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ObamaCare: Employees Working 30 Hours per Week Considered 'Full-Time'

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/24/ObamaCare...

Employers who had planned to use more part-time workers to avoid higher costs associated with the mandate will need to rethink this strategy if the law is not repealed.

The pertinent section (1513) of the law reads as follows:

(4) Full-time employee

(A) In general

The term “full-time employee” means, with respect to any month, an employee who is employed on average at least 30 hours of service per week.

(B) Hours of service

The Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Labor, shall prescribe such regulations, rules, and guidance as may be necessary to determine the hours of service of an employee, including rules for the application of this paragraph to employees who are not compensated on an hourly basis.

This little-known section of ObamaCare defines “full-time” work as averaging only 30 hours per week, rather than 40 hours.



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i suppose to an obama supporter

30 hours IS full time.
glad i can work 60 to make up the difference.
usa usa usa

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

I don't see why you choose this to pick on

There are many problems with ObamaCare. Considering 30 hours a full time job isn't one of them.

Oh, but it is one of them.

Oh, but it is one of them.

If for no other reason why I argue it is something to complain about, that dictate affects my employment.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

No it doesn't. It would take

No it doesn't. It would take more than this to change the law on what point overtime hours start at, and I'm pretty sure it's not even a federal decision.

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"Vice" vs. "Virtue"

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.

The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

-- Winston Churchill

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

How to achieve vice or virtue but not both

The way to live the former insight is one person on one person voluntarily without an uninvited and agree-to third party.

The way to live the second insight how we have been living, through coercion in which case a third party has participated often without invitation and consent from both parties.

Note: I prefer the free market to the free enterprise system and to capitalism. The FES and capitalism environments connote, if not convey, collectivism with an undercurrent of coercion. Mind you, I have nothing wrong with collectivism when its members come together on their wills.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

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The only reasonable bounds to collectivism beyond which it fails

"Mind you, I have nothing wrong with collectivism when its members come together on their wills."

I hear you. Like... and up to some extent... in one's family ?

Absolutely. I'm a big collectivist, there : I redistribute/reinvest/consume everything of my income for my family, spare some REAL money savings, and keep a tiny fraction for my personal errands and projects. Oh, and nobody is allowed to create any debt, just a balanced budget on the given or adjusted income.

But beyond that, letting bureaucrats middle men I know not from Adam or Eve, located in DC, redistribute MY MONEY, with greasy hand shaking with Goldman Sachs, Bain Capital, or Bank of America, or Lockheed ?

Er... Thanks,

BUT NO, THANKS !

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

So many of those that are

So many of those that are barely getting by on 40 hours a week will get their hours cut to 29.75 per week now AND be forced by their kind government to buy their own health care out of pocket! Oh how fun!

It could be good. It's not

It could be good. It's not like they suddenly don't need the workers. They'd have to hire new people rather than pay overtime. It would take a bit, but wages would raise to reflect the new standard.

There are definitely far worse parts of ObamaCare.

Simple solution:

Hire less employees. Work them harder.

This will do wonders for the unemployment rate. But no worries.

Government has a genius plan in reserve:

Lie with the numbers, charts and statistics.

Then the problem doesn't exist. See?

You're all imagining it. The green shoots are thriving.

Go back to sleep.

Which 'rocket surgeons'

Which 'rocket surgeons' exactly came up with this part of the ill-conceived law?

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Well spotted.

Well spotted.

Plus :

by expanding the base to people working 30 hrs instead of 40, you also expand the base of ObamaMARX KleptoCARE TAX SUBJECTS. Need details ?

Help yourself :

http://www.dailypaul.com/259832/a-guide-to-obomneycare-what-...

WIN - WIN for gov't.

So... what's up, slaves ?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

...what's up, slaves? Not

...what's up, slaves?

Not much. Most things are going down. I'll let you know if things change direction, though.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

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Hmm... I sure didn't mean my sarcasm to hit people in our camp.

Hmm... I sure didn't mean my sarcasm to hit people in our camp.

Sorry if I did. :/

I find these schemes so outrageous, my expression may sometimes be over the top, I reckon.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

That's OK, buddy. I was just

That's OK, buddy. I was just talking with two meanings: One, to be funny and the other to be serious.

1) =D

2) :|

(ok, back to being funny: =D)

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Oh, my

As soon as large businesses discover this, they will have to cut workers down to 20-25 hrs./week. More damage done to Americans due to inept lawmakers, or else businesses fire all workers and invite them back as independent contract labor. That would be another way around this mess.

Interesting tactic. Do you

Interesting tactic.

Do you know if taxes are less onerous for the independent contract laborer than they are for the employee?

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I spoke from the perspective

I spoke from the perspective of the business owner.

I've been a contract laborer numerous times. I was responsible for my own hours, insurance and negotiating the contract.

The lazy days of simply "showing up to collect a paycheck" are fast disappearing. People will need to incorporate and represent themselves as their own business to get anything done in the near future. On the upside, people should be more conscientious or their contracts will simply be terminated. Everyone will be an "at will" employee.

They are more onerous

because the independent contract laborer is responsible for the entire portion of the Social Security payroll deduction, while employers are required to share this cost with actual hired employees.

Thank you, Law.

Thank you, Law.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.