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Has anyone thought about how they're going to function in their local/state Republican parties if Romney wins or loses?

I'm having a tough time with this issue.

1. Romney wins: We have 8 years of being surrounded by people who love & support him. Sure, we can work on our own local candidates & issues, but there are those meetings where everyone's just so happy they have President Romney, while you are holding your stomach to keep from heaving.

2. Romney wins: The next RNC Convention is a love-fest for Romney. No need to pony up thousands to make a stand for liberty there. I can assure you, Mittens will have no competition in the primaries/caucuses, nor will any competition be allowed. See the new RNC rules for selecting delegates to the national convention.

3. Romney loses: We will be blamed. You know it. How do we pick up the pieces? Those new rules passed at Tampa will HAVE to be changed before the next convention, otherwise, we're not going to be given a shadow of a chance to attend as delegates.

4. Romney loses: We have to have a candidate YESTERDAY! We need to find our candidate & get him/her out there NOW! This time, it HAS to be someone thoroughly vetted, who wants to win & has an accountable staff. No more Jesse Bentons, or anyone like him. No more pulling back after major wins. We need a candidate who is a dominating debator.

So, those are the things going thru my mind. Honestly, if Romney wins, I can't see myself investing much of my time in the party....

My only reason would be to elect more liberty Republican National Committeemen & Committeewoman. That is the ONLY way to get power in that party.

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Why does everyone assume

that if Romney wins that he will hold the office for eight years? It is not a given and if you say that because you think he is buying the election then what is the point in participating anyway?

But in answer to your question, it doesn't matter either way.

Agenda 21

I know this has something to do with the U.N. concerning the environment and is called "Sustainable Development". This was first signed by Father Bush, then Clinton and consequently Obama. I also know that Alabama is a State that voted against it. There is a website ICLEI (International Council for Local Environment Initiatives). I intend to look at that today. I read about it at the JBS website and The New American. My reason? This is something that people need to know about through local government all the way to the Governor.

We are in another war for our Independence.

SteveMT's picture

To quote Ron Paul "The party is irrelevant."

“It’s not my party. I don’t like politics at all. And I think both parties are Keynesian economists and both parties support the positions that I don’t like. So the party in many ways, is irrelevant.” – Ron Paul

Here’s the rest of the interview answers Ron Paul gave:

“First off, some of the delegates walked out – but alot of them were kicked out because they didn’t get seated although they had won fairly and squarely.”
http://www.chuckypita.com/ron-paul-to-republican-party-you-c...

Nowhere else to go, except to stay and fight.

If Romney wins the election, so what. I am a Precinct Delegate. I'm doing what the Libertarians should've done thirty years ago, co-opting the Republican Party. When I was first elected I was warned by the Ron Paul supporters to keep a low profile, which I have done. I now have a chance to serve on the county executive committee where I will have some input for party functions.

It's time for everyone to ignore the trollers and hunker down and begin the fight for control of the RNC by becoming a precinct delegate.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

In other words -- stop the bitching and do something about it. Begin by dismissing the obvious trolls and being very wary of the negative postings. If they're considering dropping out it is because they haven't got anything invested or are trolling to sow discord and doubt in the real Ron Paul freedom fighters. Losers bitch. Winners do something about it. Follow the leaders, not the sob sisters.

You can figure out what the word is even though DP has censored it.

It only takes one to KEEP AMERICANS FREE. Know your duties & rights as a juror. Stop the unconstitutional conviction of innocents in federal custody. The Fully Informed Jury CALL 1-800-TEL-JURY www.fija.org IMMEDIATELY if not sooner. It's that important.

Yes, I agree with you.

It is so very easy to become a precinct delegate. All you have to do is show up! I tell you if we had 20 more people show up to be delegates to our precinct conventions in my district that were followers of Ron Paul, we would have had a majority Ron Paul population to our state convention.

Love thy enemy.

Politics will NOT save you...

You want to waste your time while society deteriorates, go for it... Rand already sold you out. Romney already stole, beat and jailed you for participating. The Ron Paul campaigns fell apart both times, this one even sooner than the last one...

What is the point of all this, if it keeps the same corrupt people in place, and the new ones compromised to the point of irrelevance and/or obedience... like Rand for example.

I think your whole post is a

I think your whole post is a joke, because you're entirely focused on a worthless diversion- the presidental horse race. I mean, who cares anymore because hope for liberty in the oval office was done as soon as Ron Paul resigned. You should be focused on your local races, and if there's hope for the cause, at the state/congressional level as well.

Many local candidates are getting cooked because the liberty movement is so focused on this single, hopeless race and are not taking the fight local.... such as myself. I spent over $800 of ads on here, hoping to get the support of the Ron Paul base, and haven't gotten one iota because 99% Of people only care about "Romney vs Obama."

I know plenty of other candidates who are fantastic in their viewpoints and candidacies but without the backing of this national and hardcore base, we can't win.

But keep on thinking about Obamney, it will get us far.

www.peterson42.com

Garan's picture

Keep On Keeping On

The Republican party has and is changing, regardless of whether Romney wins or looses.

