the right to Heaven of each and every man, woman and higher order being, living and deceased.

Therefore you are already a member, having been granted unconditional, permanent and irrevocable membership rights to Heaven, whether you choose to acknowledge One Heaven and this fact or not."

That there says I am already a member whether I choose to acknowledge the fact or not. How is that voluntary? Frank O'Connor wrote a document and claimed me as a member?

Josf, have you read all the stuff that O'Connor has written? He has written Lies and claimed them as Truth and says it supercedes all other previous truth.

Be very careful my friend.

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Competitive puzzle pieces?

Which is better?

1. Competitive forms of agreement among people who do not seek to destroy life, each other, themselves, as a rule, a golden rule if you will, may, can, or competitively speaking, if you choose voluntarily.

2. Monopolistic forms of disagreement among people who seek to destroy life, each other, themselves, as a rule, might making right, which is a lie, so the who thing is a choice to resort to deception, volunteers in crime.

If we are all bad, then we all choose 1, as a rule, because that is our nature. I don't. I trust that you don't either, and trust does not exist in the word built upon deception: naturally.

So you wrote:

"I would say that it depends on who is in control of the data."

I said all those words before voluntarily responding to that welcome sentence, in the effort to offer my viewpoint and hopefully improve upon my viewpoint while hopefully improving your viewpoint, and the answer I have has to do with the force of competition.

Which person is in control of which data?

If group 1 is in control of the data it is because they choose to be in control of that data, and will that data be forced higher in quality, higher in accuracy, higher in power to purchase, higher in adaptability to any unforeseen circumstances, and will those people in that group also force the cost down, and down, and down to a minimum, because the people in that group allow competition, and therefore they allow individuals to offer, as in Open Source, as in Free Market, as in Liberty, allowing individuals to offer improvements, actually welcoming improvements?

"I would say that it depends on who is in control of the data."

The criminals who took over are the same criminals who took over the one money, and so that is an obviously measurable problem when those criminals who took over "improve" the money they control, the people they control, and the data they control.

When the criminals who took over allow a competitive money to exist it is a lesser power money, inferior, lower in quality, and higher in cost, and it is as counterfeit, as based upon FRAUD, as based upon EXTORTION, and as based upon horrible, never ending, VIOLENCE as the money invented, produced, and maintained by the Dominant Power of Might (lies, threats, violence) currently DOMINATING or MONOPOLIZING everything.

1.
Competition, a force in Liberty.

2.
Counterfeit competition, which is deception as a force in Despotism.

Which group do people join when they are subjects?

Which group do people "join" when they are subjects of deception?

Which group would people join if there was a choice, a free choice, free from deception, threat, and violence?

Which people is answered by each person in turn, and to suggest that it is natural for people to choose to be "volunteered" into this age of Monopoly Legal Crime is to conclude that we are all a bunch of liars, without exception.

There are exceptions everywhere I look, people desiring to know the truth, because they know that most of the information is ALREADY controlled, manipulated, counterfeited, falsified, by whichever people are in that business of FALSE advertizements.

I'm from the government, and I'm here to help, you have to pay or die, as you know, war is good for the economy, and those who don't pay their fair share, are terrorists, and therefore they must be interrogated with enhanced techniques, extraordinarily rendered, and disappeared, and since those who don't pay their fare share increase the costs of doing business we have to quantitatively ease our own power to purchase with our austerity measures while, of course, the best and brightest of us get our bonuses, and our bail-outs, because we are so bright, we are so much the best that can be that we are too big to fail on our way to the collapse we can not avoid perpetually at "our" expense, naturally.

"I would say that it depends on who is in control of the data."

I think a few names are on the money trail that leads to the actual people who actually depend upon their control of that specific data: Ben Bernanke, Osama Obama whatever Barry Soetoro, bigger fish, smaller fish, small pond of parasites, polluting the water - literally and figuratively.

In Liberty (competition that is not counterfeit) they are just people selling snake oil. Who is buying?

"What is a credit card? What is a check?"

The denomination there is not Catholic, or Christian, per se, but it is false religion, the denomination is Federal Reserve Notes, so the device of transmission being a plastic card, or a piece of paper, appears to misdirect focus away from the fact that the denomination is counterfeit, a crime in progress, and therefore the credit cards, and the checks, are, in fact, inculpatory pieces of evidence, or accurate records recording the crime in progress, follow the counterfeit denomination back to the source of that false religion and what can be found?

You did ask:

"I would say that it depends on who is in control of the data."

Before finding your welcome response I looked at this:

http://www.dailypaul.com/289029/bam-i-am-not-here-as-a-serf-...

I keep saying this, not in a derogatory way, in such a way as to convey some humor, if at all possible, when this country has to depend upon the girl scouts for courage then the obvious question is to ask what happened to all the men?

They are being abused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9bPPjlSMwo

I took a walk yesterday, and I felt a powerful wind, the increased pressure ahead reminded me of flying. God allowed me to fly like a bird, and God allows me to retain that memory, and I can almost feel the freedom of that state of being, flying, in my memory.

Not many people are allowed to fly like a bird. I thank God for that, and much more. I owe, or am I credited?

These are random thoughts being offered, or "what is on my mind" at this time, inspired, in part, by your welcome words.

"What happens when you pay your credit bill with a check or with an online transfer from your bank account? All electronic. The only difference between that and then is that then the data will be resident in your own personal mark or chip or whatever housed inside your body. Sounds good does it?"

I've heard some disturbing sounding information, but it rings so true, and I am not disturbed much, just more competitive puzzle pieces, and your words inspire me to repeat this information to you, for your consideration.

A deposit into a Legal Crime Bank (denominated in counterfeit fraud records of the crime in progress; or dollars, or Federal Reserve Notes) are gifts made to the Bank from the "depositor" so even the word "deposit" is fraudulent. The word "deposit" means, legally, as in Legal Crime, means, means, means, your Debt Notes are transferred as a gift by you to the Bank.

Of course, and I am not at all surprised, why would I be surprised, and it fits into the mold, it fits into the plan, it fits into the scheme of things, it is part and parcel to the whole of Legal Crime, fitting like a glove - more inculpatory evidence.

It is here, now, in our faces, Crime made Legal, the worst of the worst cracking the whip, pushing the buttons, torturing and mass murdering millions on a regular basis and being paid handsomely for each scream, and each innocent body piled unto the pile of reaped souls, the more destruction the higher the pay rate.

News?

If you offer me words in English, words cut and pasted out of The Kings James Bible, are you expecting me to suddenly believe those words in the same way you believe those words? I am asking because I want to know the accurate answer. I can respond by cutting and pasting some information I read yesterday, and the information I read yesterday is either factual, accurate, and conveyed honestly, or it is in some way deceptive and therefore someone, somewhere, cooked the books.

I refrain from reporting to you the information I found yesterday for reasons that include a need to ask you first, to ask if you care to read the information I found yesterday, for reasons that include something along the lines of fair, as in equitable, not fare as in you owe me something, warning.

The information I found, if true, does not add any credibility, in my mind, to words written in English, in the King James Bible.

I do want to know what Jesus said, and I do want to know what lies in the future.

I do not want more of the same falsehoods that are invented by, produced by, and maintained by people, inhuman people, who choose that way of life.

"He will cause all, both small and great, rich and poor, bond and free to have a mark in order to buy or sell. We are headed that direction as we speak. I believe I have even Ron Paul say the Dollar will crash and that a new monetary system will be put into place and that is why we should have something ready."

To me there are many falsehoods mixed in with many common sense things to think about and things to do according to those thoughts derived from that mix of accurate perceptions mixed in with that mix of inaccurate perceptions. One thing, obvious to anyone, any human being, is a need to get the power required to survive, and survive well.

Hot water does not fall from the sky. Living well, it seems to me, is having a hot shower. Food does not fall from the sky, on and on.

Yes, Ron Paul, yes, common sense advice. Look over there, those guys are criminals, see them, they are immoral, and look at me, I'm a Congressman supposedly having the legal POWER to CHECK as in CHECKS and BALANCES on Legal Money, and look how POWERLESS Law is against those immoral people, such as that Ben Bernanke, for one example, see, see how this works, see, the game is over, they are criminals, see, see how this works? We lost Liberty. I have news for Ron Paul, it was lost in 1788 with the signing of the Slave Trade Deal known alternately as The Dirty Compromise and The Constitution of the United States of The Monopoly Money Corporation.

So the advice, hidden in plain sight, includes a power flowing from those who produce it to those who will use that stolen power to steal more, and more, and more, until there isn't anything more to steal.

That is not news, that may or may not be truly Biblical, it happens on a regular basis, on timetables, because inhuman beings roam the Earth, for centuries, doing what they do best, and getting paid a lot for each soul they reap.

Not news. Not "coming to a theater near you," so much as Routine, on a Schedule, Centuries already gone by this way, and Centuries ahead, this same way, unless honest productive people access their own power and choose to avoid having their own power stolen, flowing, flowing, flowing, to those who then use that stolen power to steal more.

How much power is in one human soul?

I have 2 kids, so I have a way to measure the accurate answer to that question I just asked you, or anyone, and so the obvious, common sense, follow up question is to ask why would anyone allow anyone else to reap the souls out of our children for fun and profit?

Why pay the soul reapers more, and more, and more, and everything that you hold dear, and for what?

A false sense of security?

What Joe, what are you theorizing in your insane conspiracies now?

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amend...

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

All that is DENOMinated in Federal Reserve Notes.

"That would be the Geneva Bible translated in Switzerland by those who had fled there because of persecution – Early Modern English – circa 1560."

Do you know the history of the invention, production, and maintenance of English Language? I do not. I now have one competitive source of information reporting on that question. Would you like to read that information on the invention, creation, and maintenance, or History, of English Language?

"No need for chanting, no need for repetition, no need for any food, drink or ceremony of any type. Just you talking to God. I would say “the Creator,” but from listening to Cooper, I have learned that there are those who think that Lucifer is the Creator."

Jesuits

That is a word in English.

I don't care which English words are used by the most powerful criminals on this planet, they are all false, if the most powerful criminals on this planet used accurate symbols to label themselves then their accurate symbols would be DEMONIC symbols that stand to warn anyone coming in contact with them, in any way, as to what business they bring to the table.

They bring torture, they bring mass murder, they bring destruction, and they hide all of it behind deception, so funny, so, so, so funny, me quoting Shakespeare.

What's in a name? That which we call a rose?

"They were translated by people who suffered for their faith."

The routine repeats for centuries. Waco is an example of the suppression of information, not just any information, since false information is authorized by the Legal Criminals, so false information is subsidized, credited, made real by the Legal Criminals, but inculpatory evidence, on the other hand, well, what is behind the curtain?

"That is opposed to The Lord Jesus Christ who is the only name given among men whereby we must be saved."

In reference to Frank and his work I think that you are not speaking the truth. I think here, in this case, the error is a result of miscommunication. Frank says many things, and writes down many things, and then you translate what Frank writes, and your version is not his version, so where is the error?

I know, trust, feel, think, believe, whatever, that you are not willfully targeting Frank and speaking false words about him, or bearing false witness of Frank, not willfully, so the cause of the error is not willful, but the error is as obvious as black and white.

Frank writes something, and you write something, and they are not the same thing, so there is different meanings, from different perspectives, and so one is not the other, no matter how many times you may want to change what Frank says into being what you say Frank says, Frank is still speaking, he answered a question I offered to Frank on Wednesday. Frank can speak for himself. Frank can face his accusers as they may accuse him of this, or that, in any case whatsoever.

Now you are claiming that Frank is a liar, and you base your claim on your viewpoint of his viewpoint, which is your viewpoint, not his.

"We are the architects of our doom and our destiny, not God."

You claim that Frank is a liar.

That is how Born again Christians conduct their human affairs?

Your claim that Frank is a liar means something to you, and to me your claim means that Frank willfully distorts the truth, and if that is so, if that is what you mean, then you place your viewpoint superior to his viewpoint concerning the true relationship Frank has with God.

If that is true, if you are claiming that Frank willfully distorts the truth, then you are claiming that you know God better than Frank, you, not God, knows what Frank is, or is not, willfully reporting according to his, Frank's, current understanding of God.

In other words, you claim to know Frank's motives, finding him guilty before any defense Frank can muster, and since your public accusation passes sentence, in the form of public damnation, you execute the punishment of Frank by your willful actions, if that is what you mean, when you wrote that sentence in English.

"The very first sentence is a lie."

If you mean that someone else has lied, and if you mean that Frank is merely parroting a lie, then that leaves two obvious questions.

1.
Who invented that lie?

2.
What is the truth about God?

Your relationship to God is what it is, and it is beyond my capacity to know. If God is all powerful, as some people say, people who have a relationship to God, then God has the power to make Frank believe one thing, and God has the power to make you believe something else, and how you and Frank managed to compare notes, is up to you, and Frank.

I can suggest that it isn't nice to connect Frank to lies, direct connections, here are lies, here is Frank, without offering a defense for such a connection being made by you.

"The world is given the UCA model by whom?"

You are asking a question so as to find the accurate answer, or you are merely reinforcing your belief that Frank is either willfully lying or what?

Do you understand what Frank means when Frank employs the symbols UCA?

We can drop this subject matter entirely, between us two, as you please, and as this subject matter continues to be present, current, I am thoughtful of being kinder, gentler, and self censoring, so as not to injure anyone, not to attack any belief, not to discredit, not to bemoan, not to condemn.

I have my own brain working, my own perceptions, and the many puzzle pieces offered by Frank, historical references, documents, arrangements of symbols in English, prove to me to be competitive puzzle pieces as they fit here, and they fit there, better than having no piece in that place, and almost certainly not as good as the pieces that may arrive some time in the future.

I do not take everything Frank writes as being absolutely true, that is not how my brain works, and I also know, measurably, and accurately measurably, that English is very hazardous, filled with land mines, when English is used to accomplish the goal of traveling from ignorance to less ignorance, traveling over that mine field. So...I many not have a clue as to what Frank knows, as to what Frank thinks, as to what God is doing to help Frank, or as to what Frank may be doing with God's help.

"Who exactly is abdicating responsibility to make the world a better place?"

I think that Frank is contradicting himself, and I think that the source of that contradiction is the belief that things can be responsible for the actions of people. I already commented on one of Frank's Blogs as to that contention I have with his generous offerings of ideas.

On the one hand Frank writes:

"Religions have no right to..."

On the other hand Frank writes:

"And if we ever do destroy ourselves again, it will because of individuals, not “God’s Will” that such madness happens."

I am assuming that Frank wrote that, but as far as I know Frank is part of a small group of people working on the things they work on, in the way they work on those things. They are working on doing something about Legal Crime, as can be proven, in time.

Frank is alive today, working, as well as those who are working in that same group, currently, working.

Religion is a process, not a being unto itself, therefore "religion" can't be responsible, nor held accountable, for the thoughts and actions of individual people. We have gone over this again and again and there is much to this process that remains somewhat difficult to understand, having to do with external powers that may drive an individual, or inspire an individual, to think, and to act, in ways that the individual would not think, or act, absent those external powers working on that individual, so where is the origin of the external powers doing that work upon that individual?

Is it a good idea to follow the money back to the source?

Who invented the English language, and why was it invented?

"Liars lie."

Again, I am inspired to ask, are your words willfully meant to punish Frank for the willful crime of lying? When I see a lie, and I follow the lie to the source of the lie, it is my willful routine to afford a defense against any charge, or accusation, that may suggest that the lie was willfully meant to be a willful deception invented by the person who authored the obvious and measurable lie.

Your measure of the information is such that the information is not true, and you base that judgment upon a belief, so there is no way, or if there is a way you can show me the way, to prove that your belief is superior, over, better, dominating Frank's belief, crushing, destroying, and rendering Frank's belief subject to your belief, or is that not reasonable?

