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Whatever happened to the Lawyers for Ron Paul lawsuit and that dude who called himself the lawyer(s)?

Just curious




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Richard Gilbert?

He died. After loosing the the case in the 9th District Court of Appeals. 'I think'.

The original "case"

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/what-we-do/election-fraud/

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

Ah yes, "Richard Gilbert," he was an odd duck, wasn't he?

By all appearances nothing but a run-of-the-mill (if rather inept) flim-flam artist, but I always wondered if he might have been spooked-up. His game struck me as exactly the kind of weird $hit they're into. While I'm on the subject, I find a number of fringe elements hanging around the liberty movement more or less equally spooky.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

You and me both

I have the same suspicion!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I'm curious about whether you think

that a lawsuit at the time -- by a competent attorney -- might have been worthwhile. I'm no lawyer but it did seem at the time like something could have been attempted. With that in mind what stood out about Gilberts was the timing. He showed up just as that sentiment in favor of a lawsuit was building, and then a few vocal people shouted down anyone who tried to point out the huge red flags about Gilberts (and there were some doozies, just based on what could be found about his prior cases). Suddenly that was "the lawsuit" and attempts to suggest that finding a competent attorney might be a better idea were denounced as trollish. So whatever might have been done with a competent attorney, if anything, was thwarted.

the Ron Paul campaign considered it

or at least I vaguely remember seeing a video where Ron Paul said that at the time. I think that only the campaign itself could have dealt with the macro issues effectively. Individual delegates may have been able to deal with things piecemeal through the courts. I wish it had been attempted if only for us to know whether it had a chance to begin with.

I don't want to deride Gilbert's competence at all, rather, the whole concept of what he was doing, and the way it was being marketed and presented to the liberty movement didn't seem to be highly accurate or likely to lead to success. Looking at one of the links in this thread, he made a lot of claims that he was being settled with by various states, and wouldn't explain himself readily when asked how that was possible. Who knows what his intentions were, but it just didn't pass the smell test, whether he was competent or not.

I'm not sure why a suit wasn't pursued by the campaign. I think ultimately, if you are running as a Republican, the Republican party has a lot of power. Also, things were moving fairly quickly at that time and though I don't remember the exact timeline, it seems that shortly thereafter there was the announcement that Ron Paul would not be actively campaigning in certain states.

While I have no firsthand knowledge of anything it "seemed" to me that a plausible explanation for the backing off on the campaign, and the not fighting the Republican party machine harder (whether by lawsuit or otherwise) all came about at around the same time, and that there may have been some off the record intimidation or dealings that can't be refused, so to speak.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

If competent isn't the right word

then maybe a "more conventional" attorney is the right way to look at it, because Gilberts claimed to have a plan that involved filing things deliberately that didn't respond to what the judge was asking for and so on and thought he was seeing several moves ahead of the judge. Maybe Gilberts could have done it the conventional way of actually responding to the judge's demands but chose not to, and maybe he really did have some plan in mind that made sense to him. But when that happened it sure did look like the whole thing was doomed to fail, deliberately so or not.

just not very practical

he has a small practice, not a large firm, and as such I don't know how well suited he was to litigating the issue just for that reason. On the other hand, IF he thought it could be successful, he perhaps also thought someone "had to do it" but I'm just speculating, at least to some extent.

It just seemed a bit grandiose and improbable, was my main objection. But that also could be said about the Ron Paul campaign.

The difference being that, a campaign that seems improbable can sometimes be quite successful. In 92 the economy crashed halfway through Bush's campaign and a little known governor from Arkansas suddenly became the next President. Who knows what would have happened if the 2009 bank failures and mortgage crash would have happened a couple of months before the 2008 (or 2012) elections? It could have made Ron Paul look like a genius even to the doubters.

But things rarely happen the same way in a court of law, which is bound by procedures and precedents, and not just opinion. And Gilbert as a lawyer knew that.

so perhaps not the most practical approach...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I appreciate that perspective

He certainly didn't shy away from the big cases, like trying to split California into two states. And I do hope that all the stuff about the planet Nibiru and blimps in outer space was just an elaborate joke.

Richard Gilbert helped us vent; which is 100 times...

anything Ron Paul and his official legal team did for us.

How many of you complaining about Richard Gilbert and the "Lawyers for Ron Paul" support Rand Paul, who "enthusiastically endorsed Mitt Romney, the night his father announced he could not win the GOP nomination?" What does that say about you?