All you have is your power of influence.

Keep on going, regardless of anticipated adversity.

I doubt that I will.

I am waiting for a mid-November Ron Paul Legacy meeting in our district to make a final decision on whether to completely abandon the GOP at every level, or just at the national level.

Magna est veritas, et prevalebit. Truth is most powerful, and will ultimately prevail.

My local party

is completely falling apart. It is pathetic. They have run out of money, have bills unpaid, and cannot even pay their help. The exec committee quit because of all the BS and the blindies are like, so what do we do??

It is a pitiful sight I must say. For me, I think I will be looking at starting a Libertarian chapter in my county. I like the idea of taking over the Reps, but it is to far gone, and they really do not like us anyways. So there it is for me. :)

That sounds ripe for a take over...

Why re-create the wheel? If your local R party is in such total disarray, then take command of your local party organization and send liberty minded people up to the state level.

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"The more laws we make, the more snares we lay to entrap ourselves."
- Sir Francis Bacon, Nov. 1, 1601

Romney is not going to lose, though.

Two months ago I would have agreed, he was a sinking ship. However, as of right now, less than 2 weeks out, and from my porch here in Central Ohio, Romney will win Ohio possibly by 4-7 points. So many Democrat crossovers its almost impossible ,in my view, of an Obama victory.

I tried to get the Obama losers at Ohio State to get on with Gary J....but they are vicious. Went to a Romney rally, totally different reception.

Rand-Demint-Lee-Cruz may very well get their budget passed and signed with Romney....hopefully.
2016 is the year of Rand or third party if Romney blows it. I will not forgive or forget in 2016.

Before then, lets get Lindsey Graham kicked out in 2014.

Also, Colin Powell sucks.

That's an easy one...

I'M NOT!

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

Qutting the party, is exactly what they want you to do.

The party regulars said we were new comers to the party who would not stick around past the Ron Paul campaign--that's why they marginalized us. All you're doing by quitting now is proving they were right.

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"The more laws we make, the more snares we lay to entrap ourselves."
- Sir Francis Bacon, Nov. 1, 1601

C'est la vie

I don't give second thought to leaving Their Party. Their Leaders are inept and can only imagine Centralized Planning as the Solution to any problem, especially the ones they caused.

Centralized Planning is what got us into this mess. The Dems feel compelled to Centrally Plan us in some ways, and the Repubs feel compelled to Centrally Plan in other ways. Many times they achieve 'Bipartisanship' and both agree on the way to Centrally Plan us. I shudder every time I hear the word used.

You cannot use what got us into the mess to get us out.

They marginalized 'us' to get away from having to face us. Ad hominem and marginalizing are favorite tools of those who don't know what they're talking about. They are Keynesians. Dr. Paul was asked sometime ago in an interview if he felt like he was running against Obama or the Republican Primary candidates. He responded that he felt like he was running against Keynes because all of them are Keynesians. Central Planning, Keynesian, Marx, Bush, or Obama is the issue and will remain no matter which Keynesian (Romney too) wins.

In any event, no need to harp. I'm making my future in the Libertarian Party. If you all can change the Repubs, I'm sure we'll have much to work on together.

I joined to vote for Ron Paul...

... and before doing so I had nothing but disdain for both major parties. I saw through the lies and fraud a long time ago. Based on what I what I saw this time around only confirms that neither party is legitimate or worth saving.

They control this so-called democratic voting system and it's a disgrace. It would be laughable if it wasn't so disgusting.

You do what you feel is best and I wish you and those who still believe the "Republican" party can be saved the best of luck. As for me, I will cast my last vote this year and continue spreading the word of truth, justice and liberty to anyone who will listen.

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

Just Power comes from Consent

whether it be a Party Or Government.

By participating in the Republican Party you are giving your Consent to its Top Down Leadership Agenda. Your Consent, which has no limitations in such a Party, gives them the Power to Wage Wars, Ignore Sound Money, Ignore the Bill of Rights, and ignore YOU. All in YOUR Name, with YOUR assumed Permission.

I joined the Libertarian Party to restrict what my Consent can be used for. My Power is closer to home and will be used to further my community's Fiscal and Moral Independence.

Staying with the Republican Party is nothing less than staying with a Spouse who regularly CHEATS on you, CHEATS you out of your Labor, places you in danger, openly puts you down, slanders you, and generally thinks little of YOU.

The Two Party System is a Duopoly whether Libertarians control it or not. Monopolies, Duopolies, and Oligopolies are terrible for Innovation and all but rid themselves of Healthy Competition.

If you want to compete against the Republican Leadership for the direction of YOUR future, YOU CANNOT do it within THEIR Party and THEIR Rules.

You are of course free to continue to try. Do not be upset or confused when you fail. Just quickly seek another means to securing YOUR own futures.

Amen!

I hear ya, Secular Tea!

Just think about how Ron Paul felt for 30 yrs all alone!!

1. Undermine him. From what I have witnessed within the party they like to celebratize these people so rarely are there any issues discussed, but you can still point out blatant hypocrisy when it occurs. One of Romneys first acts will be to raise the debt ceiling. I just try to stay focused on the real issues and when they are all blabbing about the latest non-issue I let a lot of things slide.

