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Has anyone thought about how they're going to function in their local/state Republican parties if Romney wins or loses?

I'm having a tough time with this issue.

1. Romney wins: We have 8 years of being surrounded by people who love & support him. Sure, we can work on our own local candidates & issues, but there are those meetings where everyone's just so happy they have President Romney, while you are holding your stomach to keep from heaving.

2. Romney wins: The next RNC Convention is a love-fest for Romney. No need to pony up thousands to make a stand for liberty there. I can assure you, Mittens will have no competition in the primaries/caucuses, nor will any competition be allowed. See the new RNC rules for selecting delegates to the national convention.

3. Romney loses: We will be blamed. You know it. How do we pick up the pieces? Those new rules passed at Tampa will HAVE to be changed before the next convention, otherwise, we're not going to be given a shadow of a chance to attend as delegates.

4. Romney loses: We have to have a candidate YESTERDAY! We need to find our candidate & get him/her out there NOW! This time, it HAS to be someone thoroughly vetted, who wants to win & has an accountable staff. No more Jesse Bentons, or anyone like him. No more pulling back after major wins. We need a candidate who is a dominating debator.

So, those are the things going thru my mind. Honestly, if Romney wins, I can't see myself investing much of my time in the party....

My only reason would be to elect more liberty Republican National Committeemen & Committeewoman. That is the ONLY way to get power in that party.

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Does your loyalty oath

Does your loyalty oath require you to post 100's, if not thousands, of comments about how you are going to vote for Romney? I have never in my entire life seen someone repeat themselves over and over and over and over and over again the way you do. Nobody can hardly read a post without you joining in for your broken record comments. Why you feel the need to tell all of us you are going to vote for Romney every single day, multiple times a day, is beyond me.

But I don't repeat myself

I evolve as I learn.

now that's funny...i don't care who you are, that's funny

all you do is come on here and repeat your same establishment shill, illogical, inane, argument over and over and over and over.

you've been called a liar on dailypaul many times, but this is the craziest of all your lies.

you may evolve as you learn, but you don't ever seem to learn anything. let me make it simple for you.

a romney win empowers Ron Paul republicans about as much as central bank controlled economies empowers free markets...it just don't make sense.

Each person must reach their own conclusion on who to vote for

I am totally on board with you on being involved in and cleaning up the GOP. I just happen to disagree with you on how we do it. I do not believe that the GOP will feel a need to clean up their act if we reward their worst candidates. A Romney win is confirmation to the party that they do not have to behave.

I too took an oath, but mine was not to a party. My oath was to our Constitution. My personal belief is that "loyalty oaths" to parties merely adds to the downfall of the nation. George Washington warned against allegiance to parties because that loyalty would supersede loyalty to the Constitution.

Having said that, since we do not have the "perfect" candidate in this race, it is up to each one of us to determine who they will vote for and why. We each have our own reasoning, and we should all respect each others right to that reasoning.

I don't see it as a reward

I see Romney winning as an opportunity.

Obama wins we spend the next two years working on the next election. I don't know about you, but I have to ask what the CAGOP is doing running Emken against Feinstein. On the ballot will be Feinstein and Emken. Emken likes to say, "I am not Diane Feinstein", "Diane Feinstein won't debate me". She's lucky Feinstein won't debate her. So what's with the GOP putting up someone like Emken who is no contest to Feinstein? That's the best this party can do? Is this the result of corruption through back room deals rather than Roberts Rules of Order and the Constitution?

Romney wins, we soend the next two years finding unconstitutional flaws and pitching them to Rand, Amish, Dennis (Good Luck) or any of the Liberty candidates running in congress and senate who can get traction. I think it's rEVOLutionary and I like the idea of working to restore the Republic by taking on Romney in our own party.

I think the elections are rigged and something else we need to clean up..

I would think "taking an oath"...

to destroy your own nation, would be an embarrassing weakness, NOT to be shouted about as some sort of virtue.

Well... unless you're spreading propaganda, attempting to coerce people into supporting a LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE, WAR-MONGERING, CHEATING, LYING, OPEN-BORDER, CONSTITUTION-SHREDDING party like the democrat/republican (same thing) party... by FALSELY positioning the support as a noble act to be proud of.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

How do you plan to hold Romney accountable?

Isn't that what we tried to do at the RNC? How did that work? Some of us apparently need reminded, well here it is:


And how on earth do you ever plan to nominate a liberty canidate with the new RNC rules!?

I think Rand Paul is doing well

I think Rand could get the nomination.

with the new rules?

I have some oceanfront property Arizona for you!

We should be ready the next time

Ot's all about learning and materializing the message to restore the republic.

next time being?

2016 or 2020?

and again with the new rules how exactly will you "be ready"

If Romney is selected

That gives us the opportunity now to hold him to his loyalty oaths.. What we need are a list of unconstitutional campaign debate promises.. that should be difficult, so by January, I'd say we could be ready to hold Romney to the constitution.

you ignored my question

your response has nothing to do with what I asked, this is pointless

Next time?

What is wrong with right now? Is Romney promising to break constitutional laws? Shouldn't he be held accountable by inaugeration? Son't we deserve to fight back all the time?

and if he ignores you?...

like you are doing to me, then you do what?