Your belief is true.

Your belief is that Frank's belief is false.

You defeat Frank's belief with your belief, because you say so, or because you have this paper, and this paper, and this paper, that says so, or because you have this belief, even without the paper, so that is that, and Frank is executed, or at least his Character is executed, by you, and yet there is Frank, on Wednesday, ready to take your call, ready to face his accusers.

But, we can change the subject, and let Frank wallow in his Character having been assassinated right here on this pubic access forum.

"Who exactly is abdicating responsibility to make the world a better place? "

In point of fact, it seems to me, you are abdicating in this case right here, as you try, sentence, and execute public damnation of Frank, presumed guilty during the whole trial, and there is his Character tortured and dying at your hands.

Frank does no such thing, as far as I've seen so far, he is only kind, reasonable, and of the same character you are, good in every way, without exception, so far, but we are all only human, as I know.

"To believe on the Son is to believe Salvation is available thru none other, but only the Son."

I do not call you a liar. Frank does not call you a liar. Just because I do not share your belief, and having no capacity to share your belief, despite efforts on my part to do so, just because I do not share your belief, does not, in my mind, automatically become you being a liar.

"Really?"

Again, I do not believe things I do not know, and so Frank, and you, and many other people, who may believe things that I cannot know, does not automatically cause you, or Frank, to become liars, because you, or Frank, believes something I do not know at this moment.

If I do know something, or if I do believe something, I can offer that thought, or that belief, to you, for your consideration. If you call me a liar, as I offer you my belief, or my thought, then that is your choice, for your reasons, for your thoughts, and for your beliefs.

"Here Frank places The Lord God Jehovah YHWH in the same circle of deities as Baal and Dagon and Moloch and Ra and Satan."

You and Frank, and a million other souls can compare notes on their beliefs in things that you know, among you, and I can offer my hat in the ring too, all done voluntarily, or on the other hand, some of you, perhaps not you, and perhaps not Frank, but some of you people, people other than me, resort to deception, threats, and violence, upon the targeted victims, and then all hell breaks loose for those thoughts and actions done by those individuals.

My father told me that he was at a Military base in Texas, and he, and other soldiers, saw a formation of unidentified flying objects, but I have not seen any such thing.

I do not believe things that I do not know, and that does not get twisted around in my mind to be me disbelieving things that I do not know.

I don't know means, in real terms, that I do not know.

How can I disbelieve something I do not know, unless I resort to self deception?

I am still holding back on cutting and pasting the information I found on The English Language in History, it was very informative to me, but you may not want to read it, it matters not to me, if you say yes or no, as to my reporting this information to you here. I know I will be cutting and pasting that information in the future, because I want to see if that information holds any value of accuracy and there is no way to test it without moving it around, finding competitive viewpoints to help me test it.

"The document written by Frank O’Connor is above the Bible? And EVERY AND ALL CLERGY have been pronounced as officers of One Heaven?"

What would a person who believes in God do if that person processes all the information processed by Frank? I can only guess, but I can put myself in Frank's shoes, and I can ask myself what I would do if I processed all the information Frank has processed. Would I believe that there are accurately identified extra terrestrial beings, based upon this information, and that information, here and there, if I saw it? If I know that there are extra terrestrial beings, intelligent beings, competitively complex beings, living beings, thoughtful beings, other than human beings, then I would believe it, after a pinch, to make sure that I was not dreaming, and then I'd go from there, with that belief, and with that understanding, and knowing what I know at that point.

I'm just a broken down, stupid, laborer.

I have not been chosen by God to be saved.

I have not seen anything that confirms, reasonably, without reasonable doubt, that there are Angels, Devils, U.F.O.s, Extra Terrestrials, or power sources that measure up as Overunity or "Free Energy".

I watched a reality television show where a group of people in a church in Waco were tortured for months and then murdered by the highest legal authorities, so called, in this Country.

A. Things I know

B. Things I do not know

We can speak about things I do not know, while you do receive, often enough, messages from me, confirming that I do not know the things I do not know.

I know this:

Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

I know that I am not the only one who knows that, even if I am the only one who dares to write that down, and publish it.

"What?"

If I understand Frank's thinking, which is a leap of faith, then the idea is to have something in place to be a useful thing for people who share the need to fight against criminals who perpetrate crimes upon the innocent.

Now, if you don't share that, then you don't share that, but I do.

I have my own competitive ideas concerning a usable thing to have in place for those who share the need to fight against criminals who perpetrate crimes upon the innocent.

Frank's idea, that he says, himself, is such that having something in place is an answer to those who claim that there can be nothing in place, there can be, in my own words, but I can quote Frank, there can be nothing, according to those who say so, in place, nothing shared, nothing in place, shared, by people who share the need to fight crime, nothing, ever, it can't happen, nothing in place to be shared, used, by people who want, need, and are inspired to use what is in place, to fight criminals who will perpetrate crimes upon the innocent.

Frank uses the word Nihilists.

They say, why bother, nothing can be done, so don't waste your time.

They say, nothing can be in place, nothing can be shared, nothing can be used effectively to fight criminals who will perpetrate crimes upon the innocent.

My competitive solutions are much simpler than Franks, and I have no belief in organized religion, whatsoever, so that may account for some of the complexities added to Franks competitive version of what is in place, because he places it in place, should anyone want to use, share, employ, something, to fight crime while the criminals are perpetrating crimes upon the innocent.

If that is not what you get out of what Frank is doing, then that does not mean that I can't share that with Frank. If I share that with Frank then that does not mean that I share any organized religion with anyone, and if I do suddenly become saved, in any way, I can report that to you directly, if that were to happen.

I don't know what is being saved.

I am not saved.

That does not mean that I don't ask to be saved, but when I say to you that I am not saved, when I say to you that I don't know, that means, I don't know.

I don't know.

I know that criminals are busy destroying any innocence they can find and they are very good at doing it, and they pay themselves huge amount of power they steal from each soul they reap.

The more the merrier.

Is there nothing that can be done, so why bother doing anything?

I don't share that with anyone. I know that much.

I know that I do think, create, and offer reasonable methods to be used to fight criminals who perpetrate crimes upon the innocent and I know that I share that goal oriented thinking with Frank, because that is what I believe, based upon my estimate of Frank the human being, with or without his other beliefs, I believe that Frank works to invent, produce, and employ effective methods by which innocent people are not injured by criminals.

"I am done with this."

That is funny to me, while I read what you cut and pasted, it made sense to me, that Frank offers a concept known as exile. In other words, those who prove to be criminals, those who volunteer to be criminals, may be those who make crime pay, and therefore it may be a good idea to keep the innocent people from them, somehow, a competitive method of exile, in fact, or a way in which to stop feeding so much food, flowing from the innocent victims, flowing to the criminal who by the criminals actions prove that the criminal wants to be a criminal, and therefore, with full knowledge of the consequences, since the former victims produce these consequences, the criminals are given fair warning, hey, look, if you do this, you will be forcibly disconnected from your innocent victims in this way, you will be exiled in this way.

You are done with it, and that is understandable, and I then assume, at this point, that you do not want any further information flowing from this source, such as the information concerning the origins of The English Language.

"Furthermore, I see a lot of involuntary associations announced in the One Heaven Covenant which claims to supercede all previous religious covenants, written by Frank O’Connor himself."

I've been looking for specific words that document, confess, or otherwise serve as inculpatory evidence proving the fact that there is an Involuntary Association aspect to what Frank has to say, so far I have not found it. If you have found it, then I could have been shown it, but now you are washing your hands of it, so be it.

"That there says I am already a member whether I choose to acknowledge the fact or not. How is that voluntary? Frank O'Connor wrote a document and claimed me as a member?"

Do you tell me that God lives me?

You have no idea as to how those words affect me. You don't want to know, and I am reluctant to tell you, but I see an opportunity to put you in Frank's shoes, even if you don't like it.

If Frank has a belief in an all powerful God, and he says that God loves you, like it or not, then that is what Frank says, and it is either true, or it is not true, and what does that have to do with me?

I am a member of One Heaven according to Frank.

And...?

I can ask Frank.

God lives me, according to you.

And..."

I can ask you, why have I not been saved, if God loves me so much? Why did God allow all those people to be tortured and murdered, if God loves me so much?

Why did God torture and murder his only son, and then suggest by way of words in English that it is on my account that Jesus was tortured and murdered if God lives me so much?

No, sorry, that makes no sense to me, and I do not voluntarily get such "love" from God, but having said that, I don't know, that may be "love" from God, or it may not be, I do not know.

I do not know.

I do not know.

I do not know.

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Josf, have you read all the stuff that O'Connor has written? He has written Lies and claimed them as Truth and says it supercedes all other previous truth.

Be very careful my friend.
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Frank answered my question I asked. Frank did not claim that David Wynn Miller was a liar factually, as in condemnation, as in public hanging, as in Character Assassination, as in positive identification of a known liar, so Frank left it up to me to judge the information from Franks point of view. I think, truly, that you are as generous, and that your use of English is routinely antagonistic, because that is purpose of English language from the start of English language.

Please share your own welcome advice.

Joe

bear thoughts

“Which group would people join if there was a choice, a free choice, free from deception, threat, and violence?”

The way I see it, the choice would depend upon the goals of the individual making the choice. Are the goals of the person free from deception, threat and violence perpetrated upon others? Are you speaking of a sin fallen world, or are you speaking of a world where humankind is free from the sin nature?

I know of such a one in this sin fallen world who had a sin nature and who allowed that sin nature to dominate when that single person had a choice and that single person made the choice the choice to destroy life.
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Thank you for the Kokesh link.
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“Not many people are allowed to fly like a bird. I thank God for that, and much more. I owe, or am I credited?”

I can only imagine the feeling! It must be truly wonderful. I remember a helicopter ride in one with a bubble windshield. I paid for a ride at a carnival. I was mesmerized seeing nearly 360 from above. I also remember a commercial plane trip I took and we were flying into the sunset. It was a truly beautiful site of light and dark and color that one does not see at ground level.

“I owe, or am I credited?”

I can only speak for myself. I have been bought with a price and I am not my own.

“The word "deposit" means, legally, as in Legal Crime, means, means, means, your Debt Notes are transferred as a gift by you to the Bank.”

Why is it a gift to the bank? I thought the bank was HOLDING/PROTECTING my “deposit” FOR me, not as a transference of ownership to the bank.
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“If you offer me words in English, words cut and pasted out of The Kings James Bible, are you expecting me to suddenly believe those words in the same way you believe those words? I am asking because I want to know the accurate answer. I can respond by cutting and pasting some information I read yesterday, and the information I read yesterday is either factual, accurate, and conveyed honestly, or it is in some way deceptive and therefore someone, somewhere, cooked the books.”

I cut and paste words from the King James Bible because those are the words I believe to be true. And if they are not true, then I have nothing to offer you. I suppose regarding what I expect for you to do is to take those words as truth, but I suppose you do not.

“I refrain from reporting to you the information I found yesterday for reasons that include a need to ask you first, to ask if you care to read the information I found yesterday, for reasons that include something along the lines of fair, as in equitable, not fare as in you owe me something, warning.

The information I found, if true, does not add any credibility, in my mind, to words written in English, in the King James Bible.”

It is fine if you would like to give me information you found yesterday regarding the King James Bible.

“I do want to know what Jesus said, and I do want to know what lies in the future.

I do not want more of the same falsehoods that are invented by, produced by, and maintained by people, inhuman people, who choose that way of life. “

Agreed.
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“I have news for Ron Paul, it was lost in 1788 with the signing of the Slave Trade Deal known alternately as The Dirty Compromise and The Constitution of the United States of The Monopoly Money Corporation.”

I have been wanting to tell you, but the subject had not come up and I never remembered before hitting reply, but when I was listening to Cooper he said that the constitution was a good thing and that criminals themselves in their own writings said so…and now I am not able to say the rest of what I want to say, but it was something like the criminals had in mind a one world government and if the constitution survived that would be the rule of law but they knew it would not survive or something like that. Josf, I wish, I wish, I wish (3 times) that you would listen to Cooper. Youa re so much more smarter than I am and you can remember what you hear and understand it relative to your working knowledge of history. I am also going to tell you that I am pretty sure that the kind of religion that O’Connor has cooked up is the kind Cooper was warning against. As in the UCA. Please, Please, Please, take some time to listen to Cooper. Please.

“How much power is in one human soul?
I have 2 kids, so I have a way to measure the accurate answer to that question I just asked you, or anyone, and so the obvious, common sense, follow up question is to ask why would anyone allow anyone else to reap the souls out of our children for fun and profit?
Why pay the soul reapers more, and more, and more, and everything that you hold dear, and for what?”

I have told you before that the Amish couple that I am helping with Cancer treatment trips have around 150 grandchildren. The Amish do not sign their children up for war. They have a lot of power in their souls because they do not limit their production, nor do they even change their clocks every 6 months on schedule. They are pretty much self-sufficient. Their lives are hard compared to mine. Have you ever seen rye grain growing? I just saw it this spring. It is beautiful and tall. I did not recognize what it was so I asked. They plow and plant with draft horses. They do not register their buggy horses to drive on the highways like we do, nor do they pay into the social security fraud. They are gentle and simple. I am somewhat ashamed when Jon plays soldier in front of them. Their children don’t play like they are shooting humans. It is not even something they “practice.” Practice like you used the word. I mean pretend. See, I didn’t even remember your word PRETEND.
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"That would be the Geneva Bible translated in Switzerland by those who had fled there because of persecution – Early Modern English – circa 1560."
Do you know the history of the invention, production, and maintenance of English Language? I do not. I now have one competitive source of information reporting on that question. Would you like to read that information on the invention, creation, and maintenance, or History, of English Language?”

Would you like me to read, write, or proof? Lol…seems I am writing instead of proofing like I said I would. Today is actually the first day since summer that I have been at home all day without any extra mouths to feed except those souls that are mine in the sense that I take care of them day in and day out.

So now I am getting the feeling that English isn’t good enough for me to link Bible words to you. What do you want me to do. Link Latin or Greek? Can you speak and read and understand those languages? The reason the Bible was translated to English was because the Religious Criminal Network were the only ones who were able to read the Scriptures and they even conducted the services in Latin. They even chained Bibles to the pulpits so the people could not read the words in the book for themselves.

“Jesuits”

Did you know the new Pope is a Jesuit?
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“That is a word in English.
I don't care which English words are used by the most powerful criminals on this planet, they are all false, if the most powerful criminals on this planet used accurate symbols to label themselves then their accurate symbols would be DEMONIC symbols that stand to warn anyone coming in contact with them, in any way, as to what business they bring to the table.”

I don’t get what you are saying there, but did you know that One-Heaven (which I am not talking about) has taken complete control of all of the DEMONIC symbols per the Covenant written by O’Connor? It seems I cannot keep my word not to talk about it.
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“In reference to Frank and his work I think that you are not speaking the truth. I think here, in this case, the error is a result of miscommunication. Frank says many things, and writes down many things, and then you translate what Frank writes, and your version is not his version, so where is the error?”
It is obviously mine. I must be too stupid to read English symbols.

“I know, trust, feel, think, believe, whatever, that you are not willfully targeting Frank and speaking false words about him, or bearing false witness of Frank, not willfully, so the cause of the error is not willful, but the error is as obvious as black and white.”

I have no need to target anyone to say false things about them. O’Connor’s system melds good and evil. There is no such melding according to the Bible. I believe what I read in the Bible. What I read from O’Connor’s Covenant is not what I read in the Bible.

