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This Is the Daily P.Au.L, Not the Daily Paul

I have been looking over many post on this site over the last few months, seeing a lot of good post on the debates, news from the Liberty Crier, and even a bit of news on Ron Paul still. The problem I see is when people post something related to Gary Johnson or the other presidential candidates. Some of the comments I read made my stomach turn. Ron Paul's campaign ended back in August and some people want to vote for what they think will be the best option, so what's the problem?

People need to realize that this is the Daily P.Au.L. a site used to spread the message of Peace, gold (Au) and Liberty, not the Daily Paul where everything has to be Ron Paul related 24.7. If a member of this site supports a new candidate, that is there choice and I don't think anyone should go against that. To be so rude to a fellow liberty love not only makes yourself look bad, but it makes the Revolution look bad.

I don't know how many people are going to read this, but if you know or are someone being so rude simply because someone isn't going to write-in Ron Paul, I hope you can realize that this site revolves around more than one man, thing, or idea.

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Look at the URL it's the

Look at the URL it's the dailypaul

Get real

The DP wouldn't even be here without Dr. Paul.

http://www.dailypaul.com/files/images/ron-paul-2012b.jpg

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Some people on here...

seem quite desperate to get us all to shut up about Ron and let him "fade into the background". Ulterior motives much? You mad that Gary will never be half the statesman Ron is?

I don't play, I commission the league.

At least it's P.AU.L ...

and not the DailyJohnson.

Ron/Rand Paul 2016! Constitution Party 2016!

I haven't noticed that.

There are some DP'ers working on write in campaigns for Ron Paul and that is legitimate since the general election is in November. There are others working on the Gary Johnson campaign and since Tampa that is in my opinion also legitimate.

Before that I thought it was premature but Michael Nystrom seems to have made the move away from Dr. Paul before Tampa by renaming the site and fading the photo. This likely encouraged those Libertarians who also support Ron Paul to switch their efforts to GJ before Tampa and begin to promote him here. I believe that a lot of Ron Paul supporters who are not Libertarians took umbrage to that and personally I agreed with them.

Since then however the friction has died down a lot and everyone is settling on their own course of action. It seems pointless to draw attention to an issue that is fading like Ron Paul's photo.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I think the biggest hurdle for many RP supporters is......

even considering voting for anyone else other than the most honest man in politics.

It's like your spouse died and people are telling you to get over it, start dating again and they're trying to set you up with someone you don't find remotely attractive, then nag you to death about it.

I'm guilty of that.

It's too soon. Unfortunately, time is of essence. Regardless, people need time to heal, no use in trying to change their mind. Vote who you got to vote for and let the liberty chips fall where they may.

If Romney wins, it'll be 2020 before we get another Ron Paul opportunity. If Obama wins, maybe 2016.

I'm hoping enough people will help the LP get 5% so if we need to use that platform for the next Ron Paul opportunity in 2016, it'll already be established for ballots in every state and presidential debates.

If not, RP Republicans will have a lot of work cut out for themselves.

Interesting but how will you be able to make 3 copies of...

your ballot on election day unless you request a mail-in ballot. I know our polling station has paper ballots that are scanned. I don't think you're allowed to leave with your paper ballot.

It will be interesting to see how many RP write-in voters sent in their affidavit with their ballot.

Paul as in Ron Paul

The ONLY reason I came to this site was because of Paul as in Ron Paul. Now that I am here, because of Ron Paul-not because of this site, I know the difference between Liberty and Libertarian...it seems Libertarian can change with the wind, but Liberty is what it is.

That being said, I love this site and the many Liberty Loving Friends I have found here.

remove "P", = SAUL.

since the site has been re-named - may I suggest a reversion to the original name, i.e. SAUL. Some-how 'P' manage to slip in and added to the complications.

read as S AU L,
Salaam, Gold, Love.

'Peace' (contrary to the impression given) does Not mean safety, tranquil, amity, stability, or no-war, etc. It is not upright, nor level, but slant & oblique, = not stable or healthy.

Or Shalom.

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"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

SaLaMo AlaiKom.

+1, thanks David, I wanted to say Davod, then held back,- because we can only call by what we have been introduced to ,= as offered.

re Shalom, yes , the modern day hebrews say it in this way. I am not sure if it was used 2000 years ago.

Arabic and Hebrew both are semitic languages - with many similar words.

Last week I posted on DP the various words formed with the letters S_L_M.
More later. best wishes, & regards.

For what it's worth...

...I think that's a horrifically bad idea (especially in these times of anti-Muslim hysteria).

"Peace, Gold, Liberty" perfectly expresses the ideology of the Liberty Movement, while giving a well-earned nod to it's greatest champion.

Anyway, I agree with the OP, if the Daily Paul is going to remain a vital part of the Liberty Movement going forward, it cannot remain all Ron Paul all the time....and, for that matter, it's not. There's just a small but vocal minority who insists on shouting "No One But Paul" all the time, no matter how little sense that makes at this point.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Yeah Exactly

It can't be about Ron Paul (exclusively) because he won't be around for ever. Just as much as it can't be about Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin.

