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The Flu. What do you do?

Topic: Intentionally Induced Fever. Pros & Cons.

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Well, it's that time of year again. Here in my area, many people are coming down with the flu and since this seems to plague nearly all of us, I thought it's time to bring this topic up and see what other DP'ers do.

I got it now and I have been trying to prevent it with the usual rituals, i.e. keeping up on vitamins, stay away from crowds, staying warm, etc. BUT it still got me.

The symptoms have so far gone, and usually go, as follows:

Occassional cotton mouth, followed by stuffy nose, followed by head, then chest congestion. This normally goes on for 4 to 6 days.

Then all of that compounds with aches and pains with HIGH 102 to 106 degree fever and I sometimes pass out. After the fever breaks, I get well. I consider myself to be "above average health savey," but the bugs still bite me.

So now I am considering bitting the bullet by trying to induce a fever and maybe(?), n attempts to get over it.

So I'd like to get opinions about this technique from the "horses mouth". I know they used to do it more so in the olden days, but it wasn't something that was ever taught to me.

Since this seems a bit dangerous, I'd like to know more about it. Anyone here ever intentionally induce a fever or know anything about it?

Don't worry. So far, this isn't contagious online....

Thanks.

Disclaimer:
This post/thread is not asking for advice, nor is anyone to give it. This is strictly a discussion for people to get ideas to go over with they're trusted, licensed care provider ;).



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Re: Chicken soup

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Thanks aphrodite13

More on C.S.

Yes the stuff is great! Remember the anti-chicken skin movement some years back? A friend of mine who has researched that subject says that the reason chicken soup works so good is mainly because of some properties "in the skin".

Wouldn't suprise me at all.

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What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

I haven't had it for years,

I haven't had it for years, but last time I had it I bundled up at night until I was warm and sweated it out. Meaning 3 layers of clothing and 2 blankets. Woke in the morning all wet and just dandy.

But now my body temperature is chronically low, and I wonder whether it would be able to produce a fever.

Another bump for Vitamin D...it not available from the Sun, do..

it via ingesting cholecalciferol (Vit D3).

Also, if you had a recent flu...bingo! You already have a true, natural immunization (for the rest of the flu season). Like me...

Either way...no need for that pesky Big Pharma vaccine racket scam.

This will help.

A flea and a fly in a flue

Were caught, so what could they do?

Said the fly, "Let us flee."

"Let us fly," said the flea.

So they flew through a flaw in the flue.

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"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

LOL Citizen Dave! Laughter too...

...is great medicine.

I'm talking about the flea and a fly in a flue!

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Aspirin

and whiskey

More on vitamin D

Researchers conclude that vitamin D from sunshine helped reduce death rates.

There are two mechanisms whereby vitamin D can reduce the risk of death once the pandemic influenza virus infection took hold: reduced production of proinflammatory cytokines and reduced risk of bacterial pneumonia. The hormonal metabolite of vitamin D, 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, reduces the production of cytokines from T-helper 1 type (proinflammatory). 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D also induces the production of human cathelicidin, LL-37, which has both antimicrobial and antiendotoxin properties. LL-37 has been found effective in reducing the risk of several types of bacteria, and is also thought to reduce the risk of respiratory viral infections including seasonal influenza.

Cytokines storms are what we call flu symptoms. Vitamin D puts the brakes on the cytokine storm.

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Re: More on D

I guess I got the gest of that and cause of that, I think I'm gonna try up'n my D levels. Seems like all the doctaters got different ideas on how much? I just need to get A LOT more of that good stuff from my vet. Ran out fer a spell and started back up with that standard stuff which doesn't cover all the bases like Wallach'es.

Give me a D. Give me a P. What does it spell?

yeeeeah, I know. Bad pun dun......

Thanks again Paul!

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What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Dad got an Rx for 50,000IU as 7 day time release.

Sunshine without sunburn is the safest way to make high levels.