“Frank writes something, and you write something, and they are not the same thing, so there is different meanings, from different perspectives, and so one is not the other, no matter how many times you may want to change what Frank says into being what you say Frank says, Frank is still speaking, he answered a question I offered to Frank on Wednesday. Frank can speak for himself. Frank can face his accusers as they may accuse him of this, or that, in any case whatsoever.”

You know, the way I see it, Joe, this is the same routine you pull on me every single time I have something opposite to say about someone you put stock in. They are not here to defend themselves, I am publicly hanging them, I am the judge and jury etc etc etc. It does not matter what that individual says in a public play or actually writes in a public place or who that individual joins with, it is always bear doing the dastardly deed by pointing out what I see as error. bear is not allowed an opinion? bear is not allowed to say someone is putting out false information? What if I say, Joe, how dare you talk about the Legal Criminals like that. They are not here to defend themselves. Hamilton is dead and gone, how dare you judge his intentions.

“Now you are claiming that Frank is a liar, and you base your claim on your viewpoint of his viewpoint, which is your viewpoint, not his.”

If I cannot read his words and interpret them correctly, then I am the biggest idiot in the world. The way you say things there is no way to ever ever ever interpret anyone’s words. Not even words that say the most important Free Love journal was Lucifer the Lightbearer. I can’t say anything about Pilger, Sheehan, Warren, Andrews, and now O’Connor. I am not allowed to have a bear perspective? Do you Josf have a monopoly on what can be thought about individuals even when they write their own words down in black and white for the general public to read? I cannot know their viewpoint by their words because only THEY know their own viewpoint expressed by their own words?

“You claim that Frank is a liar.
That is how Born again Christians conduct their human affairs?”

• 1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

“Your claim that Frank is a liar means something to you, and to me your claim means that Frank willfully distorts the truth, and if that is so, if that is what you mean, then you place your viewpoint superior to his viewpoint concerning the true relationship Frank has with God.
If that is true, if you are claiming that Frank willfully distorts the truth, then you are claiming that you know God better than Frank, you, not God, knows what Frank is, or is not, willfully reporting according to his, Frank's, current understanding of God.
In other words, you claim to know Frank's motives, finding him guilty before any defense Frank can muster, and since your public accusation passes sentence, in the form of public damnation, you execute the punishment of Frank by your willful actions, if that is what you mean, when you wrote that sentence in English.”

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shalltheir unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar…

“Your relationship to God is what it is, and it is beyond my capacity to know. If God is all powerful, as some people say, people who have a relationship to God, then God has the power to make Frank believe one thing, and God has the power to make you believe something else, and how you and Frank managed to compare notes, is up to you, and Frank.”

• 1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shalltheir unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar…
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“I can suggest that it isn't nice to connect Frank to lies, direct connections, here are lies, here is Frank, without offering a defense for such a connection being made by you.”

O’Connor connects himself with lies. He writes them. He claims ownership of his writings.

"The world is given the UCA model by whom?"
“You are asking a question so as to find the accurate answer, or you are merely reinforcing your belief that Frank is either willfully lying or what?”

My point is that O’Connor has given the world UCA. Who is O’Connor that he can write that all covenants have been superseded by the covenant he has authored which joins the The Most High and Holy God in contract with Lucifer in the form of a truce? Lucifer will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire and O’Connor cannot change that because he has dreamed up a New Contract that joins all religions and nullifies any part of those religions that happen to be contrary to the contract that he authored.

You continue to ask how I know the Devil didn’t write the Bible? How do you know that O’Connor is not the Devil?

“Do you understand what Frank means when Frank employs the symbols UCA?”

I read his definition of UCA. I can’t remember what the words mean but it is something about Unique Collective Awareness that IS God and everyone IS God and everyone is DIVINE.
“We can drop this subject matter entirely, between us two, as you please, and as this subject matter continues to be present, current, I am thoughtful of being kinder, gentler, and self censoring, so as not to injure anyone, not to attack any belief, not to discredit, not to bemoan, not to condemn. “

“I have my own brain working, my own perceptions, and the many puzzle pieces offered by Frank, historical references, documents, arrangements of symbols in English, prove to me to be competitive puzzle pieces as they fit here, and they fit there, better than having no piece in that place, and almost certainly not as good as the pieces that may arrive some time in the future.”

And I am telling you that he is a deceiver. He has not in any way made a contract between God and the Devil nor has he abolished hell. The AntiChrist will deceive the whole world. It is the job of Lucifer the Lightbearer to deceive thru illumination.

• Revelation 19:20 KJV
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

• Revelation 20:10 KJV
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Have you looked at O’Connor’s numbering system? 3 sets of 6 numbers. I don’t know if that is 666 or not, but it made me think about it.

“I do not take everything Frank writes as being absolutely true, that is not how my brain works, and I also know, measurably, and accurately measurably, that English is very hazardous, filled with land mines, when English is used to accomplish the goal of traveling from ignorance to less ignorance, traveling over that mine field. So...I many not have a clue as to what Frank knows, as to what Frank thinks, as to what God is doing to help Frank, or as to what Frank may be doing with God's help.”

I take everything written in the Bible as absolutely true. I am not in the habit of mixing truth with error. God said in the Old Testament that any prophets words that did not come 100% true was a false prophet.

“I think that Frank is contradicting himself, and I think that the source of that contradiction is the belief that things can be responsible for the actions of people. I already commented on one of Frank's Blogs as to that contention I have with his generous offerings of ideas.”

You trust someone that contradicts themself to write a Covenant which supersedes all other covenants and joins all religions under ONE and joins Good and Evil under ONE? That is a contradiction in itself.

“I am assuming that Frank wrote that, but as far as I know Frank is part of a small group of people working on the things they work on, in the way they work on those things. They are working on doing something about Legal Crime, as can be proven, in time.”

Read One-Heaven. He claims authorship.

And as far as working against Legal Crime, didn’t you tell me that the Legal Criminals figure out how to cut each other’s throats to get on top? How do you know that O’Connor is not just trying to be on the top of the heap?

“Again, I am inspired to ask, are your words willfully meant to punish Frank for the willful crime of lying? When I see a lie, and I follow the lie to the source of the lie, it is my willful routine to afford a defense against any charge, or accusation, that may suggest that the lie was willfully meant to be a willful deception invented by the person who authored the obvious and measurable lie.”

I punish no one.

“Your measure of the information is such that the information is not true, and you base that judgment upon a belief, so there is no way, or if there is a way you can show me the way, to prove that your belief is superior, over, better, dominating Frank's belief, crushing, destroying, and rendering Frank's belief subject to your belief, or is that not reasonable?
Your belief is true.
Your belief is that Frank's belief is false.
You defeat Frank's belief with your belief, because you say so, or because you have this paper, and this paper, and this paper, that says so, or because you have this belief, even without the paper, so that is that, and Frank is executed, or at least his Character is executed, by you, and yet there is Frank, on Wednesday, ready to take your call, ready to face his accusers. “

I only know what the Bible says.

“In point of fact, it seems to me, you are abdicating in this case right here, as you try, sentence, and execute public damnation of Frank, presumed guilty during the whole trial, and there is his Character tortured and dying at your hands.”

O’Connor places his words above the words in the Bible. That is just a fact. He bears his own responsibility. I have no issue with him or his character. My issue is with you and your character. I do not know O’Connor. I really do not know you. But I have cared for you as a friend. If I see a friend heading for trouble what kind of friend am I if I say nothing?

“Frank does no such thing, as far as I've seen so far, he is only kind, reasonable, and of the same character you are, good in every way, without exception, so far, but we are all only human, as I know.”

Satan’s misters transform themselves into angels of light. They can appear good and nice and cordial. Actually I do not find him at all reasonable because he Negates The Lord Jesus Christ.
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“I do not call you a liar. Frank does not call you a liar. Just because I do not share your belief, and having no capacity to share your belief, despite efforts on my part to do so, just because I do not share your belief, does not, in my mind, automatically become you being a liar.”

I am a liar if the Bible is a Liar. I am a liar if the Bible is not the Word of God. I am a liar if Jesus is Not the Son of God and GOD HIMSELF. If those things are not true, then I am a liar and a liar of the worse sort: the blind leading the blind.

“Again, I do not believe things I do not know, and so Frank, and you, and many other people, who may believe things that I cannot know, does not automatically cause you, or Frank, to become liars, because you, or Frank, believes something I do not know at this moment.”

Either O’Connor is a liar or I am a liar. We are not both telling the truth about God.

“I do not believe things that I do not know, and that does not get twisted around in my mind to be me disbelieving things that I do not know. “

It is a mere choice:

• Joshua 24:15 KJV
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

“How can I disbelieve something I do not know, unless I resort to self deception?”

Perhaps one should look into deception? Satan is the deceiver. It is his job to deceive.

“I'm just a broken down, stupid, laborer.
I have not been chosen by God to be saved.”

• Revelation 22:17 KJV
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come . And let him that heareth say, Come . And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

“If I understand Frank's thinking, which is a leap of faith, then the idea is to have something in place to be a useful thing for people who share the need to fight against criminals who perpetrate crimes upon the innocent.”

Or he could be part of the Hegelian dialect.
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“I don't know what is being saved.
I am not saved.
That does not mean that I don't ask to be saved, but when I say to you that I am not saved, when I say to you that I don't know, that means, I don't know.
I don't know.”

It simply means that you have personally placed your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sin before Holy God.
“I've been looking for specific words that document, confess, or otherwise serve as inculpatory evidence proving the fact that there is an Involuntary Association aspect to what Frank has to say, so far I have not found it. If you have found it, then I could have been shown it, but now you are washing your hands of it, so be it.”
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http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/10.html 10.4 No claim of prior authority can prevail (link)
No claim of prior authority through any instrument or thing, no matter how old or sacred it is viewed, can prevail above this document. This document is the supreme, the one (1) and the original document above all others in the relationship of all Level 6 (self aware) life forms and higher order beings, living and deceased, to the Absolute and to each other.

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"That there says I am already a member whether I choose to acknowledge the fact or not. How is that voluntary? Frank O'Connor wrote a document and claimed me as a member?"
“Do you tell me that God lives me?”

I only tell you what the Bible says. The Bible says that God is Love and that God loved the world. (I am assuming you mean loves, not lives.)

“I can ask you, why have I not been saved, if God loves me so much? Why did God allow all those people to be tortured and murdered, if God loves me so much?”

Because you must come as a child with childlike faith. You will not.

“Why did God torture and murder his only son, and then suggest by way of words in English that it is on my account that Jesus was tortured and murdered if God lives me so much?”

God did not do that. Satan did that.

“Please share your own welcome advice.”

I did and it was not welcomed. It was shunned and I was made the culprit, the deceiver, the liar, the judge.
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http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/10.html 10.5 The fulfillment of scripture (link)
This Covenant is the fulfillment of scripture. It is the Alpha and Omega. All souls who overcome their differences now awaken to the tree of knowledge within their minds, their immortal souls.
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That is a lie. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. The document written by O’Connor is a CON.

• Revelation 1:8 KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is , and which was , and which is to come , the Almighty.

Jesus is the WORD. Jesus is the Creator. Jesus is the Covenant. Jesus is the Redeemer. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and The Life. No ONE will come to the Father BUT by HIM.

I do not say that. The Bible does. The Bible and O’Connor are not in sync. Therefore O’Connor claims his writings authoritative. Very dangerous.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
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Romans 3:4
God forbid, yea, let God be true, but every man a liar
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I am a liar because I said I was done and I did not cease and desist on the O’Connor talk.
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Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.
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I did not take time to edit this great wall of text, nor did I soften my words. I hope I have not been too offensive. This is a very serious matter.

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Joe thoughts

I have to hold off on responding. Much is up in the air, and I will respond soon. Thanks so much.

Back,

"The way I see it, the choice would depend upon the goals of the individual making the choice. Are the goals of the person free from deception, threat and violence perpetrated upon others? Are you speaking of a sin fallen world, or are you speaking of a world where humankind is free from the sin nature?"

To me that sounds like the lies of collective punishment taking hold of bear thoughts, working to make bear powerless in defense against such lies.

That is me, my thoughts, offered honestly, competitively, not intending to destroy, rather my intention is to help preserve life.

"I know of such a one in this sin fallen world who had a sin nature and who allowed that sin nature to dominate when that single person had a choice and that single person made the choice the choice to destroy life."

One is credited for what one does?

"I can only imagine the feeling! It must be truly wonderful."

Much of my time flying was done on little hills where the flight time was measured in seconds. Waiting for the high pressure of air, the stuff called wind, to move from forward to back, waiting for a higher pressure sensation, waiting for power of air to help reduce the need for power of running, is now the trigger for memories of flying. Wind in my face once meant RUN!

Run and then like superman I went where my hands in front pointed, and my feet in back trailed behind, and like a bird those legs were no longer usable as a contact point with that thing called Earth.

Now I can also see birds finding the power to soar where the pressure of air removes the need to flap their wings, and the bird can hover and glide at will within those boundaries of that place above the Earth, and I can know the feeling, it is a form of hunting, hunting for power.

"I can only speak for myself. I have been bought with a price and I am not my own."

God works in mysterious ways, which is me borrowing spoken words spoken by someone else, but I can speak for myself with those borrowed words.

"Why is it a gift to the bank? I thought the bank was HOLDING/PROTECTING my “deposit” FOR me, not as a transference of ownership to the bank."

The message I borrow at this point is borrowed from all the work done by Frank, who may or may not be a bold faced liar when it comes to The Bible, and The Word, and Jesus, etc., but the information, disconnected from the source of the information, rings true, and what rings true has to do with POWER, who has it, and who does not have it.

The Bank people who have the POWER to order the Bank employees, or the Bank presidents, or the Bank leaders, all DENOMinated in the ONE LEGAL UNIT, have, do, and will exclusively control all that MONEY, in FACT.

The illusion of it being YOUR money is just that, an illusion. The leaders of the ONE BANK (The FUND) take whatever POWER is in "your" money at will, such as the often done doubling of "the money supply," but those are my thoughts, and to return to the information I have just recently processed, the actual Bank where you actually place your "money" do, in fact, consider your money to be their money, not your money, and the have, can, and will simply keep it, and not let you have it back, if they want, and "they", again, are the leaders, the policy makers, the signers of documents, the authorities, those who employ, those who order, those who control, not merely the bank employee who may think, as you do, that it is legitimate, that it is true, that it is accurate, that it is equitable, while it is, accurately measurable, as FRAUD made Legal, and EXTORTION made legal.

Deposit means gift.

That is the message from Frank, and it fits, even if the information appears to be false because the information appears to be coming from someone who appears to be a liar about a book and a belief that is founded upon a book, or even if the message was written in stone, the information is either true, or it is not true, and as far as I can fit the information into my own understanding the information makes perfect sense.

Deposit means gift. Criminals do that all the time, they change words, words like Liberal mean this one day, and then the next day the same word means the opposite. Blue becomes Red. The word Federal becomes Despotism. The word Capitalism becomes Corporatism, on and on.

Deposit, depending upon who you ask, means gift. If the leader of The FUND, the ONE LEGAL MONEY POWER, says it means gift, and you say it means deposit, you say deposit means deposit, while you are in a long line at the Bank during a Bank run, then whose definition is the more accurate, the more powerful, LEGAL, definition in that case?

1.
The many people who think deposit means deposit in the long line at the closed door of the Bank where the deposits were made.

2.
The few people who control the ONE LEGAL MONEY POWER who ordered the closure of those Bank doors?

Deposit means gift.

Government means Crime.

Good means Evil

Red means Blue

Moral means Immoral

Is this news to anyone?

Enhanced Interrogation techniques means effective war on terrorism = good.

Extraordinary Rendition means saving the Union from harm = good.