I still get invaluable links to articles from Porter Davis, one of the "Lawyers for Ron Paul," and I am proud to call Porter a loyal "Facebook Friend".

Meanwhile, Rand feeds at the public trough and Ron sells channel subscriptions, mouthing the same old "Someday, it will all collapse..." cliches to the "true believers; and, continues to promote Rand, when he made it VERY clear he would BOT vote for Ralph Nader, Jesse Ventura and left Gary Johnson "twisting in the wind," because he disagreed with their views on either economics or abortion.

I would not support EITHER Ron or Rand for POTUS under ANY circumstances, as I am convinced neither has enough character to be worthy of the Ron Paul supporters who risked their "lives, fortune and sacred honor" to become Ron Paul delegates.

He did?

If there's one thing Ron Paul followers are good at, it's venting.

He came out of nowhere, saying he's going to file a lawsuit against the Republican Party, to "take over" a campaign he's not a part of, so that it will start doing things the way he wants the campaign to act. It makes no sense on the surface, much less on closer examination.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Why not? The traitors and cowards in the official

Ron Paul campaign were not doing anything. Gilbert may have been a putz, but most of the "Lawyers for Ron Paul" members were trying to accomplish something positive, not bitching or slandering as so many of the present "sunshine patriots" on this website are doing.

everyone is entitled to their opinion

I have no idea what a sunshine patriot is, but I do think that the matter, having been a part of a Presidential campaign, is fair game for public discussion and comment, per the First Amendment.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

A Good Weekend to Reminisce.

Yeah...remember?

http://youtu.be/DZrSygtr1tE

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Wow, what a nightmare!

That guy - or the Dr. K guy made threats against me - and posted my personal address online. The address was wrong, but it was still invasive and brought stress on my old housemate. So much energy got zapped up by those people. I'm sure many of them are back selling various oils and miracle remedies...

Check out http://iroots.org/
"If you’re into political activism, at least for Ron Paul if not for anyone else, I strongly recommend spending some time with iroots.org." - Tom Woods

It Surely Was...

...and I can imagine your stress levels regarding those threats.
Many here were threatened.
But we are still here...the DP is still running...and I, for one, am thankful for that and able to chuckle at that episode today.
Something to learn by...remember and move forward.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Radio is that you!!!

Haven't seen you on for a long while. Love your musiq

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I have one word for you...predator drones. Oh, you think I'm kidding?" Obombya

Yes, it is...

I was gone for a good while. Glad to be back periodically.

Check out http://iroots.org/
"If you’re into political activism, at least for Ron Paul if not for anyone else, I strongly recommend spending some time with iroots.org." - Tom Woods

You're not talking about "Dr.

You're not talking about "Dr. Steve Parent" are you?

Wow! Another Blast...

...from the past!
Quite a bit of DP History being reviewed here, yes?
But it is good to look over some of these memoirs, and in retrospect learn from what happened...what we can figure really happened.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

He reincarnated as a chicken,

Claims to know-it-all!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

not true at all

if you are saying I am Richard Gilbert, one, not true. Two, he's dead so it can't be true. Three, I have been seen in the same room with him before.

That, and the fact that I've never been dumb enough to buy into their failed efforts.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

None of Your Spelling or Grammar

...is consistent with Richard's.
His was so pathetic it was incredible to believe that he was an attorney.....yeah, he had a style all his own...

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

You missed the part about reincarnating

You get a 2nd chance at more dumb legal ideas!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

here's a dumb legal idea

go online and say that someone is really someone else who is really fricken graveyard dead.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

It's not a legal idea at all

It's reincarnation, you get to come back dumber than before, Cluck!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Holy crap then

you have had a LOT of lives.

Thank you, I'll be here all week!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

check out his website ... LOL.

http://www.electionfraudremedy.com/

I know that Richard Gilbert has passed on and I mean no disrespect ...

But ... LOL.

Was that electionfraudremedy ?

...or erection fraud remedy? Hahahha!
Looks more like an ad for a massage parlor (LOL!)
...more importantly;
WHATEVER HAPPENED to his "minions" who descended upon the DP in the fraudulent crusade he proposed/threatened?
And I am NOT referring to the many hardworking alternates and delegates who worked so hard, and were ultimately led astray by a charlatan and his accomplices...some unwittingly.

How soon we forget.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Wasn't his right hand man a guy that claimed ...

to be a Doctor?

Some guy from Egypt?

What was his name?