I like 1000 IU. I keep them and fish oils in freezer. When the nutritional addiction strikes, I grab what I need.

Thanks for the links, I'll take a look.

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What do I do?

I lay in bed with a six pack and a fattie. What do you do?

OOPS, Sorry.....

Sorry if anyone has posted something to me and I have not responded 10/24~25/12. I've gone to bed for a while. Will look at thread ASAP.

Thank you....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Flu': Antioxidants, particularly Vit C (in large enough amounts)

google Dr Thomas Levy. From 15+ years of intensive study he says the following (an more, of course -- just giving you the salient points):

- he has not encountered a disease or infection that is not pro-oxidant (robs surrounding tissue of electrons).
- antioxidants donate electrons into tissue.
- Vitamin C is the "king" of anti-oxidants outside the cells.
- Glutathione is the "king" inside the cells.
- some antioxidants target certain organs better than others (E.g. milk thistle targets the liver well)
- if you give enough vit C it eventually gets in everywhere.
- although some antioxidants turn pro-oxidant in their interaction with disease and infections the answer is MORE antioxidants to recharge the ones that went before and to address the excess of prooxidants not yet addressed.
- ENOUGH can mean 10 grams daily and upwards although you might get results at lower dosages.
- Levy points out that vit C is potentially less toxic than water.
- google Robert Cathcart regarding titration (gradual dosage increase) if you are concerned about the big pharma false data regarding "side effects" of diarrhea.
- Google Linus Pauling, Fred Klenner, Thomas Levy, Abram Hoffer regarding mega doses and benefits and lack of side effects (including lack of side effects like kidney stones as falsely disseminated by big pharma).

I have personally taken 20 -40 grams daily for 4 months during a detox from dental metals and now stay between 10 and 20 g daily as per Linus Pauling. The number of things that I fixed is long. I almost never get infections even though those around me do.

I agree. But Vitamin D is the anvil and C the hammer.

Vitamin C is water soluble and vitamin D is fat soluble. Sunshine turns cholesterol into vitamin D.

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Flu shots may prevent your

Flu shots may prevent your illness short term but reduce your immunity long term. It has happened over time and these have coursed through our veins. New conditions and diseases never heard of before are generated, by physiological and psychological, designed to enrich the pharmaceutical and medical industry. Home remedies, rest, and fluids are often best unless you are very young or very old. The best thing for a long life, stay away from doctors and pharmaceuticals, get enough exercise, eat right with natural and unprocessed foods as was intended, don't smoke or drink, get plenty of sunshine, and don't do stupid stuff.

Don't get the Flu shots!!! VACCINATIONS HAVE VIRUSES THAT CAUSE

They cause long term illness, DON'T DO THAT!! I'm not sure why you want to but get around people taht are sick.

Flu shots...

1) Give you the flu
2) Pump metals like aluminum and mercury into your body.

Bad news.

most people I know that get the shot

get the flu or get sick

105 of my classmates got the flu shot in the last few weeks

None of them got the flu.

How about the 105 that didn't get it.

It would be safer to inject water and collect the 5 bucks.

A benefit can't be proven. It's a matter of faith.

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It can most certainly can be proven.

We can test for the presence of antibodies in the blood stream. If people do not have the antibodies against certain flu strains before the vaccination, but generate them after getting a flu vaccine, then it proves that the vaccine did work on the immune system as intended.

If these people are then exposed to a live virus which they have the antibodies against, and they do not contract the active infection, then the flu vaccination worked (assuming a control group, which did not have the antibodies or vaccination, did contract the illness upon exposure.)

This is essentially how clinical trials are conducted. (But not as crudely as I described.)

Wait...

Putting a virus inside your body produces the necessary antibodies to fight that virus?

Interesting.

Wouldn't it also be true to say that if you tested someone who actually HAD the flu, that you would detect the same antibodies?