Quantitative Easing means avoiding horrible economic collapse so as to purchase all the necessary hardware needed to make war ever so good for the economy = good.

Deposit means gift.

Surprise?

The black robes worn by judges, knowingly or not, represent the black robes worn by The Reapers of Souls in Devil Worship, and the authority of such practices comes from Black Magic imagined into being by very evil people, who write their spells down on the skin of murdered children.

Surprise?

I'm not the least bit surprised, and it fits, all too well.

"I cut and paste words from the King James Bible because those are the words I believe to be true. And if they are not true, then I have nothing to offer you. I suppose regarding what I expect for you to do is to take those words as truth, but I suppose you do not."

Many times the words you offer me, no matter where you get those words from, help me, as far as my understanding of what helps me is concerned. If I am so completely in the dark as to not even know what helps me, from what harms me, then I might as well start learning better, yes or no?

If I ask for your help, to me, I am asking for you help, and if you reach for this, or that, and I receive whatever you reach for, and I process it, and it, in my estimate, is help, then how should I proceed from that point onward, when my goal is to help, and I want your help to reach that goal?

Example:

To fear God is to hate evil.

That to me is helpful, and I don't see a need to find out who wrote it, since there is meaning in those words that were unknown to me until I read those words, and now those words are a part of me, a part of my viewpoint, a way, my way, of viewpoint this huge mire of falsehood, seeking help, so as to help unravel it.

Keys open doors and light is then shown into dark places where dragons lurk in the dark.

Jesuits?

Kazarian Parasites?

I'll try this again, this test to see if the power of the World Wide Web, through Google, can offer any information on Kazarian Parasites. The last time I tried this the words Kazarian Parasites were crossed out by the program Google. How many times have you searched a term and had the term you searched for crossed out?

Now, this time, the words are not crossed out, and I am inspired to think that I should have captured the example of those words being crossed out, I should have hit the Print Screen button and pasted it into a folder as a picture file, .jpg, or whatever. The lesson is a lesson I have learned, even if no one else has any use for such a lesson.

Frank speaks the term Kazarian Parasite often enough to begin making the term current, and I hear it, so the term is gaining currency by that measure, and this is similar to your invention of the word "equitablist" and my combining the words Legal and Crime into the very useful term Legal Crime.

Will Kazarian Parasite, Equitablist, or Legal Crime ever reach a point of POWER, as those words gain currency, to then be words defined in dictionaries?

"It is fine if you would like to give me information you found yesterday regarding the King James Bible."

I should have known by now that you would not have an objection, since you have already told me that your faith is not subject to testing, in these ways, but my error is merely out of ignorance, I do not want to test your faith, and so I think, wrongly, that you will feel as I do, and that is demonstrably not true.

You do not feel as I do, concerning faith, you and I are not the same in that department.

Here is the information that I find particularly useful, not so much in testing anyone's faith in any spiritual belief, but this information is useful to me in knowing more about the methods by which the few very evil, very deceptive, very powerful, inhuman beings, gain control over their targets.

They, the Legal Criminals (as I call them), deceive their targets when they, the Legal Criminals, invent, produce, and maintain counterfeit versions of the mediums of exchange such as money, such as law, such as language, such as food (counterfeit food is poison), such as water (fluoride is a poison), such as physical power (plutonium and petroleum carelessly "made current" in the form of spills in the Gulf of Mexico and in Fukushima, and such as medical treatment whereby the counterfeit versions are "cures" that are much worse than the ailments.

They would certainly find reason to distort language and the information offered by Frank appears, on the surface (I can work to look deeper), to be fitting information fitting into the routine, the mold, the systematic invention, production, and maintenance of Crime made Legal.

Link:

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-90342/TS-755324.mp3

Time 1:18:15

Frank reads my question, "Do you know about David Wynn Miller's Paarse-Syntax-Grammar relevant to the criminal corruption of language?" me being josfkelley, and he points me to here:

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(xix) Of the works claimed to Shakespeare but written by the fraternity of the Jesuit College of English in Rome--comprising of some eight hundred eighty four thousand (884,000) words contained in thirty four thousand eight hundred ninty six (34,896) lines and spoken by one thousand two hundred eleven (1,211) characters - thirty three percent (33%) were histories of immense and unprecedented historical research, thirty two percent (32%) were comedies of greater wit than any previous author, twenty nine percent (29%) were tragedies as great as anything from ancient Greece, four percent (4%) were poems and two percent (2%) were sonnets; and

(xx) One of the most extraordinary contributions of the unnamed Jesuit scholars in Rome through the Shakespeare brand of the 16th Century was the use of no less than twenty eight thousand eight hundred twenty nine (28,829) unique word forms, effectively doubling the vocabulary of English since the time of Chaucer and introducing an entire and completely new framework of law, social sciences, history, commerce and trade, accounting and reckoning. Such words as accused, addiction, assassination, bandit, bar, cause, case, contract, court, courtship, crown, employer, investments, law, bond, lawyer, majestic, judgment, negotiate, security, inhabitant, resident, submit, understand were all borne out of Shakespeare. This was achieved mainly through the combining of Latin words as abbreviations to create new English words but also through the introduction of ancient Persian words as well as even Hebrew and Ancient Greek words; and

(xxi) A significant departure through the works of the Jesuits in the 16th Century as Shakespeare compared to the earlier works inventing English at the end of the 15th Century was the ascribing of meanings to the twelve thousand (12,000) to fourteen thousand (14,000) new word forms introduced through Shakespeare that completely contradict the meaning of their etymological roots. In other words, the way in which many of the words introduced by Shakespeare are defined in public is completely opposite to their secret or private meaning – thus converting the English language to the most occult language in history; and

(xxii) The deliberate modification of English to being not only a commercial language but the primary language of occult knowledge and usage was confirmed by the massive undertaking in the creation of the “Authorized Version” of the Bible also known as the King James Version and the KJB or KJV. A further one thousand (1,000) words were introduced into the English language out of approximately eight thousand (8,000) word forms used in the text. Most significantly, the use of the Persian word God / Gad as the public name for Sabaoth, also known as Satan was introduced to replace Yehovah (YHVH) of the Catholic Church since the 8th Century as the primary deity worshipped, making the Church of England the reformed Aryan (Persian) religion of Menes, later known as Judaism.
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I was not looking to answer my often repeated question that I ask any person I seek as help for me, so that I can help other people, whereby their belief if derived from The Bible, and I ask, I ask those who knock on my door before I met you, I ask you, now, if I have not asked before now, I ask, I ask, as a routine, I ask "How do you know that the Devil did not write The Bible?", and if the answer is that it says so in The Bible, then the conversation from then on involves an attempt on my part to point out how that is not an answer, that is a confession.

The answers, which are not confessions, include answers that report to me a faith that is a faith with, or without, The Bible, the faith held by the person having faith is faith because it is faith, with or without The Bible, and The Bible merely documents that Faith, and that Faith exists with, or without The Bible, or some such wording, whereby the confession of Abject Blind Belief in words on paper Without Question is not confessed within the answer that says "It says so in The Bible that The Bible is not written by The Devil and that is how I know, for a fact, that The Bible is not written by The Devil, but thanks for asking such a silly question, and now, we can get down to business investing in End Times, if you please, since war is so good for our economy, thank you very much, and have you seen my stone, I want to be first in line, etc."

I was not looking for evidence that suggests that The Bible was written by devilish people, but there it is, right or wrong, accurate or inaccurate, there it is, being what it is, on that surface, in those words, and words are not deeds, so much as words are written by people, when words are written by people, to communicate accurate messages, or otherwise.

I wanted to know what Frank could say about David Wynn Miller and his Parse-Syntax-Grammar, and this all fits together in my viewpoint of Legal Crime.

This all fits into my viewpoint of Legal Crime in ways that I can work at conveying from me, as accurate meaning, to you, or anyone.

Am I doomed from the start since language is as counterfeit as every other thing invented by, produced by, and maintained by the counterfeiters who are paid so well for doing what they do best?

Is it possible to convey accurate meaning with counterfeit language?

Can I attach a wooden leg to a wooden seat to make a chair when I am using a spaghetti noodle as glue?

"Josf, I wish, I wish, I wish (3 times) that you would listen to Cooper."

No need to wish, but there are hours upon hours of listening I am doing, can do, and if you, you being a human being alive today, have reason for me to listen to something, specific, then spell it out, don't just point me in the general direction. There is a reason to listen to Cooper, what is the reason? Which words spoken by Cooper are worthy of listening to, why, and if you can't form the reasonable, valuable, message in your own words, that is fine, but narrow down the message inspiring you to act, and point me to something specific.

What do I do?

I give you a time to start listening, and a link, and quotes, and my own words describing the message that I think is a key to unlock a door that adds light to a dark, and very dark, room, and the dragons turn out to be rats, and roaches, and they scurry and they hide as soon as the light of truth shines into the dark room.

Knowing, surely knowing, based upon repetitive experience, that I can be wrong about the information. What in the words of Cooper inspired you to direct me, connect me, to that information? If you are more specific, then I can honor your wish, easily, by spending an hour, 2 hours, how much time, to get the message you want me to get?

I've listened to some of the Cooper stuff, and in particular the stuff involving Linda Thomson. Please be specific.

"As in the UCA."

Again, I am not joining any organized religion, so my interest in listening to Cooper or Frank has to do with helping me know how to help other people, which can be explained in one sentence:

Power produced into oversupply reduces the cost of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

That is the opposite of Legal Crime.

That has nothing to do with me joining a religious organization of any kind, false, or true, it is not a pony I have in the show.

Political Economy is here, spirituality is over here, and they are not the same thing, so I have no interest in making them the same thing, why would I?

"Their lives are hard compared to mine. Have you ever seen rye grain growing?"

I may be strange, but I miss hard labor. My life is now harder, having less power to use in making more power out of less power.

Is that not easy to see?

"They are gentle and simple."

They reject all advancements in technology, as a rule, and so far you tell me that they find reason to accept exceptions to the rule, such as Solar Panels. I see such rules as being very destructive if the goal is preserving human life, but my viewpoint is not directed by the concept of End Times, and such Prophecies that report human life being limited to life on Earth exclusively. To me the human species has the potential to last longer than the life span of Earth, and that can't happen with horses and buggies.

We have to learn to fly, and then we have to learn to fly to other planets, and that has to happen before the Earth is no longer capable of supporting human life, and God help us if we can't reach that goal, in my opinion.

That is my belief, and I don't need a book to believe it.

"I am somewhat ashamed when Jon plays soldier in front of them. Their children don’t play like they are shooting humans. It is not even something they “practice.” Practice like you used the word. I mean pretend. See, I didn’t even remember your word PRETEND."

Conflict is the rule, not the exception, in "our" culture. When I was about 10 or so my contests with other people was to see who could make everyone laugh more, and the rules of engagement were invented on the spot, success was measured in laughter. This is a memory I had in the last 24 hours, arriving to me out of the blue, as I worked on understanding The Problem, as I fit the new pieces in place.

Just last night I spoke with my brother on the new productive venture being realized in fact, having to do with making things for sale world wide, the concept of labor saving machines was brought up, and my brother told me that competition in this very competitive market demands the elimination of very costly human error. My response was to confirm to him that I am not infected with the falsehoods that claim that labor saving devices are "taking away jobs" and in fact the opposite is true, since labor saving devices create jobs since laborers are then seeking fun things to do, and that can be explain in great detail, or in small detail.

In small detail I connect you back to when I was 10. The competition was to see who made smiles better, who made laughter increase in intensity and volume, infecting each other with more laughter?

If we are all chained to the work wheel there is no time for laughter.

Is that too simple to understand?

"Would you like me to read, write, or proof? Lol…seems I am writing instead of proofing like I said I would. Today is actually the first day since summer that I have been at home all day without any extra mouths to feed except those souls that are mine in the sense that I take care of them day in and day out."

On this subject I can report to you that my wife, for the first time, asked me how the book was going, and I explained, in my own way, how the book is going. How is the book going?

When you chain yourself to the work wheel long enough, I will then get the book, and if you can't have fun with it, then rap it up and send it back the way it is, or whatever decision you decide to do on that subject, is a fine decision as far as I am concerned. The ball is in your court.

"Link Latin or Greek?"

The help you offer, measured as help by me, in agreement, is the help where you explain your understanding of specific verses in scripture, such as your explanations of the concepts of drinking the blood of Jesus, and eating the flesh of Jesus, and it may take awhile, repetition, other words, for the truth of those messages from God to pass from God, through you, through scripture, to me, God willing.

I don't know.

That is the story so far as I can tell, and another example involves those words that work on me in the form of fearing God is to hate evil.

Other examples, that I don't know, not yet, or ever, still involve the concept of Jesus going through all that suffering on my account, and I know your words offer a bridge to the truth, but the bridge does not effectively span the gap, in other words, in other words written by you, since chanting the same words over and over again, verbatim, from The Bible, if the idea is for me to "get it," is not likely, in my view, to work to reach the intended goal, and my experience is such that such chanting is libel to work in the opposite direction.

"They even chained Bibles to the pulpits so the people could not read the words in the book for themselves."

Legal Crime, or Monopoly, works in a routine, easily recognizable, accurately measurable, manner.

I had this conversation with my wife.

Lies work to create more lies, again I learned this when I was 10, taught to me by my Aunt Mary, as easy to see, once seen, cannot be unseen, not without lying to one's self, each lie requires two to cover the first one up, and then two for each of those two, and before the sun sets on that day there is a tangled web of deceit.

Violence begets violence.

Depression feeds depression.

Fear feeds fear.

“For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it.”
― Patrick Henry

To me that is Joe's Law, in other words.

If seen, if known, if understood, the path of investing in doom, as if investing in doom will bring anything other than doom, anything other than a miserable slow death, is unthinkable, unspeakable, and certainly not desired, and acted upon as if reaching for heaven on earth.

Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question is accurately measurable in many forms.

A Federal Reserve Note is inculatory evidence proving the fact of a Crime of Legal Fraud, and Legal Extortion in Progress.

What is that National Debt Clock, OFFICIAL, in Real Time?

Fun and games?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, laughing all the way to The International Monetary FUND that is now FUNDING all sides in the already started World War III?

I'm in stitches?

Are you humored as well?

"Did you know the new Pope is a Jesuit?"

More and more I am realizing that the Legal Criminals are not happy with each other, which should not be a surprise, it is, in fact, on the schedule, a part of the routine, when the immutable laws of diminishing returns sets in, as the supply of innocent victims dry up, as the supply of Legal Criminals swell to the point of over abundance, the rats feed upon the rats.

Is that a surprise?

"I don’t get what you are saying there, but did you know that One-Heaven (which I am not talking about) has taken complete control of all of the DEMONIC symbols per the Covenant written by O’Connor? It seems I cannot keep my word not to talk about it."

If you can show me where Frank is working toward any involuntary association then I can know that fact as you know it. If not, then what is the point of discrediting Frank? I can see in-fighting among the competitive organized religions as being what it is, because I might as well be on Mars looking at such things on Earth, I have no pony in that show, I do not score it, I do not judge it, it has no interest in me, God knows where to find me.

My point with the words that you do not understand was to point out that any Court, or any Police Officer, working now, in this Country, showing their true colors, would announce to anyone caring to know, that they are employees hired by Criminals.

Their badges would be accurately constructed to inform anyone caring to know that they are, in fact, Employees of Criminals.