Wow, I just did that. I put Ron Paul in the same list as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. Yeah, that's pretty cool...

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re Peace.

+1, for the caution. your dislike is understandable, but canNot amend the post. I was /am under the impression that the name is revised to "p au l", distinct from "Paul". thanks - anyway. but the ~ ~

Edit, you added the last para later, explains well.

2nd Edit, = I noticed you also added =(especially in these times of anti-Muslim hysteria).
Once people realize that "Salaam" is the ancient & universal greeting, they will not resent it so much. This was the greeting of the Maseah.

Just to be clear...

...I wasn't trying to disparage Islam, I have no strong feelings about it one way or the other, and if we weren't living in a time of anti-Muslim hysteria, it wouldn't be a "horrifically bad" idea IMO, just not an especially good one. What makes it "horrifically bad" is the unfortunate anti-Muslim hysteria; we're already considered "weak on defense" because of our support for a non-interventionist foreign policy, we don't need to give those warmongers an importunity to say we're sympathetic to the alleged enemy (and, no matter how stupid this belief, many people do believe that Islam per se is the enemy). Likewise, if you were an anti-war activist in 1917, it probably wouldn't have helped your cause to write your message in German.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

(]:)> "anti-war activist"

+1. thanks, - like your post, & your observations are right. I want to type a little more - but not right now. best wishes, & regards

Anyone that is even thinking of voting Romney

in a swing state is automatically cast aside here. However, Obama liberaltarians who dis Romney 24/7 is embraced.....

Theres a double standard since this site has started to lean left...

Thank You!

I think people should be able to have their own thoughts here without fearing an attack by the people that are supposed to be for the same cause. How can we ever hope to fix the problems with this country if we can't even get along with each other?

skippy

I remember somebody posted an article about this exact thing

on another site, I should send you the link, but I'd probably be banned like so many others have been... Oh well. You are NOT alone in your views...

Banned? Really?

So now we have a DP police patrolling what people are allowed to say? What's the difference between that and the powers that be? Human nature sucks.

skippy

True story...

I couldn't believe it when I read it. Then I contacted the people in the story myself, and they confirmed it. Kinda makes me want to not come here all the time anymore, if you know what I mean. Ron Paul believed in the Voltaire "Fight to the death for the right for you to disagree with me" but the article is pretty damming exposing that fallacy on here...

Between reading that, and the 2nd campaign flop, I'm pretty much finished with politics altogether...

Maybe that is your problem, a

Maybe that is your problem, a couple of months ago, and we were still trying to get Ron Paul nominated on the floor. At least some of us were.

I was.

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The problem is people who

The problem is people who relentlessly push candidates on a community that formed around someone else. A large percentage of the community doesnt appreciate being turned into a captive audience for someone elses campaign. If the mistreatment of Ron Paul fans continues then the daily paul will lose its core support and thus its feasibility.

Too True

Well said.

skippy

I agree with you, but it also

I agree with you, but it also has to go both ways. There's a lotta disrespect on both sides. And sure, our values and principles should always come first, but we're all here because we admire a person who embodies those values so well. And many of us (myself included), owe much of our political enlightenment to Ron Paul. So to say we should stop centering our content around Ron Paul seems sort of silly to me. Yes, we should always look for leaders who live up to his standards and can push the liberty movement forward, but by no means does this mean forgetting him.

As for who to vote for, there are good arguments on both sides. As many have said, voting your conscience is never a wasted vote. I agree with you, we shouldn't be rude to anyone either way. Even if someone is voting for Romney/Obama, badmouthing them or putting them down will never lead to mutual respect or changed minds. This obviously doesn't mean we can't disagree...people are starting to see our side. Continue to speak the truth and people will listen.

I'm pretty sure most of the

I'm pretty sure most of the people here want the same thing (although there are definitely some on both sides who do not understand the message of liberty at all). Sadly, we bicker about the means to that end bitterly, and it has completely destroyed this movement. Unfortunately it's too late to be repaired. A new, completely disassociated leader will have to emerge, and that could take a decade or more.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

Paul Or We Fall 2012

Well then you'll have to change your name ;)

We're going to argue whether it is Paul, P.au.L or PauL?

This is what we think is important? Virtually everyone here came here to support Ron Paul, but the man is retiring. He was, and is, a great example of what we want in our politicians but he won't be around forever and we can't pin all of our expectations and hopes on him. It is time to move on and we can do that without forgetting Ron Paul and continuing to include him in the future of the movement. It isn't disrespectful to look for leaders elsewhere or to try and become leaders ourselves. Ron Paul would be the first to suggest exactly that.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

It isn't about the semantics.

It isn't about the semantics. It's about the fact that the person who OWNS this site (and yes, a website is PRIVATE PROPERTY, and people here OUGHT to respect that) purposefully changed the banner of the site to show that it was about more than just Dr. Paul, and yet people still troll every single thread about how this is supposed to be the Daily Paul, not the Daily [insert liberty topic here].

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us