Why would he pay any attention to me? I would hope that he would pay attention to the members in the GOP who want to restore the republic, and I hope that Rand will be leading that charge, and that he would not be ignored.

I am not ignoring you. I am respinding with answers you may not appreciate, but they are my thoughts on the subject of restoring the republic in the GOP.

Rand is doing exactly as expected.

Bashing democrats. OMITTING that republicans DO THE SAME THING. And working to get MORE ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE in place.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Democrats deserve to be bashed, and he is bashing Romney

and he is knitting people with major differences together for liberty. We need more Rand Paul's.

He has lost more than he gained among people I know

RON Paul lost a LOT of support between 2008 and 2012 here. Idahoans are sick of being touted as such a great "Liberty State" when we know that our state officials are corrupt to the core. Around here, people are not afraid to object to Israel running the US government (and commanding our military.) People are not afraid to say "9-11 needs an investigation." RON Paul lost support for not standing with his grassroots and pandering to the MSM.
I do not know one person who supports Rand Paul. Sorry, but until they make TRUTH a top priority, they will lose the support of people who are sick of the lies.
I had really high hopes for Rand, thought maybe he would forge ahead where his father pulled back. Instead, he proved to be a mealy-mouthed coward, willing to spit in the face of liberty lovers to make friends with.... Romney.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

It was never about RON Paul

It's about the message to restore the republic to constitutional government protecting our bill os rights.. Ron Paul chose the GOP for many good reasons, not that it would be easy, but that materialising the message could be possible.

However much support RON Paul lost between 08/12, he gained the right kind of support to have a show down at the RNC because RON Paul had way more delegates in 12 than 08. Grassroots grew very quickly to astroturf and people joined the GOP and got involved with their GOP, and not everyone wants to do that.. but those who want to help Ron Paul's message get materialized will continue to have that project for the next two years.

They are not going to make truth, that's up to us.

The GOP has individuals and people who have issues, not all agree with each other, and why we have 10 Republican's debating for nomination. Politically you need to build alliences with others where you can, and since our bottom line is constitution, and oath keepers, tea partiers, palin earthquakers like the idea.. Rand is forging ahead because he is getting MSM attention which is something we wanted when we all watched you tubes of the censorship of RP in MSM.


no, he's "knitting people together" FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT GOP.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

How much success...

have you had with holding Obama to his oaths?

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

I'm not a Democrat


I'm confused...

So, because Obama is a D, his lies are excusable? Which "hold their feet to the fire" tactic could NOT be applied to Obama?

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Know any Democrats willing to hold Obama?

I don't.

As a Republican I'm willing to hold Romney to the Constitution..

What don't you get?

Why aren't you working in hilding Obama to the constitution?

"hold Romney to the Constitution..."

HOW! Specifically HOW! HOW!

And give me EXAMPLES OF THIS "holding" technique WORKING! West? Bachmann? Rubio? Bush? Boehner? McConnell?

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

By writing resolutions

Ron Paul writes resolutions, so the idea is to write resolutions about how the constitution applies or doesn't apply to a Romney campaign or debate promise, have it distributed throughout the GOP, get congress, someone like Rand to read it on the floor, and to not stop, but with every action, or lack of action, Romney's presidency should be addressed in constitutional terms.

And why should it come from the Republicans who he, and the criminlas in the GOP's RNC lied and cheated, robbed and mocked? They hold us to a loyalty oath to party, and why wouldn't we hold them to the loyalty oath of the constitution we all take?

Maybe people are too angry and hurt to see what opportunity we have in using Romney as an education tool for the constitution. It's not just about elections, as to me it doesn't matter who is president, it matter that they care enough about the constitution to live up to their oath they freely took.

I hope you saw how well we did at the RNC despite the cheating, fraud, shenannigans.. MSM could have made a big deal out of what we did, but they didn't and that is because we are winning.

We are the future.

A friendly bet?

Rand will not read your resolutions. Rand will not "stir the pot" when the recipe calls for it.
We had tremendous "success" in Idaho in 2008 - got a "Sound Money" resolution passed. It is still part of the state platform, and yet.... The one man who tried to take it from resolution to law is now a Democrat - the RP supporters shunned him for being "on the fringe" while they were trying to earn a reputation. RP supporters actually ran a RINO against him to take his PCP seat.
They have a reputation with me now. "Traitor."

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I bet Rand will

I bet you haven't read RON Paul's books. I admit I haven't read Rand's books.. will do for Christmas.

If your friend who wrote the sound money resolution was a Democrat, he is not in the fringe.. maybe in the Democratic Party, but RON Paul was looking for republican delegates, so how does your friend fit? Democrat is not grassroots. You may be, but party is not.

My friend was a Ron Paul Republican

He was a key player in North Idaho, sat on the county and state central committees. The other Ron Paul supporters thought he was giving them a "bad name" with his push for a state bank, so they unseated him and drove him to the Democrats. Please look at my thread about "Ron Paul supporter 4 years after getting elected."
That guy is one of the ones who ran my friend out of the party.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.