You get a summons in the mail, or you are stopped by a "Cop" and you are fully aware, because it says so on the stationary, and it says so on the "Cop" car, and it says so on the "Court" building, and it say so on the voting "ballot" that you, the victim, are the victim, you the target, are the target, and they are the Criminals, because they say so, because they are no longer hiding behind a false federal lie, they are out to get you, you know it, they know it, and it is even written on their labels, their licenses, their advertizements, their letter heads, their badges, their names, their buildings, their doors, their windows, their flyers, their sirens, their paperwork, their books, their ledgers, their accounts, all, all, all, no longer false, no longer deceptive, true, factual, real, accurate, head-up, they are the criminals, you are the victims, because, because, because, you produce something worth stealing, surprise, surprise, surprise, pay, pay, pay, obey, obey, obey, we are the criminals, no, no, no, we are not here to protect and serve, we just want our money back, it is investments in sin, it is debt, it is ours, give it to us, we own you, you are dead, you are a thing, we authorize ourselves to enslave you, you are the slave, have a nice day, while I kick your teeth in, lick my boot.

The sign in the doors now say false things, the signs on the doors, and the signs, are turned from false to accurate, and so now, after the turning point, the signs say WE ARE THE CRIMINALS.

Have a nice day.

Invest heavily into Crime made Legal and what is the surprise when that is what you get?

That was my point. I have no pony in the show where Frank is exposed as a believer in a false religion. If Frank is knowable as someone working, investing in, willfully inventing, creating, and maintaining, INVOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION, then I sure could use that incuplatory evidence proving that fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

Other than Frank using The One Monopoly Money. We are all Criminals or Victims Master/Slave Relations, The Routine, as we use that ONE MONEY.

We are all subject to the wise words offered by Thomas Paine as we use the ONE MONEY POWER, as we provide the means by which we suffer that way, investing in that way, toward our mutual horror, terror, torture, mass murder, and doom.

I'm going to have a nice day, I hope you can too.

"O’Connor’s system melds good and evil"

Systems do not willfully do things, as your words suggest to me, which are words that suggest to me that you are still infected with that virus of falsely thinking that things can be held accountable for the willful, or unwilling, actions of people.

O'Connor, as far as I know, offers, as in strictly meaning offer, not counterfeit offer, actual, real, offer, strictly offering, not counterfeit offering, just offering, and apparently there are not many people accepting the offer, at least not enough people accepting the offer to constitute a Voluntary Force of sufficient power (sum total of all the individual forces) to disconnect the Criminals from the INNOCENT victims, which appears to me to be the true goal willfully sought after by Frank.

I can be wrong. I don't know if I am seeing Franks motive accurately.

What inculpatory evidence exists, where is it, where this evidence proves that Frank is willfully creating an INVOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION?

"There is no such melding according to the Bible. I believe what I read in the Bible. What I read from O’Connor’s Covenant is not what I read in the Bible."

Many Bibles, many languages, many verses, many interpretations of what meaning is meant in those verses, take your pick, and then specifically explain your interpretation, in any case whatsoever, and then I'll know what you know, if I can know what you know, otherwise I am to trust that you know something worth knowing, and that something is vague?

If the criminals at the top of the criminal food chain are now fighting among themselves, there will be, if nothing else, fewer criminals at the top of the food chain, and I have no pony in that show either.

What happens to the innocent people while all that is going on, and I am not signing onto the concept of everyone is guilty for everything idea, there are innocent people, if no one else, there are babies, and if those babies become guilty of sin, the people who could have helped avoid that are busy fighting each other for power, as a rule, not an exception, but for me, perhaps not you as much, I think it is a good idea to see if there are any mature human beings who are exceptionally leaning toward being less guilty in this manner, and in that manner, this way, and that way, specifically.

Not ambiguously.

How would you describe to another person all that you have learned in your study if you had studied as much as Frank has studied?

I can claim to have studied. Perhaps not a fraction of the study done by Frank. I have boiled down my study into one sentence. My sentence is not ambiguous. It is general, principled, and useful.

Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power while purchasing power increases because power reduces the cost of production.

Frank may be very misdirected, but for want of trying?

I may be very misdirected, but for want of trying?

Frank and I can be compared to who?

Edward Bernays?

Ben Bernanke?

The Pope?

"bear is not allowed an opinion?"

If I say that bear is not allowed an opinion then you can cut and paste my words in quotes that say exactly that without error, without misunderstanding in the least.

Frank can defend himself, and he offers anyone the opportunity to question him as to what he is doing.

If Frank is not this or that, according to you, then what does that have to do with me? If your words report a fact, and there is no way to prove, or disprove the fact, then is it a fact?

If you have an opinion, then an opinion does not accurately communicate when the opinion is reported as a fact.

If I question your reports of facts that is not me refusing to allow you to express your opinion, unless I am wrong, which can be shown to be my error, and then I too can know my error.

If the error cannot be shown to me I can then trust that you are right and I am wrong, and perhaps by repetition I can avoid repeating the error as you repeatedly tell me about the error that you cannot show me as being an error.

If you say that I do something over and over again, and you say that I, in some way, to not allow you to have an opinion, over and over again, and over, and over, again, and again, I explain that my words are my words, so quote my words that cause you to expose my error, and then I can identify my error as being exactly what you say my error is, as I refuse to allow you to have an opinion, for example.

Where is this example of me refusing to allow you to have an opinion?

Frank lies. Ok, in reference to your belief, in the words that you believe to be The Word of God, Frank lies, to you. Frank does not lie to me, how can he, I do not believe what you believe, so you, in your belief, are being lied to by Frank, and I can agree, I can trust, and can know, and I can understand that you are right, true, accurate, justified, responsible, accountable, reasonable, in your beliefs, and in your opinion, that Frank actually does lie to you, in that precise way, concerning your belief in that Bible.

How is all that turned, somehow, into me not allowing you to have an opinion?

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“Frank writes something, and you write something, and they are not the same thing, so there is different meanings, from different perspectives, and so one is not the other, no matter how many times you may want to change what Frank says into being what you say Frank says, Frank is still speaking, he answered a question I offered to Frank on Wednesday. Frank can speak for himself. Frank can face his accusers as they may accuse him of this, or that, in any case whatsoever.”

You know, the way I see it, Joe, this is the same routine you pull on me every single time I have something opposite to say about someone you put stock in.
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Every single time, over and over again and again, I am at fault, admittedly, but what exactly have I done wrong, or I can trust that you are right, I am wrong, and absent knowing what I have done wrong, I can merely agree, every time I keep doing it, that I am doing wrong. When I can be shown, by being worn down in repetition, if no other way, my wrongs, then I can at that point stop repeating the wrongs that I keep repeating.

To me, as far as I can tell, I think that Frank could be proven to be someone inventing, producing, and maintaining an Involuntary Association, his own way, not in the way that is currently THE WAY that THE ONE INVOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION LEGAL MONEY MONOPOLY POWER is currently working, not that ONE WAY, but Frank's new, competitive, inventive, INVOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION, of his own design, and having that proof, of that nature being an involuntary nature, of that System, constructive by Frank, I can know that about Frank, his willful investments in competition for Market Share in the Victim Market. Frank wants a share of the pie, a piece of the action, in competition with the Monopoly Suppliers of Involuntary Servitude.

When I can see that incuplatory evidence I can know that fact.

I look for it.

I have yet to see it.

I may be blind to it.

I may need help seeing it.

I only have my two eyes and one doesn't work well, and the other barely works at all.

I only have my two ears and one doesn't work well, and the other is a siren blaring all the time like an alarm clock.

So I need help, so where is the inculpatory evidence? If Frank is on competition for believers in a specific organized religion, then of what concern is that of mine, I have no interest in organized religion, and it is a common practice in organized religion to claim that one is superior to another because God says so, and it says so right here in this book, and if you don't believe, they you are damned for eternity, so believe or else.

Is that a voluntary association?

Believe or else?

I'm not interested in Frank's believe or else deal, no more than I am interested in any believe or else deal in any book written by any human being, or any inhuman being for that matter, and again, God knows where to find me.

I don't need a book to figure it out, when I get what I deserve it arrives with or without my knowing in advance.

Is it a good idea to ask for help?

Do you need to tell me that it is a good idea to ask for help?

I don't know a lot of things, but I do know that it is a good idea to ask for help, and it is a good idea to be wary of false people who offer false help.

Is it a good idea to invest in Involuntary Associations?

I think the answer is painfully obvious.

"Hamilton is dead and gone, how dare you judge his intentions."

I borrow from those who were on the scene, those who recorded their observations, their measure of the man, based upon what he did, which was opposite what he said, in that specific case, and I try to repeat, often, the fact I know to be a fact, that I can be wrong.

What if?

What if we stopped investing in involuntary associations and we then had time to work at making each other happier?

Meanwhile so much power is flowing into The FUND, and those investments will pay off soon; are now paying dividends, and the inculpatory evidence isn't hidden in the least, it is well documented as fact.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Am I supposed to thank Alexander Hamilton?

I think looking in the mirror is better, and the human being staring back, faults and all, says that the deeds of Alexander Hamilton are instructive to a point, and then I have to do things worth doing.

How about helping?

How about asking for help because I don't know how to help?

Who do you know, from the entire planet, who answers pleas for help in seeking how better to help?

I know, trust, understand, realize, that you are one of the few, in my case, who help.

I don't think that you are perfect, and I know that I am not.

"The way you say things there is no way to ever ever ever interpret anyone’s words."

That is a case in point. Within that case in point, at work, could be the process known as hyperbole working.

I don't know.

I can be wrong.

I think that English is very ineffective at communicating accurately, but I don't think that it is impossible to communicate accurately while using English. It would be a misunderstanding, for example, to derive meaning from my words that suggest that I think it is absolutely, virtually, impossible to ever communicate anything when using English as the language used to reach the coal of accurately communicating meaning.

"The way you say things there is no way to ever ever ever interpret anyone’s words."

I don't know what I can't know.

What can I know?

How can I know what I can know?

"I am not allowed to have a bear perspective?"

To me that is difficult to understand because you write things and I know of one person who reads what you write. I can find that one person easily. What does that one person who reads your written words do when that person who reads your written words reads your written words?

"I am not allowed to have a bear perspective?"

I respond.

If you can write the script that constitutes the right responses then I can respond that way, and my wife does not appreciate this answer, and my daughter does not appreciate this answer, which is a standard answer I offer in this type of situation. My bosses when I worked as an employee did not appreciate this answer.

If I get the right answer I can respond with the right answer.

I can not respond.

I can respond with words that are not honest.

I can repeat the wrong answers, the wrong responses.

Are there other competitive things I can do other than those many possibilities listed above?

"How do you know that O’Connor is not the Devil?"

I do not know. How could I know? The best trap, it seems to me, would be a trap that appeared to be strictly voluntary, and a trap that is advertized to work in defense of liberty (voluntary association), and it remains an open trap, open source, voluntary, and free market, until the trap is sprung, but that is merely a report on what is in fact happening with Legal Crime.

How will I know friend from foe ever?

What is trust?

When a person proves to me that they will, because they will, resort to willful deception, willful threats, and willful violence upon the innocent, then I know that is a foe.

What is meant by the words innocent until proven guilty?

You have a foe in Frank because your belief in your God that include the belief that failure to believe is certain horrible doom.

Frank is your foe, not mine.

I don't believe such things, so I'm doomed, but to me the cure sounds worse than the ailment.

I have to either really believe, which does not happen yet, or I have to counterfeit belief, so there is the punishment that is worse than the aliment.

Failure to believe is certain doom.

I don't believe.

Certain doom, to me, is counterfeit belief.

Why be any part of it, if, in my case, I don't believe?

Now, I don't believe, what happens next?

I keep asking for help to help people which is my new way of reporting Joe's Law in other words.

Where did I get Joe's Law?

Would I be your enemy if I started to say that God gave me Joe's Law?

I'm not elaborate like Frank. I boil down things to one sentence.

Who communicates better?

Who listens?

Who listens to you?

I do.

Why?

You help.

Help what?

Help me help others.

How does that work?

I think it is called friendship.

Not to be confused with pirates and privateers employing Maritime Admiralty Law on the Ships of Legal Crime.

What is so hard about finding the foes, they are torturing and mass murdering millions of innocent people, babies, and less innocent people who are not babies.

How can those bad guys be found, and then avoided?

Follow the ONE MONEY, it is inclupatory evidence leading to the source of that Crime in Progress, it is the Central Power of the Central Powers.

Why not just pull the plug?

We are so busy fighting each other, who has time?

How does that work?

Read.

It works as part of the language, in purpose, that is the design feature. Isn't it nice?

Who judges what is nice?

National Debt is nice, just read what Alexander Hamilton wrote.

Nice as nice can be.

Laughing all the way to the Central Bank.

"You trust someone that contradicts themself to write a Covenant which supersedes all other covenants and joins all religions under ONE and joins Good and Evil under ONE? That is a contradiction in itself."

I'm over here on Mars, looking at Earth, as the believers in the ONE organized religion fight over who is boss, and if I need help in figuring out who wins, I can ask, but to me the Legal Criminals win, and everyone else loses, and by winning I mean that life on Earth is totally destroyed, and that is the measure of winning reached by the Legal Criminals on their chosen path.

So what does your fight to dominate the power of belief in your monopoly belief of God have to do with me?

My answer, which may or may not be true, which may or may not be welcome, is to say that I do not have a pony in that show, and I can say again, if you care to know my thoughts on your fight to defend your monopoly belief in God, is that God knows where to find me and punish me, and send me to the lake of fire, for my failure to know what you know, or my failure to believe what you believe, so be it, with or without the actual invitation addressed to me in advance.

I am here now, there is the lake of fire where God sends me.

So?

Frank goes there too.

You do not.

I think that is good news, at least you are saved.

News from Earth, to me on Mars, at least while I have not yet reached my ultimate destination for the crime of failing to believe, or for the crime of who knows what breaks the camels back, one beer too many, one dollar earned and sent to the torturing mass murderers, and one laugh to many from just another sinner stealing time on Mars.

Oh but this is Earth.

"And as far as working against Legal Crime, didn’t you tell me that the Legal Criminals figure out how to cut each other’s throats to get on top? How do you know that O’Connor is not just trying to be on the top of the heap?"

I thought that we made an agreement on the fact that you win and Frank loses the battle with knowing who has the real belief in God, so you win, he loses, you go to the real heaven, and that sinner, liar, blasphemer goes to the lake of fire. So knowing that, we can then know that, and can we set that aside, or does that carry over and does that add to Frank so as to then make Frank a blood thirsty baby torturing mass murderer?

Guilt by association?

Frank fails to believe the true word of God, and therefore he is a baby torturing mass murderer seeking to dominate all the other baby torturing mass murderers?

Or, on the other hand, is there any evidence, anywhere, that shows how Frank is investing in a competitive involuntary association that is in competition with the one we are associated into with "our" One Legal Money?

"I punish no one."

There are words that appear to be a statement of fact. If only one person in a connection between one person and another person is asked to judge the nature of the connection, both people being alive, and one person connected to the other person says, factually, that I have not punished the other person, is that right in your way of thinking, or, on the other hand, is it right to ask the other living person, if, in fact, the other living person has been punished in any way by the one who states, as a fact, that no punishment has been done?

"I only know what the Bible says."

I have no comment at this point, in reference to those words.

"I really do not know you. But I have cared for you as a friend. If I see a friend heading for trouble what kind of friend am I if I say nothing?"

You don't say nothing, and I appreciate your words, that is why I keep reading your words.

If my responses are wrong, then there are ways to help me make my responses right.

"Actually I do not find him at all reasonable because he Negates The Lord Jesus Christ."

So, by that, I suppose that that human being is hopeless, and helpless, in your view?

In my view I am grateful for all the work he has done, is doing now, and I will be offering him my viewpoints on where I think he goes wrong, so as to have the opportunity for him to help me see where I am going wrong.

"I am a liar if the Bible is a Liar. I am a liar if the Bible is not the Word of God. I am a liar if Jesus is Not the Son of God and GOD HIMSELF. If those things are not true, then I am a liar and a liar of the worse sort: the blind leading the blind."

Here again I do not agree with the definition of the word liar as being someone who believes something and then that someone reports that belief.

If, for example, someone believes that The Constitution of The United States is written to accomplish Liberty, then someone in my opinion is not guilty of a lie, because that is what they believe. To me the information is false, but the person reporting the information is innocent of lying, the person reporting the information is victim to the lie, and the actual liars, like Hamilton, are the ones who are the actual liars.

English is full of land mines such as this example concerning the meaning of the word Liar. Everyone, as in collective punishment, as in prejudice, is guilty of being liars when the meaning of the word cannot distinguish between those who are victim and those who are guilty of inventing and employing the lie to subject the targeted victims to the lie.

1.
Liars know that the lie is false, but they employ the lie willfully as a tool by which to injure targeted innocent victims, for fun and profit.

2.
Victims of lies may repeat the lie, parrot the lie, believe the lie, but they are victim to the lie in the sense that they believe the lie, which is a powerless condition, and is subject to further injury by the actual liars who continue to employ the lie.

That to me is reasonably true, and demonstrably true, in the specific case such as The Constitution example.

"Either O’Connor is a liar or I am a liar. We are not both telling the truth about God."

Again, I see no such thing, I see to people who have this power of belief, which is for each of you a productive power, worthy of knowing, if I could know, but so far I can't, as to your dislike of Frank, as if that were part of your Belief, so be it, you are ordered by your belief to hate Frank, or dislike Frank, enough to call him a liar, when he may be merely confused, merely misdirected, and therefore in no way guilty of lying, he may actually believe what he believes, but your belief orders you to obey the command to hate Frank, and call him a liar, so that is what you do, according to your belief, I suppose, and I know this is my way of being clever, or tricky with words, I confess, so blame me.

Blame me.

Discredit me.

And what is my crime?

I am trying to help you. I may be severely misled, but my motive is honest, and my motive is to help you.

No good deed can ever go unpunished because so many people, but not you, are misled.

"It is a mere choice:"

Your report to me of this fact that it is a mere choice is what it is to you. To me it is either/or the choice between actual belief, which I do not have, or counterfeit belief which I will not choose.

"Perhaps one should look into deception? Satan is the deceiver. It is his job to deceive."

Why do you think I ask if The Bible was written by The Devil?

What do you think I think about the evidence that appears to prove that The King James bible, in English, proves that evil devil worshipers had their hands in those copies of The Bible?

Do you think that I believe the proof to be absolute proof of the fact that The Devil wrote the Bible?

I don't, and the reason I don't is because I trust what you have to say, I put weight in your beliefs.

Why would I suddenly believe something I can't know?

I don't.

The evidence is what the evidence is, a piece of the puzzle that fits, and fits well, perhaps too well, I don't know.

I don't know.

"Or he could be part of the Hegelian dialect."

He is, not could be, as proven by his response to my question. Rather than offer me specific concerning the information of Parse-Sysntax-Grammar, Frank went to the word "liar," but he left open the door of defense for the presumption of innocence on my behalf, he left it in my power to decide, but none-the-less the crime of liar was voiced, but why?

Why the crime of liar?

Why not the benefit of doubt, to say that he may have been misled?

You claim that I do the same, with Hamilton, but it was Hamilton in POWER when the National Debt was being enforced by Hamilton with the Whiskey Rebellion. The same Hamilton claiming that the National Debt is such a nice thing so as to bring Hamilton in to Power.

So yes, we are all part of the Hegelian Dialectic, it is in everything, in our language, in our money, in our books, in our organized religions, in our false man-made-laws.

It is in Frank, it is in you, it is in me.

Can we help each other identify it, and presumable avoid it, if we want to avoid it, if we no longer find it useful?

"It simply means that you have personally placed your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sin before Holy God."

That is a Hegelian Dialectic Argument of Semantics.

What is the meaning of the word Trust?

How can I Trust something that makes no sense to me?

I can't.

It is not possible.

That leaves the choice of counterfeit Trust or counterfeit Belief by whichever word you wish to use one minute and then switch to another word, meaning the same thing, the next minute.

If I read the histories offered through the research (or false research) by Frank then I read that Jesus was a really good guy who fought against Legal Criminals in that time period, spending all he had to save millions of starving people.

I can trust, believe, that to be true.

What does that mean?

It means, to me, that it is life preserving to do things that actually preserve life including the necessity of fighting against those who are willfully destroying life.

Why would I not believe something that is merely common sense?

Do I have to believe that actual specific story, exactly according to the documents discovered by Frank?

No.

Why would I?

What would be the point?

Do I have to believe the specific stories that are written in the documents that you have discovered, that you believe, to be true?

No.

What would be the point?

You say I have to believe or I spend eternity in a lake of fire?

Believe what?

"It simply means that you have personally placed your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sin before Holy God."

That is entirely ambiguous; to me it is nonsense, it is so completely open ended, on its face, to give absolute control over anyone who cares to define the meaning of sin any way they care to do so on their own absolute authority to do so.

To you, in the context of your discoveries, your life, your special connection to God, your unique situation here on earth, those words mean exactly what they mean to you, without error.

I have a different connection to God, and if you are right, then I'm on my way to the lake of fire, but that has no meaning to me.

God knows where to find me.

God, to me, is pulling the strings.

Have at it God, you know best.

More power to you.

You, on the other hand, are not me.

"Because you must come as a child with childlike faith. You will not."

Here again you are claiming to have greater authority over me and my connection to God that the actual connection between me and God, so where do you get this power to take that authority from God?

You say "I will not" and you do so with all this pretentious authority given to you by who?

God?

God gave you the authority to tell me what I am doing in my relationship with God?

No, it turns out, the Bible gave you that authority?

Show me those words, and they will be in English, and so I will have a very hard time figuring out the actual intended meaning of the words. You can help me figure out the intended meaning of the words being communicated to me by God, and I appreciate the help.

"Because you must come as a child with childlike faith. You will not."

I will not what, according to you?

I will not talk baby talk?

I was a child, my childlike faith has been forgotten, if it ever existed, so what is this stuff, and if all I can see is baby talk, or what, I don't know, then I'm back to I don't know.

I'm back to I don't know or counterfeit belief.

Is that what that means; childlike faith is equal to counterfeit belief?

Or, I'm so far gone, so stupid, so corrupt, that it is the lake of fire, with or without the counterfeit belief, or the counterfeit childlike faith.

"God did not do that. Satan did that."

That is more of the same battle between you and Frank, since Frank is the one that is claiming that there is still this power struggle going on between God and Satan, so you are saying that Satan managed to kill off God's son, in so many words, but that is, again, my words, but I don't have a pony in this show, so my words are powerless, my words are merely the words of some poor idiot on Mars on his way to the lake of fire because I forgot how to access this baby faith.

"I did and it was not welcomed. It was shunned and I was made the culprit, the deceiver, the liar, the judge."

Now we are back to me being in a position to choose the lesser, or the competitive, or the inventive, response, to say yes, I have done wrong, again, and again I will do wrong, and when responding next time I can work at not being so wrong, and if you write exactly what I did wrong, and explain exactly what I did wrong in such a way as to afford me the certain knowledge that what I did was wrong, then I can work to not repeat that wrong, with the warning in advance that I am just a stupid old guy with many faults and bad habits, so I may again repeat the same wrong things even though I know they are wrong when I get to that point of knowing exactly what I wrote that inspired you to write this:

"I did and it was not welcomed. It was shunned and I was made the culprit, the deceiver, the liar, the judge."

As far as my memory goes, my third party viewpoint here, in this case, is such that Frank and you are believers in different beliefs, and I have no pony in that show, and God knows where to find me.

If I can be left out of that argument over which belief is more true, then that would probably help me avoid repeating the same error.

"That is a lie. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. The document written by O’Connor is a CON."

Of course that is more true, dominating, overpowering, and defeating Franks lie, since Frank is such a liar, one and the same with the baby murdering serial killers?

I'm doing it again?

There I go again, doing it again, the same routine mistake, and what should I do instead, hand me the script.

You say this:

"That is a lie. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. The document written by O’Connor is a CON."

Tell me the appropriate response, and I will respond that way, and all will be right, and I won't be wrong again.

"Very dangerous."

Back to me, back to the idea that power flowing to those who are currently torturing and murdering millions, and the power flowing to them is flowing from those who start the day with less and end the day with more, because they are honest, and they are cooperative, and they are productive, and following that inclupatory evidence of unmistakable evidence, there are those few who have nearly managed to gain absolute power. Back to me here, and I have a capacity to measure the relative danger of a person, named Frank, who invents ways to fight against Legal Crime, and the danger produced by the Legal Criminals.

1. Danger produced by Frank

2. Danger produced by Legal Criminals

Which is more dangerous?

Frank does not control the one INVOLUNTARY association with the one money.

Which is more dangerous?

1. The one Involuntary Association with the One money Fraud Power.

2. Competitive offerings that intend to fight against 1 above.

Of course any time spent on solutions that do not work are only as good as the knowing of what does not work.

How does one know how to fight against Legal Crime?

The answer isn't to ignore it an hope it goes away.

The real danger I see is in failing to prepare for what will happen when the rats really start going after each other in earnest.

Frank appears to be able to see, and accurately quantify, that real danger.

"I am a liar because I said I was done and I did not cease and desist on the O’Connor talk."

The response I would offer to you, the one that comes to my mind, is held back at this time, I admit that my response would not be helpful in a sense, but I have no other response handy, and therefore I can keep silent, or I can ask for you to authorize the right response, and then I can write the right response, the welcome response, or the agreeable response, once that is known to me.

"I did not take time to edit this great wall of text, nor did I soften my words. I hope I have not been too offensive. This is a very serious matter."

Agreed.

Joe

Do Not Disturb

bear is now chained to bookwork and because bear cannot do 2 things at one time bear will now be in hibernation concerning discussion. If you must wake me, please know that bookwork may be hindered.
I will miss discussion.
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Episode 5 questions

Eventually I plan on editing down the questions into a concise form.

Episode 5

NOTE: Information has probably changed since Episode 5 was recorded.

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Time:
1:06:00

On the buying price, or penal sum, people paying torturers, Heyday?
A document at the Vatican, called Heyday, concerning the payment to torturers to stop torturing.

Where is there a copy of this document?

Link to Trial by Jury by Lysander Spooner and the bounty on the King, or the fine for the murder of the King

Margin, commission, piece of the action, percentage, incentive, Judge (Trustee?) makes a percentage of commission for trading the penal price offered to the dead soul, that they claim ownership over, if the target agrees to the game where the living soul pretends, or acts like, agrees to, being a dead soul, or slave, and the private bank employees, trading in dead souls, extract any power found to be connected to the living soul, the target, and if there is power worth taking, then a transfer of power is facilitated, in a measurable way, from the target to the so called bankers, or so called trustees, or so called judges, and the so called prosecutors, or the so called executors,

Time
1:10:00

They do not want to stop crime, that is how they make their living, they want to perpetuate crime, because they get a piece of the action, they, the Legal Criminals, trade in crime, the more evil the better.

Where is the list, the official list, of the Penal Prices paid to Judges, or Trustees, for each specific crime, and what is the percentage rate, or commission, paid to the Judges, in America, officially? The real, authentic, actual, price per crime, paid according to that Law?

1. UCC?
2. Admiralty?
3. Noehide?

The weak spot of the Judge, where the Judge loses (money), is a case where an appeal overturns their profit making venture in trading Penal Prices for Crime made Legal.

"Fiduciary duties" not be followed?

Challenge a Judge with words such as:

"Your Honor I seek leave for an interrogatory appeal on a matter of law."

So fiduciary duties is the glue that binds the Legal Criminals into a single POWER that makes them more powerful than the sum of each individual Legal Criminal added up, honor among thieves.

Comments:

Frank again stresses that you do not want to ever go to court, the Black Robed "traders" are only paying lip service to the concept of Law, but, if you do face these (so called) people, then do not be like them, do not become dishonorable in a true sense, and offer them a way out at the first level of their Court, which according to Frank is UCC or Uniform Commercial Code.

In other words everyone loses if the victim, the target, YOU, facing the Court fails to follow rules offered to you, but kept from you, secret rules that THEY think you should know, and since you fail to know these secret rules (hidden in plain sight), since you are incompetent, then they OWN YOU, and they can do with you as they please, and everyone loses, them, you, everyone loses if you play hard ball, you play by their hidden rules, their secret rules, and you challenge them at the first level, at UCC, and you fail to use the right words, the right magic spells, the right paperwork, whatever, if you fail to do it right, then everyone loses, and the Judge (Trustee) runs out of the court, calling the code word "recess" which does not mean "recess," the word "recess" means that the Judge has caught you in error, and the Judge will go get a "bigger stick" (Franks' words) and when the Judge returns after "recess" you are in bigger trouble, and the Judge is in bigger trouble, so the stakes are higher, and now YOU may go to jail, instead of YOU paying a fine in the lower level, or commercial level.

Now, this all replaces actual Common Law, so get that out of your heads, and I can comment on that much more, but returning to the IDEA that you want to win at the first level, and you don't want to force the Judge to go into the second level, so you have to do the right things at the first level, where you politely offer the "Judge" (Trustee) an offer to dismiss the case.

Frank says words that may be worth quoting, in that first level, that UCC level, where the target (my words), and the victim (my words) has the opportunity to play hard ball, which is to say that the targeted victim can be competent, and the victim can defend effectively against being a victim, and the defender takes control, becomes a self governing defender and the defender offers the "Judge" a way out, which the "Judge" will take, because the "Judge" does not want to risk his own loss of commission, money, pay, earnings, for trading in your soul - which is the bottom line here.

The stage is then set, the defender is up against the Black Robed Devil Worshiper in fact, or the ignorant unwilling fellow victim of Crime made Legal, just another soldier in a costume, or uniform, who is just following orders, trying to earn a decent living in a world run by the insane.

So YOU the target (supposedly, or theoretically, or in actual fact some time in the future) and this is a Stage set at the first level of PLAYTIME, and this level is called UCC LAW, or CODE, and at this level the most you will have to face is loss of some measure of value, a fine, loss of control of some property, whatever, this is not a level whereby you will face jail time, which is very likely to be physical pain combined with emotional pain, or physical damage combined with psychological damage, and if you have no idea what that is like, then speak to someone who has been in prison, and if they are willing to tell you the truth, then you can learn from their experiences without having to go through it yourself.

So at the first Level of Legal Crime, this UCC Level, facing pecuniary punishment, you can act like a slave, and pay up, or you may not be able to afford the payments, your own Judgement, and you fight back, in defense, in Liberty.

You challenge the Kangaroo Court, and you use their own laws to make that Challenge.

Frank says (and this requires much of my time and effort to replay the audio file over and over again to get these words copied), so Franks offers an example of what can be a competitive challenge, in his words (not the words of an independent self governing, actual, human being speaking at that time and place):

First if the bailiff or judge calls recess in UCC "court" because you failed to be competent while in UCC:
Time 1:22: or so

Respond to "recess" with a challenge, which is an offer, or way out for the "Judge".

"Let it be on the record, I do not consent to the Judge changing the form of law of the court to Admiralty, or, I do not consent to the form of the law being changed to Cannon Law and Admiralty."

That is if the recess is being called and the Judge is still in UCC court, not yet returning in Admiralty Law.

What needs to be done while still in UCC, to avoid forcing the Judge out, is this (according to Frank) to be competent, honorable, polite, honest, respectful, etc.:

Defender of self government (your plea):
"Your honor I wish to firstly ask, please, as a matter of law, are you presiding as trustee of this matter as a constructive Trust, as a Trust?"

"Judge" (Legal Criminal) often may say:
"I'm not here to answer that, I've asked for your plea, how do you plea?"

Defender
"Your honor without seeking an appeal on a matter of law, to another court, I merely ask, are you presiding as the trustee of this matter as a constructive Trust, or in fact as Administrator of a Cestui Que Vies from which the Trust is created?"

If the "Judge" (Legal Crime) leaves (bait and switch) despite being offered a way out, a way for the "Judge" to dismiss the case, and avoid further escalation of risks for the "Judge" and for the target, the defender, if the "Judge" runs out of court anyway, then:

Defending
"I wish, for the record to object, to the judge changing the form of the law, and I will reassert my rights upon his return."

Note: "They make it up as they go along."

Key words "It is a matter of law."

Joe

Got it

Thanks

Joe

Sieze the Bond of the Clerk

I have made it to Episode 4 here:

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=...

The concept of a competitive Insurance policy is conveyed, with words, in Episode 4, and to me that is an obviously competitive solution to the False Federal Money Monopoly, and the False Federal Income Tax Monopoly, and the Misled Military Defense POWERS as in:

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home
4.
Start doing those things and have those things done by July 4th, 2013

The concept of an Insurance Policy in Episode 4 is spoken of in the context of "fighting city hall" where the defender, freedom fighter, free man, whatever, is using the existing laws against the criminals in office who are also using the existing laws, so the concept of that fight has to do with calling their fraud out into the open, and once the light of truth is shown upon the rats, and the roaches, they will scatter, or they will feed upon their own; but the concept of a competitive Insurance policy is an obviously competitive Free Market solution all by its on self-evident existence as a defensive method of defending against harm by criminals, and in this case a method of defending against harm by Legal Criminals.

What is a bond?

What would you call it when a person goes into a shopping center where many businesses are selling Anti-Despotism Insurance, and the beneficiaries of the policies for sale are covered in the event of loss at the hands of some criminal who happens to be wearing a badge?

Which Insurance policy is the lowest cost and highest benefit to the purchaser who is doing the shopping in that shopping center?

No such thing exists?

It does exist, if I understand Bonds correctly, the problem with the existing Anti-Despotism Insurance Policy is that it is a Monopoly Issue, so there is only one in force.

What happens when there is no Free Market and what happens if there is only one seller of needful things?

The answer is as clear as anyone can ever know anything, since those who have the exclusive power to supply needful things to the needy are those who will be corrupted by that absolute power. Quality goes down, and costs go up, so there is a steady increase in the cost of Anti-Despotism Insurance while the benefits turn into absolutely no benefits, and instead the benefits are only costs like this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936594218?tag=bullnotbull-20

This:

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."

Or this measure:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The joke is on those who actually produce anything worth stealing.

"When you’re up to your neck in alligators, it’s easy to forget that the initial objective was to drain the swamp."

Ha, ha, ha, so funny.

As to those who may completely discredit all the information offered in those Episodes I can offer some context.

If it is true that Lincoln was the last President of the original United States, and therefore the current President does not exist, or exists in name only, because, as is told in that link, the Corporation of The District of Columbia is the current form of U.S.A. (a corporation) run by a Board of Directors and a Corporate President, not the "real" President, and if it is also true that the memory of Lincoln IS the real President, not the "corporate" president, like a shell game, or like a confidence scheme, and the last President of the original United States is kept "alive" by way of reenacting The State of Emergency, and therefore Marshal Law is kept alive since it was first evoked during The Civil War when Lincoln first enacted, enforced, or in my view perpetrated that crime, which, if true, is a crime still in progress, then what would be a tell tale sign of honesty, or truth, done by a "real" President such as a Ron Paul, or Jesse Ventura, or Rand Paul, if such as President were to become elected?

What if you or I were suddenly thrown into that position of POWER?

It matters not who does it, which is the point here, if you may.

If it pleases you to consider, then consider the concept of a President finding him, or her, self in that office, and having the POWER to avoid reenacting, or reinstating, that Emergency Power, which would then nullify The District of Columbia Corporate Power, and what else?

What goes with nullification of The District of Columbia Corporation?

1.
The Federal Reserve
2.
The Federal Income Tax
3.
The misled Troops
4.
The corporate meaning of The 4th of July in America

Have a nice day.

Joe

I am listening to this one.

I saw the grammar link. Should I be doing bookwork? :) I have been running back and forth this week playing taxi. A new era in our family :) Next week looks busy as well, but not as...I think...I hope?

bear can bear it?

I have been thinking a lot about the women who I call the Girl Scouts.

I think about these women who fill the vacuum left in the absence of men, real men, the human beings, being male, who should be serving and protecting all innocent people, but who are not, and instead of serving and protecting, we men, are wasting away our power on misdirected paths.

Episode 2
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=...

In reference to recent events, in particular any efforts by anyone, man, or woman, whereby the effort is to "fight city hall," on the basis of a romantic idea of Common Law, and Liberty, and morality, just doing right, justice, fairness, equity, any sense at all of serving, and protecting, the innocent, including the recent Adam Kokesh Stand on Rights, and planned events involving States Rights.

In reference to all that, I have a quote I heard today, and I see a need to bounce this quote off of any other competitive mind who may entertain the information, and judge the information for validity.

Quote in Episode 2 time 49:42 or so...

"I don't know how many times I've seen, since I've been doing this in recent time, remedies that send people down the wrong hole, and even find that the first few people that do it get a free pass, it's a standard operating procedure that the first few look like they're winning: send thousands down the rabbit hole, and you've got business booming in torturing souls for the next ten years. Competence is the only magic bullet: competence of the law, and the only way to be competent with the law is to read the Law."

Joe

More than I expected

The guy is promoting a cult: http://one-heaven.org/home.php referenced towards the end of episode 1.

He talks about growing in "the faith."

The Bible says 2 Peter 3:18 KJV
But growin grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
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He said there is a thing worse than being dead, and that is being is hell. He says hell will end, and when hell ends the dead will rise.

The Bible says: Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

He does not speak the truth.
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He says when you go into the bathroom and look into the mirror you are looking at the risen dead.

When I, as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, go in the bathroom and look into the mirror I am looking at someone who is alive in Christ.

When someone who is not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ goes into the bathroom and looks into the mirror, they are seeing someone who is dead in their trespasses and sin.

http://beta.biblestudytools.com/kjv/ephesians/2-audio.html
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His website proclaims:

http://one-heaven.org/content/about_one_heaven.html

“So it is that even when peace has reigned briefly on Earth, if but for a day, there has never been peace in Heaven since the beginning of time. A war between angels and demons, a war between saints and sinners between cloaked devotees of darkness and genuine light bringers.

Our world has suffered and souls have been cursed.

And yet a promise has always been there, that one day there war would come to an end.

This day has arrived.

The United States of Spirits

The Constitution of the United States of Spirits, of One Heaven is the fulfillment of that dream and promised- that one day humanity will be united, that the war between heaven and hell, between heaven and earth shall finally be over.”

The Bible says:

2 Corinthians:518 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

It is only thru the Lord Jesus Christ that man can be reconciled to God.
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“There has to be a good thing in existence for there to be a False version of it.”

There is a Luciferian religion that claims that Satan is the Illuminator of mankind and that the God of the Christians is the evil entity. Luciferians hide in a so-called Christian religion and have interchanged paganism traditions and rituals into their form of the Christian religion.

I think that William Cooper gives a good explanation of how the world religions are Luciferian.
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“The subject matter steps firmly into your belief in religion, and you may not want to have that faith tested in this manner. I don't know how else to warn you. “

This subject matter tests my faith in no way. The information given about God, Jesus Christ and Christianity is incorrect. I can see the subject matter being used by a single world government as the single world religion. That will happen. I don’t know if this one-heaven information is in fact that single religion. There are also people who talk about “The Christ.” But in so doing, they are not speaking of the One and Only Lord Jesus Christ, but are speaking about all “The Christs” in all religions, and that the Bible is not to be taken literally.
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“There are specific references to people being "Born Again," and there are connections made between being "Born Again" and devil worship. I think that the connections are false, as a matter of demonstrable fact, and I think that the person doing the connecting is a believer in God himself, but the information, to me, maps out the connections that constitute the False Front, and we have spoken about the fact that the genuine thing is what is used to create the FALSE version. “

I fell asleep a couple of times listening to Episode 1. Was the Born Again part in episode 1?
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“The reason I am asking for help has to do with my limited capacity for judgment concerning matters of belief, and concerning therefore the legitimacy of this information being factual, and therefore the estimate of this person's motives. “

These people appear to have written their own “Bible” http://one-heaven.org/covenant/

Josf, The Bible is God’s Word and gives the history of Creation and God’s interaction with man from day 1. It is the truth and It explains what is to become of people as well as this world.
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“If you disagree with the actions of anyone, then my idea there is to ask what would you be willing to do to stop those actions that you disagree with were it in your power to stop them.”

These days…not much. It seems I mostly look the other way…considering there is a meth house caddy corner to my house.

Why? I am a coward. Not a girl scout.
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“Again, fair warning, please know what you are going into is DARK stuff, very, very, very Evil stuff.”

However, if I see I am in the wrong place when it comes to this information investigation, I will cease and desist. OK?

Should I listen to Episode 2 or relisten to Episode 1, or do you want me to concentrate efforts on something specific?

I need to do bookwork too. Can you help me know how to best use my time where you are concerned?
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I have a day with the Amish tomorrow.

...

He is?

Your estimate of what that person is doing and what he is doing may not be the same thing, at least that is how I see it, which is the same principle applied to me too.

The person addresses the claim made by other people as other people may accuse him of starting a cult, at least I heard that preemptive answer to that obvious concern. I think the answer went something along the lines of yes, you can say that, but compared to what?

When I heard that answer to that claim my focus of attention returned to the actual information concerning the power held by the people who claim to have authority over their targeted victims. I am already well enough aware of the fact that the world is distinctly divided into those who have an extremely significant amount of power and those who are significantly powerless, so no one needs to offer me reinforcements concerning that demonstrable fact, but the concept of knowing what exactly moves that power in that direction, from the many to those few, is in my opinion well explained in these Episodes.

I understand that you hold your belief for reasons that you know, and for reasons that I don't know, and therefore your reasons for believing what you believe are, in that way, the same to me as anyone else having reasons to believe things I do not believe as they do; in other words one religion, to me, can be called a cult, as well as any other, so my questions have to do with finding out if that religion is TRUE, in the sense that their goals are actually what they strive to reach, instead of their goals being counterfeit goals, and their actual actions confess that they are merely another bunch of criminals who are using false belief in false gods to falsify their actual goals.

So the answer offered by the person who you say is promoting a cult was to say compared to what, the cult of these people who worship the devil, who lie, who torture, and who mass murder, the cult that just so happens to be in command of almost everyone, he is promoting a cult compared to the cult that he is fighting against?

My point here is to say to you, OK, that is the first thing you respond to, as if you are in competition with other religions, yours being the only one, and everyone else is false, or everyone but your religion is a cult, because you have the documentation. Instead of saying hey Joe, I think that guy has found the source of power used by those most powerful people alive today, and the source of that power is an elaborate Fraud that is based upon deception, devil worship, and black magic, and then, you could add that the guy may be misdirected as to which is the best way to fight against such a formidable power as that devil worshiping cult, it looks like he may be thinking that the only way to fight the black magic cult is to use their own black magic against them.

We could then discuss the concept of black magic actually being a power, as entirely a psychological deception, or as something more along the lines of the actual existence of a being called the Devil, but instead I'm hit with an immediate zeroing in on the demonizing of this person by you.

Perhaps he is worthy of demonizing, I don't know, but the information sounds very well researched, and accurate, and if the major facts prove to be true, then I think that this information is extremely important for anyone who may actually be seeking remedy.

"He does not speak the truth."

So, setting that aside, as to what that person says about Biblical prophecy, his version being wrong, and your version being right, does the information concerning what has existed, what exists now, and what may continue to exist for some time, in this thing we call government, do you know if any of that is true, concerning these people who have given themselves ownership of all the people on the planet?

"He says when you go into the bathroom and look into the mirror you are looking at the risen dead."

Now I doubt your capacity to understand what is being said, or I doubt my capacity to do so, because I heard something along those lines, and the words suggested that the POWER used to enslave everyone makes everyone THINGS, not only in the minds of the Devil Worshipers who invent these forms of POWER, which are deceptions, lies, frauds, extortion, torture, black magic (real or not), not only do the Legal Criminals understand their power to be what it is, and not only do the Legal Criminals misunderstand their power to be what it is, but the victims are also infected with this POWER, as the victims are led to believe that they are THINGS, and the victims are "dead to the world" in a sense that they are not thinking and acting like free people, they are instead thinking and acting like slaves, so the message I got was to ask people to look in the mirror and consider the concept of waking up, or being alive, or rising from that condition of being under that spell where you are led to believe that you own National Debt, and other such DEBTS that are false.

That was my take on the words I hear, and if you can point out the words that you heard, where this person does what you say he does, then I can know what you know, the way you know it, even if I may not believe your version of it.

"When someone who is not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ goes into the bathroom and looks into the mirror, they are seeing someone who is dead in their trespasses and sin."

So that is somehow different from what that person is saying, and that is OK with me, you believe what you believe, he believes what he believes, and I believe what I believe, and it isn't the same thing. I don't even believe that you know what he believes at this point.

My point had to do with the information concerning the sources of power for the Legal Criminals here in this Country.

You wrote:

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There is a Luciferian religion that claims that Satan is the Illuminator of mankind and that the God of the Christians is the evil entity. Luciferians hide in a so-called Christian religion and have interchanged paganism traditions and rituals into their form of the Christian religion.

I think that William Cooper gives a good explanation of how the world religions are Luciferian.
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As misdirected as that person may be as to the way to fight these Legal Criminals, or what God is, or what God is not, etc., it seems to me that the information offered on those Devil Worshipers, their names, the dates, the things they did, the way they did the things they did, how those past things moved along, and now, in the present, they are doing these things this way, in these forms, on and on, explaining the processes that the Legal Criminals, Devil Worshipers, Luciferians, whatever, the process that they do, the meanings of the Black Robes, the records of their Trusts, and their Deeds, and their Spells, is the point I wanted to point out.

The fact that your beliefs are not his beliefs can apply to your beliefs compared to half the population of the world who believe in a God with a different name, and a different scripture, and a different language, but if their basic principles are the same, such as honesty, and doing no harm, and doing unto others as someone would have someone do unto themselves, then that is that, that way, the same, in agreement, the same principles, different languages, different histories, different cultures, but the same principle, so that is what I look for, and I don't expect you to see anything my way, or believe anything I believe.

My point has more to do with the Legal Criminals in false offices of authority, wearing Black Robes, and having power over their victims, and so where do they get that power?

Do they get that power because their leaders are Luciferians, or Devil Worshipers, or just liars with fancy black robes, or a combination of all those various versions of the same principle, which is the principle of deception, threats, and violence upon the innocent?

Is there power in this black magic, or is the power merely a belief in the lies?

Are the Legal Criminals actually practicing black magic?

Are the Judges in all these Courts in this Country supporting, working for, Devil Worshipers?

"This subject matter tests my faith in no way."

That is good to hear, so can you offer anything on the information offered concerning how the System of Laws work in this Country?

Is what this guy reporting about how the System of Laws work in this Country true?

"I can see the subject matter being used by a single world government as the single world religion. That will happen. I don’t know if this one-heaven information is in fact that single religion."

I don't understand how you can say those things. There is a very few people who are demonstrably the most powerful people on this planet, and this guy is reporting that they have accumulated that power in ways that can be known, done this way on this date, done that way on that day, this person did this, this person did that, all along the way, and according to him their "religion" is this Roman Cult, or Devil Worshiping Group, whatever, so in that sense the World Religion is already here, and it has been here for centuries. If there is going to be a replacement of it, how can you say it will be a replacement, as if the replacement is even more destructive, more evil?

I may be wrong about this one-heaven group, but to me it looks like an experiment in fighting against Legal Crime, from a religious perspective, and it appears to be going no where, other than being a source of information concerning how the Legal Criminals gain their power and keep their power.

If there are not enough people fighting against Legal Crime, no matter how well intentioned, or moral, or right, the few who do fight are, to me, there will be no peace on Earth, there will continue to be mountains of innocent victims for as long as human beings remain alive.

So, to me, this information is worth checking for validity, and the effort to fight against Legal Crime is worth knowing as any successes that may have been realized, and worth knowing as any failures that were also realized, such as failing to gain enough people working toward the same goal.

If the guy was misdirected as to how true religion works, then that could explain why this effort of his appears not to be working well to fight against Legal Crime with sufficient power to move from all this Legal Crime to much less Legal Crime.

Is the very detailed information concerning the Systems of Law, and how the System of Law is driven by these criminals in The Roman Cult, true, or not true?

"I fell asleep a couple of times listening to Episode 1. Was the Born Again part in episode 1?"

Yes, and it was a historical reference as to what the people in the Roman Cult have done in the past, so in context of there being a true religion and a false religion, that would be a reference to the false one, the one based upon falsehood.

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These people appear to have written their own “Bible”
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Again, this is all part of attacking the messenger, and I don't see that organization the same way you apparently see it. If these people agree to combine their defensive forces by making voluntary agreements among themselves, then that can be what they do, and if they share a belief in religion, and they share a belief in moral principle, then they can be misdirected as to which, or who, is the True God, or the True Son of God, or whatever, but that is a far cry from people who employ immoral principles to enslave their targeted victims.

If they, those one-heaven people, enforce involuntary associations while employing deceit, threats, and violence upon the innocent, then that is worth knowing, but does that change the information offered on the Legal Criminals running the show for centuries by employing deceit, threats, and violence upon the innocent?

"Josf, The Bible is God’s Word and gives the history of Creation and God’s interaction with man from day 1. It is the truth and It explains what is to become of people as well as this world."

I've read some of The Bible and I may have missed the information that explains how I am supposed to prepare myself against Legal Criminals who may knock on the door and take me to Court. The detail in which this information from these Episodes goes into is applicable to current events that are local.

If things get worse, which The Bible appears to suggest that it will, again not very specific in The Bible as far as I know, then it may be a good idea to know what worse means, more precisely, such as knowing that behind the Black Robes in those Courts will be people who have no moral limits whatsoever.

Might it be a good idea to know who butters the bread of those people who we think are hired by us to serve and protect?

"These days…not much. It seems I mostly look the other way…considering there is a meth house caddy corner to my house."

If things get worse?

Does the Bible say that things are going to get worse for you?

I don't need a Bible to see that things can get much worse, really quick, for me. I think it will be a good idea to know how to know friend from foe, such as knowing, not guessing, what power is at work in our so called government.

If the information offered by this guys is correct, then there is no legitimacy to our False Federal government, the opposite is true, and all that information offered, if it is true, shows just how opposite our False Federal government is from true authority.

In other words, I don't need a Bible, or this guy, to tell me that Criminals have taken over, but if the information offered by this guys is true, then I have more power in showing anyone caring to know how false, how opposite true authority, this False Federal government is, because this happened on this date, and that happened on that date, and this person did this, and that person did that, and that is why the Black Robes are worn, and that is why they say this, and that is why they do the evil things they do, not because they are making mistakes, but because they are willfully evil.

They are devil worshipers.

Are they devil worshipers?

"However, if I see I am in the wrong place when it comes to this information investigation, I will cease and desist. OK?"

OK

"Should I listen to Episode 2 or relisten to Episode 1, or do you want me to concentrate efforts on something specific?"

I was not looking for a competitive evaluation of religious beliefs between your beliefs in your religion and the person offering the information on the false government operating in this Country, where you live, and where I live, I was more interested in the accuracy of the information concerning specifically the power supply.

Is the power supply magic, as in black magic, or is that stuff called black magic merely the total accumulated result of belief in falsehood?

Why do so many innocent people, good people, honest people, hard working productive people, moral people, so many of them, end up on the mass murdered pile?

Is it magic?

Do those Legal Criminals actually conjure up POWER other that mere lies, threats, and violence?

I think that they, the Legal Criminals, delude themselves as well as their victims, but seriously, are these people right here in this country, really, in this modern day, Devil Worshipers, for real?

How about Bohemian Grove, for example?

Does the information this guy offers fit?

Is it true (other than his religious beliefs)?

Joe

I am not you so I don't talk like you.

I am blunt. My focus is different.

My point was, that if this man can create his own religion, he can also create his own world view. He can also create his own magic, I suppose.

Yes, there is black magic.

There are also people who will lead the opposition. I don't know if what this guy says is true. I tried listening to Episode 1 last night as I went to sleep, but I went to sleep. I only heard what I had already heard.

The Bible says this:

Hebrews 4:12 KJV
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Jesus quoted scripture when the Satan told him that if he would bow down to him that he [Satan] would give him the kindgdoms of this world.

So yes, it makes sense that the kingdoms of this world are in Satan's realm.

Ephesians 6:12 KJV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Before that verse the armour of God is described. It is what Christians are to wear each day.

The Bible is specific as to what is going to happen. There is going to be a great tribulation such as has never been. You just think you know about bodies piled high to heave. When Satan's wrath is loosed, and it will be, the death count will be unbelievable.

If you want specifics, look here:

http://beta.biblestudytools.com/kjv/revelation/19.html

As far as what the guy said about the 12 apostles. That may be the zodiac, not the Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible describes the Lord Jesus Christ. He is holy and just. He is not moved by black magic.

Pharoah and Moses had a magic war.

Any alliance outside of an alliance with the One True God which is ONLY possible thru His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ, is an alliance with Satan. Satan comes in many forms, even as an angel of light. Do not be fooled.

I cannot help you apart from the Word of God.

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In that light.

"I cannot help you apart from the Word of God."

Your belief is, if I get this right, or wrong, you can correct or affirm, that Moses was the good guy, in a historical battle, and the opposition to Moses was the bag guy, who is in that battle a person named Pharoah.

Is that another way of saying this:

"Pharoah and Moses had a magic war."

Have I misunderstood your words?

Is it possible that both Moses and Pharoah were just another two people, leading two groups, where both groups are misdirected by some other person who invented some lie of some kind, a lie of exactly as much power as was measured in the number of innocent people destroyed in that battle that happened according to factual evidence recorded on those accurate accounts of those factual events?

Rephrasing: is it your belief that Moses was defending, while Pharoah was attacking, and that is why Moses was good, and that is why Pahroah was bad?

I can employ your answers in the context of the information offered by the people you say are Cult members who worship a false God, and here there is potential for help to me, since I vaguely remember a reference concerning Moses in the information offered by that person or that group called UCADIA.

I can replay the Episode 1 audio file to find that specific event concerning the specific person named as Moses, if I get the time, and the interest, or the motivation, to place this information into a Biblical reference instead of it being, to me, a here and now, what do I do now, reference.

What do I do now?

Help myself is the obvious answer. I see a need to know better, so I will be returning to the information offered by UCADIA, with the goal in mind of learning how better to fight, peacefully, against Legal Criminals, which actions are counter productive, and which actions work better at reaching the goal of Liberty.

What can be done, for example, if I run into more people who are being evicted from their homes, or if I run into more people who are being threatened by the IRS, or if, in fact, those people are me, and my family, and it may be a good idea to know better as to the origin of that POWER that arrives at the door demanding the very limited power I have left while I still walk this Earth.

Joe

Houston, we have a problemm...

I have listened to episode 2 and I believe those are the words I heard Frank speak regarding those that believe that every word in the Bible is true.

I believe the Bible is God breathed and inspired one and only written Word of God. This man, Frank, uses the Scriptures, but does not rightly divide them. According to the Bible he is a False Prophet and in him is the Spirit of Anti-Christ as he has declared all past covenants between the Creator and the Created null and void and has proclaimed a new covenant and in so doing has trampled under foot the blood of Christ.

• Hebrews 10:29 KJV
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye , shall he be thought worthy , who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified , an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

He is declaring divine consciences and awareness (and that may very well be the strong delusion that will be sent in the last days http://lionandlambministry.com/index.php/component/content/a... ). Franks declaration does not change the fact that it is only by the blood of Christ and by faith in His sacrificial death that makes one acceptable to God. Frank has declared that all are acceptable and have a divine number or something with the Creator. That is false according to the Bible.

The Bible says we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The Bible says that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord. The Bible says that while we were yet sinners Christ died for the ungodly. The Bible says without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. The Bibles says that whosoever believes that Jesus is the Son has life and that the wrath of God is upon the unbeliever.

According to the Bible, Frank IS a FALSE PROPHET and if you seek help from him that is what you do. I will seek help from the Father who sent His Son because He loved me and that God, Him Self, died on the Cross for me so that He might purchase me from the Dominion of Satan and Death and transform me to the Kingdom of His Son and Life.

This “Awareness” that is spoken of by Frank is also spoken of by William Cooper and William Cooper warns against it as it is the same spirit as the Roman church. According to Cooper, The Roman Empire hid itself in the Roman Church. I am not sure I understand and believe all that William Cooper says as I have not yet listened to every word. But I can tell you without a doubt from a Biblical perspective that Frank is an Anti-Christ because he denies the only means of salvation who is the Lord Jesus Christ:

1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away , and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come , even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him

There are those who talk about “The Christ,” and indicate that each religion contains “The Christ.” There is one Christ, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ, the ONLY begotton Son of the Father. If that is not the truth, then Jesus Christ is a liar because He declares himself to be the Only Begotton of the Father. Have you had a chance to look at John 3 again?

“Your belief is, if I get this right, or wrong, you can correct or affirm, that Moses was the good guy, in a historical battle, and the opposition to Moses was the bag guy, who is in that battle a person named Pharoah.”

Affirmative. Moses was called by God to deliver the children of Israel from slavery in Egypt. Jacob’s sons had been in Egypt for 100’s of years and the time came when Pharaoh no longer recognized that people as welcomed guests, and made them slaves instead.

“Is it possible that both Moses and Pharoah were just another two people, leading two groups, where both groups are misdirected by some other person who invented some lie of some kind, a lie of exactly as much power as was measured in the number of innocent people destroyed in that battle that happened according to factual evidence recorded on those accurate accounts of those factual events?”

Not according to the Bible. According to the Bible God called Moses and commissioned him to go to Pharaoh and ask him to set the children of Israel free. Pharaoh would not obey Gods direction. No, Moses was not misdirected in what he did when meeting with Pharaoh. However, Moses did disobey God. You see. The Bible does not hide the warts of those who are called by God and who serve God. None of us are perfect.

“Rephrasing: is it your belief that Moses was defending, while Pharoah was attacking, and that is why Moses was good, and that is why Pahroah was bad?”

No, it is my belief in accordance with the Bible that Moses was doing what God asked him to do and Pharaoh opposed God.

Have you ever read Exodus? Have you ever read Genesis?

“What can be done, for example, if I run into more people who are being evicted from their homes, or if I run into more people who are being threatened by the IRS, or if, in fact, those people are me, and my family, and it may be a good idea to know better as to the origin of that POWER that arrives at the door demanding the very limited power I have left while I still walk this Earth.”

Invite them into your home and help them get on their feet, one at a time…like the nice lady in Clinton…both of the porch sitters are now working. She gave them a leg up after they were on the government subsidy their whole lives and when that ran out, a nice lady who loves the Lord Jesus Christ, gave them a leg up. Seems that when the mother got a job she was flagged in the system for hot checks. She had to go to court and it is all straightened out now. It is not a perfect story, but it is a true account of someone helping someone else on a personal level and making a difference.

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I appreciate your opinion

I do not agree with it.

For whatever reason you have been contacted by God to be born again, and I accept that, but I have not, so our paths are bound to be guided in different directions.

The person speaking says things, as in words, that are controversial for sure, and if you are claiming that the King James version of The Bible is the exact word of GOD, then I have to side with Frank on the "Houston there is a problem" because any word, and therefore any combination of words, can be miscommunicated, and therefore the presumption that anyone KNOWS precisely the meaning of GOD as GOD offers messages to human beings is, at best, a controversial belief.

But, and again, that is beside the point I was looking for help on, as it can be easily expected by me that you would automatically find fault with Frank for obvious reasons. My concerns concern real things that happen now in life on Earth, including any experiences that end up as a confrontation between a false authority in a Black Robe and anyone who may want to know better than to be victim to that person because that person, at best, is deceitful, and at worst that person is, in fact, a Devil Worshiper."

I have already covered this in great detail. Is that the King James Version of The Bible? Is that relevant to the information offered where the information offered measures the real, present, danger facing mankind right now?

I had considered looking into information concerning what may be incuplatory information on this King James individual, and now I am convinced of the need to, at least, look at that information.

I don't remember, so I can ask again, do you rely upon the King James version of The Bible for your knowledge, and understanding of the World of God as you believe that to be true?

"According to the Bible, Frank IS a FALSE PROPHET and if you seek help from him that is what you do."

No, you are not telling the truth. I seek help from you. You abdicate, and you send me to The Bible to find help. Which Bible?

Do you send me to the King James Version of The Bible? Please answer that question for me.

"But I can tell you without a doubt from a Biblical perspective that Frank is an Anti-Christ because he denies the only means of salvation who is the Lord Jesus Christ:"

Here is a point of contention. How many Anti-Christs are worthy of that authority, that title?

If you say one, then why does your sentence appear to suggest to me that you think there is more than one?

I ask, because I think that the question if vital, and valid, and therefore, as far as I am concerned, the answer has to be accurate or the answer is worse than no answer, since the answer is not accurate, and the answer is therefore, by that measure, a misleading answer.

You offer more words, from A Bible, and again I am at the point where I want to know, which version, so as not to have to rely upon my memory, and so as not to be mistaken, as to which version of the Bible is the version you copy and paste, or scribe, to pass the messages from the authors, through you, to me?

Is it the King James Version you site?

"If that is not the truth, then Jesus Christ is a liar because He declares himself to be the Only Begotton of the Father."

You do that, I do not do that, since to me the concept of hearsay has meaning, as in I do not know something that is beyond my power to know, so a statement that claims that I know something, when I cannot know that which I claim, is a false claim. If you do that, because you have been born again, and God told you that those words are true, then that is exceptional to the natural rules that I understand to be true. God never sent me any memos, at least not that I can cut and paste.

"Have you had a chance to look at John 3 again?"

OK, get this, if your version of The Bible is the King James Version, which it may be, or not be, then I need to look into the information that may accurately report on this King James person, and from that I may be led to believe that King James was a member of a Devil Worshiping cult, and if so, what am I to do, if not exactly what you are doing right now concerning the information offered by the Cult member you say is this Frank guy from Australia, who I have just heard about in the last week?

"Have you ever read Exodus? Have you ever read Genesis?"

Which version of The Word?

If you can't see things from my perspective, then you can't, and I can understand, since that is a well worn path I have traveled. I'm used to it by now.

"It is not a perfect story, but it is a true account of someone helping someone else on a personal level and making a difference."

More of that is the norm, and to me the exceptions are running the Money Monopoly Power, so who is to blame?

Everyone?

Joe