So, wouldn't a measure of healthiness be the absence of antibodies?

I can concur, in part.

Vaccines have been shown to produce antibodies.

Under the current model antibodies are needed to prevent infection.

That is a long way from proving that vaccines are even needed to prevent infections or create viable antibodies in the real world.

If one is willing to accept the model without clinical proof, then it's not science.

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I got a flu shot 2 weeks ago.

And did not get the flu. That claim was easily debunked.

I have never had the flu and

I have never had the flu and I have never gotten a shot.

I dont realy have much of a special diet though, nor much of a special life style. The only thing I have ever probably done different from most people is that I have always drunk fruit juice and for more than a few years now, I drink lots of dark grape juice.(yea, someone commented before worrying about sugar intake, bt I dont gain weight on it and I dont eat much junk food)

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

You can kill the flu in about

You can kill the flu in about 5-10 hours. Here is how I have done it twice - swine flu was one of them. This is not BS. First, when you get the flu your body runs a fever as an attempt to kill the virus. You do not want to bring your body temp down as many doctors try to do. You actually want to support your body's ability to run up your temperature - just as long as it doesn't reach sustained temps of over 108 deg F. That may cause brain damage. but this isn't likely.

Anyway, what I do is get one of those portable space heaters, the oil-based ones are the best because they are very safe and efficient. At the first sign of cold chills or other symptoms lay down in your bed or whatever and take a thick blanket and drape it over the heater (it will not catch fire or singe, not hot enough). So, you are laying in your bed and all that heat builds-up. Basically you want to go to sleep while this heater is warming you up - that is what I have done. You will wake up hours later totally wet, bed, etc. - soaking wet (make sure you drink plenty of fluids first). The fever, headaches, stomach, etc. will be gone in just a few hours but your muscles will still be weak for a day or so - but never been that big of a deal. Just make sure to follow up with fluids, vitamins, etc.

What this does is kill the virus and sweat it out. the virus will be stopped. Flu gone in about 5-10 hours. No BS here. I found this out on accident and have no idea why doctors are not aware of this.

Right ON Zachnap! Don't kill the fever!!!

I suggest lots of hot peppers: Jalepeno, Cayenne, even Habenero.

I eat a lot of hot stuff and since I've started doing that a few years ago I never get sick!

There are 2 reasons for that...

1. Peppers contain tons of Vitamin C
2. Peppers raise your body temperature which is the secret to killing bacteria and viruses.

Try it. Start eating RAW Jelapeno peppers.

I eat them with about everyhing that isn't sweet.

For example, if you like hummus on crackers, add some raw Jalapeno slices.

Or add them to some chicken soup.

These suggestions WILL do the trick. In fact it will probably keep you from ever getting the flu in the first place.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Hug a boiler

No kidding, my husband does that when he's sick. He'll go to work anyway (he works third shift and there's hardly anyone there), then every chance he gets, he'll stand fairly close to one of those metal melting ovens while they're on, or pretty much hug a boiler.

By time gets home, he feels so much better.

I'm not so adventurous. I sleep with a space heater in the room and a ton of blankets, but not with a heater under the blanket, that would definitely catch fire.

An electric heating pad however, or maybe a hot water bottle (I have also used when the room wasn't heating fast enough), might be a better idea.

I keep a water bottle near my bed. Sipping water throughout the day seems to be more effective as I'm not as likely to have to run to the bathroom so often.

Yeah, he probably hugs that

Yeah, he probably hugs that water heater because he is getting the chills. I don't know if a heat pad is enough. You really have to keep your temps up to the point your body is dumping heat through sweating. A little electric blanket or whatnot isn't going to do that.

Doctors are starting to catch on

My pharmacology professor was just talking about it today actually. (And he is old-school.)

It sounds very logical to me.

Even the part about

Even the part about burning your house down and/or dying from carbon monoxide poisoning?

Please don't anyone put a blanket over a space heater. Thanx.

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