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    Liberty for the 1 spot and vote one of the socialists in the 2nd spot so that it can be a real debate.

    Food for thought...

    I have a few issues with Goode that are problematic: His view on closing the border until unemployment is below 5%, and as stated before, his stance on the drug war.

    My views align greater with Johnson in some instances, but I am getting sick of his rehearsed lines, and Goode's blunt style is quite refreshing. Personally, I could live with the drug war a little longer given the absolute change in direction his other policies would take the country, and I think I dislike Johnson's proposed tax policy even more than Goode's stance on immigration and drugs. Take that to the bank!

    Look, I'm not going to try and tell anyone how to cast their vote, but it is quite obvious that we could make more of an impact if we all voted in unanimity. I think it is damn near impossible to achieve this, but it would be marvelous if we could all voluntarily agree to choose one candidate, and run with it.

    Rocky and Jill have morally bankrupt ideas. ?Do they even economics?

    Do some research on Goode's

    Do some research on Goode's voting record. You'll then have more than a few issues with him.

    Nothing is set in stone. I'm

    Nothing is set in stone. I'm researching as we speak...

    It's an insult to one's

    It's an insult to one's intelligence this guy is who the CP picked to be their candidate.

    I'll help you:

    He voted for the Patriot Act TWICE.

    He voted for the MCA.

    He voted for the John Warner Defense Authorization Act.

    That's all off of vote-smart.org.

    The perhaps the most deplorable of these is (arguably) the second vote for the patriot act. When all the info came out afterwards about it he still found it acceptable to vote in favor of it a second time.

    What a swell guy.

    Too bad Chuck Baldwin wasn't their candidate again. He doesn't have this baggage.

    Update: he also voted for the

    Update: he also voted for the bill which created the TSA, the Aviation and Transportation Security Act.

    Virgil Goode 2012

    And Kony-killin', marriage-redefining, abortion-loving, bankrupt Johnson is a better choice?

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    Abortion loving? Grow up.

    Abortion loving? Grow up. If GJ is abortion-loving for taking the stance of being pro-choice up to 24 weeks than RP is abortion-loving for leaving it up to the states.

    And if Kony, two men or two women being legally bound to each other, and the finances of a candidate's campaign whom you dislike are the top issues which go toward determining who to vote for you have problems none of these candidates can help you with.

    But enjoy the police state, among others you have Goode to thank for it.

    Growing Up and Older by the Second

    What are your top issues? I should think foreign intervention, abortion, and marriage should be top priority. And, again, back to the issue of Ron Paul (which I have covered many times), his motives were to end abortion. Gary Johnson's aren't. Oh, but excuse me, I spoke to my "elder."

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    How is leaving abortion's

    How is leaving abortion's legality up to the states a step to ending abortion? That's his position and it's a principled one, but it's not a step toward ending abortion and he's nevertheless okay with that.

    Member for 17 days, so...

    What was your old username before you got banned?

    With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

    I joined 17 days ago, not

    I joined 17 days ago, not before. I voted for Paul in the primaries. I vote for Goode now.
    And what have I said that would make me banned? I guess everyone is allowed to speak but myself and Max (and we consistently get the worst "thumbs down").

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    17 days ago is just an unusual time to join this site

    So it stands to reason that you are a user who was previously banned and came back under a new name, but are now careful to avoid breaking the site rules. If I am in error, then I apologize.

    With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

    No problem. I had

    No problem. I had contemplated joining earlier (mainly because DailyPaul posts such good articles and videos, such as Ben Swann and Nigel Farage). After Ron Paul failed to get the nomination, I saw a post on Goode. I thought I'd give some vocal support.

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    Damn, that sucks. ..and yes

    Damn, that sucks.

    Mainly, my criticisms of Goode were confined to what I heard him say at tonight's debate. I hadn't looked deeply at him before. I guess it's my fault.

    ..and yes I agree, Chuck Baldwin, in the many times I've heard him speak, is a true friend of liberty. It's a shame he's not the candidate...

    Well, I guess I'm back onboard the GJ 2012 train!

    but, I still don't like Johnsons' tax policy.

    Good for you

    None of them are perfect; it's up to us as individuals to debate and learn and choose the best people who represent us. If everyone did that, the election would look mighty different.

    With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

    Gary Johnson's not squeaky

    Gary Johnson's not squeaky clean either. His support and actions should make a person wonder (for instance, opinion on Kony, running his presidential campaign into debt, etc....).

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    Virgil Goode 2012

    Moral views are why I'm voting Goode. He's the only 100% pro-life and pro-marriage candidate.

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    I don't particularly care for

    I don't particularly care for these positions Goode has taken. I'll give him one strike for the marriage view.

    I don't necessarily think anthing will change anytime soon concerning abortion, but like Johnson, I believe marriage equality, if it is going to remain a State sanctioned activity, should be a constitutionaly gauranteed right.

    My personal view is that of Ron Paul's, I think the government should just butt out of marriage altogether.

    Concerning abortion, I am in favor of the concept of eviction.

    pro-marriage?

    Hardly.

    He is for keeping government involved in the life choices of consenting adults. And I don't want or need government-enforced "morality" because everyone's moral compass is different. Ron Paul taught us so much; please don't forget it.

    With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

    Like Ron Paul said- look

    Like Ron Paul said- look marriage up in a dictionary if you want to know what it is- and it's between 1 man and 1 women. Homosexuals have the rights everyone else does- to marry a person of the opposite gender.

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    In a 2007 interview, Paul

    In a 2007 interview, Paul said that he supported the right of gay couples to marry, so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations. He also said, "Matter of fact, I'd like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it's a state function, I think it's a religious function." Paul has stated that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage. He has also said he doesn't want to interfere in the free association of two individuals in a social, sexual, and religious sense. When asked if he was supportive of gay marriage, Paul responded, "I am supportive of all voluntary associations and people can call it whatever they want."

    Goode is opposed to gay marriage and civil unions at the federal level. I cannot abide that stance as it is a civil rights issue that the federal government has no place treading.

    With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

    Virgil Goode 2012!

    It all comes down to morality.

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    And as a Catholic marriage is

    And as a Catholic marriage is a Sacrament between one man and one woman, period. Any tampering with that undermines society.

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    Then by all means vote for Goode

    Ranking him solely as a liberty candidate, I do not see him as remotely even in the same league as Ron Paul or even Gary Johnson. If morality is what you are voting on, then that is your choice, but too many of his views are anti-libertarian (drug wars, Patriot Act, immigration) and I cannot support him. Time for me to sleep...good night to you.

    With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

    Make marriage certificates more precise

    Make marriage certificates more precise

    "Certificate for potential to create new offspring".

    And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

    One downvote against reality.

    One downvote against reality.

    And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

    can't have post-menopausal women getting married

    It's amoral, right? Ron Paul says to lead by example as individuals. you do it your way and let other people be free to do it their way.

    With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

    Man does not have a right to

    Man does not have a right to practice grave error- that is why laws exist.

    "The Yankee is compelled to toil to make the world go around."
    -Admiral Raphael Semmes, CSN
    http://standrewsnews.org

    Oookay...

    I am just amused by Virgil Goode's accent and the way he talks. I like the guy, but his Drug Policy is a no-no

    Gary Did good, and Stein and Anderson are both out in my book.

    "Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

    Educate the masses, and win in the end.