2. Good point, but hat's a looong way away. A lot can happen, no sense in worrying ourselves about that now.

3,4 Don't worry about these, romney is going to win.

Personally I have tied no goals of political gain to my involvemnet with the GOP. I just use it as an avenue to try to spread the idea's of liberty. I think we need to stop trying to win political victories and focus on winning minds.

If Romney wins, his "methods" become "the way"

Every dirty trick the Romney campaign pulled becomes "the only way to beat democrats" and it becomes canon in the GOP. All this "become a PCO/delegate" crap becomes meaningless when at any moment some operatives step off a plane and rules get changed in the backrooms at the last minute. The RNC will always be able to to just take the bankster/baby-raper pick and force it at any time.

If he loses, we get all the blame, but at least we get to enjoy the taste of their tears, even the fake ones from Glenn Beck.

You seem to assume that just because we vote for Romney

that we're all going to be thrilled with him when he's elected president. Voting for Romney in no way diminishes our resolve to get Tea Party candidates elected to Congress and state legislatures and ultimately turn the GOP into the Tea Party. The Romney enthusiasts are mainly just the partisans and they're the kind that if you help people from their party beat Dems, they don't much
care what you think of Romney.

You need to compare notes

You need to compare notes with your fellow Romney supporter, Granger, becaues she has been portraying him in almost heroic terms lately. If you can sleep at night, more power to you. I'd keep having nightmares about all the children his policies will kill and my part in making it happen.

Oh, brother!

The United States' foreign policy is going to indirectly cause children in Iran to lose opportunities to get medicine they need and possibly food regardless of whose in the White House at this point. The sanctions are in place by Congress. Even if Ron Paul were elected president, he could not repeal them by himself. Laying off blockading and sanctioning other countries is an ideological battle that will be won or lost with our members of Congress, not the president.

Well....you could rationalize

Well....you could rationalize it that way if it helps you. I only control what I do. If I ACTIVELY support somone who supports policies which lead to drone killings of childrend and other innocents, I bear partial responsibility.

The Tea Party was taken over by Neocons

or at least the warmongerers. I don't want to support the Tea Party either. I don't see much difference between them and the GOP establishment except in what they want to spend money on.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

The Tea Party is not

a top-down, centrally-controlled organization. A Tea Party group in Illinois may consist of Conservatives who have quite different beliefs on major issues than a Tea Party group in say, Georgia or Arizona. Your local Tea Party is what the people who take the time to join and influence it make it. Fiscal Conservatism is the loose band the holds the TP together, but, how fiscally Conservative, well, that depends on how much help people like me get from people like you.

But, whether patriots like yourself participate or not, I see the TP as the ONLY grassroots organization capable of pushing either one of the two major parties in a Constitutionally, Conservative direction.

That is how it was intended to be

But as the poster before me said, "The tea-party has been hijacked by neo-cons" If you haven't paid attention to neo-con talk radio and their massive shift towards the liberty movement (Ron Paul's movement) since Obama got elected, then idk what to tell you. It was especially amusing when the "tea party" ravenously turned on Ron Paul himself, the "Godfather" of the tea party. That and Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh/Levin etc etc etc, all promote the "tea party". Whenever those guys grab ahold of something and pervert it, you can bet it is no longer grassroots...

"I am Troll fighter, number one"

-Ernest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWb-ViejPg

Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levin

will jump on board with anything that they feel advances the Republican Party. Since the Republican Party is the more fiscally Conservative of the two major parties, the TP people primarily use the GOP to run in when they run for office. Levin is really the only one of the three who is an ideological Neoconservative, the other two are just party hacks.

Beck on the other hand is a genuine Tea Partier. Unlike the others you mentioned, he actually has some serious understanding of classic liberal government, the Constitution, banking, and economics in general. Just because Levin, Hannity, and Limbaugh promote or speak well of the Tea Party does not mean they're "taking over" the Tea Party. On most economic issues, the Tea Party and those windbags do have common ground, so, it's understandable that they would be complimentary of the TP.

And even with all of Beck's enlightenment

He still didn't endorse Ron Paul. Quite the opposite in fact- he bashed him. And then declared Sarah Palin to be the "Next George Washington"...Just because he can memorize Ron Paul's talking points doesn't mean he genuinely endorses liberty or believes it. He tried really hard to steer people away from the one man who actually exemplifies what he, Glenn Beck talks about. And if you had watched GB before he moved to Fox, you'd know that he never said a peep about the Constitution, freedom/liberty, gold or sound money or even economics really. His giant "shift" if you will, occurred after Obama took office and Ron Paul's popularity was exploding.

"I am Troll fighter, number one"

-Ernest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWb-ViejPg

I get it... either way we lose

But that is only on the political level. Our most important job is to educate as many drones as possible about liberty. We are going into a very very dark period where the vampires of power will be having a field day. The system is rigged, just do the best you can with your own sphere of influence whether you are inside of a party apparatus or not.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson