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My opinion is changing on WAC...

I was originally a very staunch critic of We Are Change. I used to be so annoyed and embarrased when a possibly completely oblivious and possibly completely innocent (innocent or ignorant of 911 being an "inside job") famous person being screamed at in the middle of a busy public appearance by We Are Change and humiliating the Liberty movement by screaming at these people "WHY ARE YOU A MURDERER WHO WORKS WITH THE CFR AND BILDERBERG GROUP AND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR 911 BEING AN INSIDE JOB?!?!?!?!?!">...

Note, I do personally have a problem with the controled demolition theory. You could more easily convince me of 911 being allowed to occur by the Bush admin, by hijackers, but orchastrating 911 themselves doesn't seem logical to me. But let's leave that alone for now. That's just my personal opinion... Anyway, just for argument's sake, imagine that these people they ambushed in the past were honestly oblivious to 911 being an inside job. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine somebody ambushed you in front of your fans about the 911 being an inside job and Bohemian Grove and CFR, etc... You would be annoyed, especially if they have a Ron Paul pin. I personally would be humiliated...

HOWEVER

, I have to say that the more recent work they have done is so faaaar better and more mature and more productive. Their new stuff is far better at getting to real issues and pointing to real tangible incredible injustices. They have legitimized themselves so much and I have to give them kudos. I REALLY have enjoyed their videos over the last 6 months. Good for them for being less "fringy" (dont be offended. I say that for lack of a better word).

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this is on the front

because this poster needs to be called out for the shill that he is ,

FRINGE ? really

real tangible incredible injustices.

like a falsified attack that has changed our world into a menacing demonic police state where citizens are watched with layers upon layers of survelliance for what , FOR AL-CIADUH ?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGPFVOYmhg

george washington bridge my friend , you answer me that then come back here and say KUDOS TO WE ARE CHANGE FOR BEING LESS FRINGY

wake up daily pauler please wake up

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

why is this even on the front

why is this even on the front page? someone's personal opinion of an organization? things are getting odd around here .. some weird stuff gets front paged lately

All paper money eventually returns to its real intrinsic value, zero. - Voltaire

facts - reply

I'm asking if someone that believes she is right can summarize her points and responses to those questions in her video. I didn't hear it in 20 minutes, and I don't hear her supporters discussing. It's important not to ignore the facts to reach a conclusion you were looking to.

Larry Silverstein

That comment he made about making the decision to "pull", what do people think about that? Just a huge slip of the lip blunder? I mean that's one of the all time blunders if so.

We Are Change is awesome as

We Are Change is awesome as long as Luke has the microphone. I also like the new girl they have. She seems to be an excellent decoy. She's cute so people are easily fooled by her until she asks hard questions.

What I don't like is some of the other affiliates in other cities. Some of these people should not have microphones and I think they dumb down what Luke is doing.

Down vote for being Luke warm

may your chains rest comfortably upon you as walk the fence

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

All I can say is.... 2 planes

All I can say is.... 2 planes hit 2 buildings yet 3 buildings collapsed. If someone watches those videos of the 3rd tower collapse and thinks it's anything other then a planned demolition of the building, that person is a complete moron.

this poster is an obvious shill or a deluded moron

keep it up , we can wake enough people up one day for REAL change to occur

oh bout an INDEPENDENT investigation with a team of sherrifs that actually give a fuck about cleaning out the corrupt government

again george washington bridge, just ask good ol dan rather hows he doing nowadays,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGPFVOYmhg

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

it's great to see WAC getting stronger!

keep up the good, hard work!

Just to add that I do believe real conspiracies are going on...

Again, im just simply skeptical about 911 being done by controlled demolition, but its just my opinion and I am open to having a fair open minded debate while assuring the people with opposing views that I am opened to being convinced, but just know that Ive heard what I think just may be about everything on the matter...

Having said that, ill tell you what I am convinced about: I am convinced that pretty much all the foreign conflicts weve been in that I can think of (perhaps there are a few outliers, who knows) in modern times was based on lies and are basically put forth by sociopathic leaders of ours serving only the special interests.

I do know that the media is the most corrupt institution there is and they are just as at fault of our country losing its freedom and greatness as the politicians themselves.

I do know that the Fed is biggest cartel in the known world and that they are mother of the corruption in this country

I do know that our elections are bought and paid for by politicians only seeking power, like Romney and Obama and that they purposely shut out competition like any big banking instituion.

I do know that the Israel Lobby has more power in our country than the voters and whats sad is that Israel has more political parties than we have ever had in our history.

I do know that the fraud of our two party system is no different than the one party Communist party of China (you know they do have elections in china too, but they must be apart of the one communist party.)

These are just a few conspiracies that are out in the open and we must fight every breath of our lives to stop this evil in our country and a by product of these changes would stop things like 911 being an inside job or any other false flag attack.

Lastly, I do know that our establishment purposely frauded Ron Paul of the presidency.

Ron Paul 2012

just wondering

How much of a % increase is it to go from allowing the torpedoing of 2 civilian cruise ships where hundreds died to justify going into a war where millions died... multiple that by whatever % you think govt has grown since 1916, and how far do you think they 'could' go with an event?

State power would have to have increased maybe 1% per year to even consider the question above?

I think you'd agree it's increased.

So, maybe it's worth keeping an eye on state power given what we know, and asking for answers for our questions...

BTW - I don't agree that the FED is the biggest cartel... there are small banks they all to operate; unlike what the govt has allowed to happen to several industires including auto, insurance, etc... I read a story the other day that 80 years ago there were closer to 100 domesitc auto companies... now there are 3. There at least are other banking alternatives.

Just not ready yet for 911 truth

Lordindra3, you are just not ready yet for 911 truth, but you are getting close. Watch AE911Truth http://youtu.be/OQgVCj7q49o this will bring you one step closer to believing.

I agree with you.. some

I agree with you.. some people just can not get their minds around the fact that our government is evil.

I spent just a few minutes gathering info for you...

... I really don't understand how anyone with an open mind can not see that a controlled demolition of all three buildings on 9/11 is the only plausible explanation. And if true this could only mean an inside job.

If you investigate this like any other crime. You must find the people who have the motive, means and opportunity. This will lead to the truth.

You say you might believe the Bush administration allowed it to happen. Well that's barely a stones throw away from doing it, right? If you know mass murder is about to be committed and do nothing then you are just as culpable of the murders themselves, especially if you allow it to happen to in order to gain something from it.

MOTIVE & MEANS: Dick Cheney and PNAC needed an event to convince the American people to wage war in the middle east. This would allow Cheney and his associates to achieve their stated goal of militarizing the middle east.

One year before 9/11, PNAC published a radical plan (rebuilding American defences) outlining most of what became US foreign policy after 9/11: the Bush doctrine. But they were not, in September 2000, optimistic about their plans’ practicability. Indeed, they thought the only way their ideas would stand a chance of adoption was if something dramatic happened, “some cataclysmic and catalysing event — like a new Pearl Harbor”, they argued. ( http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/us-has-no-stomach-fo... )

CONTROLLED DEMOLITION: All three fell at a free-fall rate with virtually no resistance. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that this goes against the most basic laws of physics and plain common sense. Just take a look at the collapse videos and it should become painfully obvious.

EVIDENCE OF CONTROLLED DEMOLITION:Raw nano-thermite and super-thermite were found in the dust along with metallic spheres indicative of nano-thermitic reactions. This has been scientifically proven. ( http://ae911truth.org/evidence.html )

EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS: Secondary explosions heard throughout the day. ( http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html )

OPPORTUNITY: There are certain facts that if investigated might allow you to cross the threshold you seem to be resisting. For example, Bush family members were in charge of security at the trade center. By coincidence Marvin Bush's contract was set to end on 9/11/01. Several witnesses have stated that security shut-downs and power shut-downs occurred in the weeks prior to the attacks. This is the opportunity they needed to do the documented "elevator retrofitting"

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles Airport and United Airlines ( http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm )

Bomb sniffing dogs abruptly removed 5 days prior to 9/11. ( http://web.archive.org/web/20090216152210/http://www.amny.co... )

The Twin Towers had been evacuated a number of times in the weeks preceding 9/11 ( http://web.archive.org/web/20010914235852/people.aol.com/peo... )

VIDEOS: There were power down in the Twin Towers on the weekend before 9/11, security cameras were shut down, and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s5w6uZof00&feature=player_em... ) ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf9ya9F2hGE )

VIDEO: The chief electrical engineer who wired the World Trade Centers (Richard Humenn) says that people working on the elevators could have planted explosives ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gJy7l... )

A tenant of the World Trade Center hired a “sprinkler repairman” shortly before 9/11, and gave him access to 6 underground levels at World Trade Center building 1 ( http://web.archive.org/web/20020221123538/http://www.gomemph... )

The fact that control of NORAD was given to Vice President Dick Cheney months before the attacks. In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.

Cheney recalls taking charge from bunker ( http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/11/ar911.king.cheney/ )

The fact that the Pentagon, the worlds most protected building was allowed to be struck without any kind anti-aircraft defense being implemented... of course we now know that a stand-down order was gievn by Dick Cheney according Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta During his 9/11 Commission Testimony ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y )

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

elections are rigged

no doubt about it. Take your choice 2004, 2012, Canada too. We can make change but it has to start at the local level and it has the be massive. 75% of the country's wealth was stolen under Bush. Pretty sure Romney and the corporatist will be back feeding at the trough on our dime..

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

what doubt is there

more questions: why is it every election for the last 50 years have been 49% to 49%?

can someone post facts?

I feel like this thread and the Robert Kyosaki threads could go hand in hand... I didn't learn a fact from reading the comments, or watching 20 min of the video, just like I haven't learned a thing from 10+ years of reading Kyosaki's financial comments...

Could someone post 3 bulletpoints that summarize her points...

Also, post her comments on:
-The war games going on during the event
-The exporting of demolition matter which blocked investigation... which means the denial of subsequent investigation overseas was approved
-Building 7
-Her refutation of the original builders comments regarding the collapse
-Her comments on the eye witness comments on lava days and weeks after
-The fact not 1 building has collapsed and / or disintregated due to fire in the history of the world, and 3 did

I'm open to knowing why the above happened if you have an answer. Non-answers shouldn't be promoted however.

I think the architects seeking the truth number in the hundreds, so I don't see the point in consider 1 individual here. I don't even know if she's qualified to discuss the topic, so if you bought her story you might explain why she is over hundreds of architects.

Posting facts is too little space for too much

information.
May I suggest that you start with the official findings of the 911 inquiry. In reading this you will find a litany of lies and....well, lies.
Then cross that information with the work of David Ray Griffin and Richard Gauge. Check it with the extensive and well researched 9/11 timeline.
This is in no way a 5 minute job, but as time has gone on the information has become more condensed, easier to get around.
It is not only architects for 9/11, but pilots, Drs, lawyers, government people.
To get your head around the fact that a small handful of people in positions of power, can cold bloodily murder 3000 people is not easy
nor comfortable...but I wish you well.

just surprised...

so many people responded here about how immature prior posts of WAC were... and how they now bought in based on this video...

Why is it there are no one that viewed this video can answer any (and it they are honest about the event like their posts keep saying "thanks for an honest review", please let me know the answers to ALL) of the above?

My Take on WAC

Most all of them got there worlds flipped due to the revelation that 9-11 was bogus. Think about it, you are living your life in the land of the free, home of the brave, and then one day the truth of that day makes you realize that nothing is as it seems.

I figured things out through the FED, so my process was a little slower, you learn a little more, loose a little faith, figure a little more out, loose some more faith. The FED is more complicated to understand, but 9-11... it can hit you swift and hard. and it's violent.

The bulk of WAC are young and this shock will make you feel like going and screaming at someone. I mean WTF, a bunch of kids figured it out and now realize they are living in a bizzaro world where everyone is brainwashed by propaganda and treats them like whacko's for questioning things and striving for the truth. I feel they had every right to scream.

As they matured they have worked hard on being more effective, the have put much time and thought into this. Much of it has been trial and error, but they take it seriously.

WAC is legit. They are probably the most legit group out there. I trust them more than I trust C4L, that is for sure.

You may disagree with some of the things they believe, but if you go hang out with them you may realize you agree exactly with how they want to live - in peace. They are starting local currencies, they are starting community gardens, they are building networks of freedom lovers and are always always always working on spreading the message.

don't make excuses

You believe something. Don't make excuses for why you believe it. The FED is not complicated. It has one tool, it has only ever had one tool, and it is theft despite the masking. The brilliance of anyone that connects with the public is not buying the 'complexity' that our dear leaders tell us the world is made of, so they can control us.

The FED takes the value of your money and devalues it. That is all.

Your take on 9/11 is as simple. What did you see? What were you told you saw? What do you believe.

Not sure what I was making excuses for.

My point is that it took me a while to realize everything was effed. You are right about the fed being simple (I actually thought about that as I typed), but still the same it took me a bit to cut through all the window dressing and realize that. I lost faith in the system slowly.

With 9/11 it can be a shock, you can watch building 7 fall and in about 8 seconds realize everything is effed. by the time I saw building 7 I was already realized that the system effed.

I agree.

Infighting will never solve anything. Educating the ignorant (and there are a lot of them) is far more productive.

C'mon

I used to be a skeptic of the 911 Inside job stuff, and for the longest time I was just ignorant to the "conspiracy theorists" case. I finally made myself watch one of the earlier original versions of "loose change", there were parts I thought they could've done with out (kind of came of as fringe to me) such as the whole theory of where, and when planes landed and ect.... But what got me was, I never knew about Building 7, when you see that I don't see how you could dismiss the "demolition part"? also the pentagon is very fishy and it does'nt really take much thought to be like "WTF?" regardless of it being a plane or not hitting the pentagon, the fact that the only release of video was of crappy footage from a camerea that supposedly takes 4 frames per second. Americas center of military planning and they don't have better, or more camera's to surveilance it? ok

Beep beep boop beep... I am a Paulbot... prepare for liberty and prosperity!

Look, my mind is ALWAYS OPEN!!!...

And it irritates me when the so called "seekers" of truth or some of the most closed minded people Ive met. They themselves are not experts at skyscraper demolitions or sky scraper engineering, but because they watched videos by people with "Dr." in there name telling a narrative that they the viewer already believes, then this is truth and anything I watch is not truth. Watch Alex Jones just look like an idiot (with all due respect because I like SOME of Alex's stuff) when debating Mark Roberts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXJJbAZbjw4

I am NOT closed to conspiracies. I watch every conspiracy video I can find and find them fascinating and I find myself believing in much of it, but then I take a step back and remember to be a critical thinker. For example, if you watch Denver Airport Mysteries YouTube Video, how can you NOT be convinced of its evilness? Well, watch the debunking of it and realize the twisting of facts that video has and all the sudden I realize there is always 2 sides and its usually somewhere in the middle... Just because something is a conspiracy doesnt mean its NOT true. However, I just usually believe which one not only makes the most sense with evidence, but also probability.

My point is the most fair regarding 9/11 which is that we need an independent investigation so we can all know the truth. The bottom line is that there are just as many people with the word "Dr." in their names that explain 911 tower collapses as there are Richard Gages and Dr. Judy Woods. Its is NOT a fact of physics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0&feature=fvst http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacYjsS-g6k&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w)I know these videos are just going to piss more people off, but I warned I didnt want to go this direction and that I wanted to stick to praise of WAC but you couldnt help yourselves and neither could I... The buildings did not fall a free fall speed and it was due to how the building was made and there has never been a building as tall and thin as Twin Towers that got hit by giant jet liners at 300 miles per hour. Dont give me the thermite garbage because thermite is just kids sparklers on 4th of July and can be found in office material and commercial PAINT! What is "nano" thermite? Well, evidentally its so secret that nobody can get their hands on it. What if they do and prove it cant take down a building in 15 seconds, then next it will "SUPER MEGA NANO THERMITE!" I just watched the Dr. Judy Woods LONG interview and I dont know, maybe she has some points, maybe shes a quack, who knows, but I know she doesnt know, just like I dont know. The reverend for Westborrow Baptist Church also has a PHD, but does that make him more credible than every other PHd out there?

Look, I am open to everything and I do believe there is REALLY creepy stuff going on with 911, but this would be a MASSIVE conspiracy involving hundreds of people and every so called "whistle blower" is just someone who has questions, but did not know anybody or was not apart of themselves any conspiracy on 911 or the planning of it. How come not one single decent human soul has come forward saying they were involved in planning 911 as an inside jobe??? and I believe that we already have enough evidence to show what horrible tyrant war criminals our politicians to prosecute them without needing to prove 911 was an inside job. The only other things Im saying is that you are all right that NeoCons GOP establishment are the brainwashed clowns they are, but they are the main stream and we will never get anything done we wish to accomplish without the mainstream and Im sorry if it makes you upset but the majority of people are turned off by 911 truth theories and I personally am NOT turned off by 911 truth theories, but I AM turned off by MANY (not all) 911 truthers by their absolute faith based devotion to this stuff that if you believe anything they dont believe then somehow you are on the dark side and needed to be shunned. Its frustrating...

Ron Paul 2012

Hundreds of people need not be involved...

just a handful of people with the same objectives, and in the right place at the right time, such as Dick Chaney in charge of NORAD and the presidential bunker, Rumsfeld in the Pentagon, George tucked neatly out of the way.
It only takes one magician and a little slight of hand to make an elephant or an aircraft carrier "disappear" before our very eyes.
In the case of 9/11 all it took was some pre arranged war "games",and some false blips on radar screens and bingo! 3 buildings and 3000 people disappeared.

Fair enough.....

.. Thanks for your even minded comments/debate points. I really dont mind having an open minded conversation about 911 with someone who seems knowledgable about it and all I ask is that you be fair to me for being skeptical. I am just a skeptical minded person....

Ron Paul 2012

Hey, being skeptical

is what leads us to research both sides of every argument.
Happy hunting!

Agreed

I'm on the same page here, almost verbatim with the OP.

Eric Hoffer

I never had any major issue with WAC

Someone needs to be confronting these jerk offs. Glad there are people that have the ballz to do it. What they are doing is closer to true journalism then what MSM provides. I say keep em coming. It does look like They are figuring out better ways to get these people to expose themselves instead of walk away which is good.