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My opinion is changing on WAC...

I was originally a very staunch critic of We Are Change. I used to be so annoyed and embarrased when a possibly completely oblivious and possibly completely innocent (innocent or ignorant of 911 being an "inside job") famous person being screamed at in the middle of a busy public appearance by We Are Change and humiliating the Liberty movement by screaming at these people "WHY ARE YOU A MURDERER WHO WORKS WITH THE CFR AND BILDERBERG GROUP AND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR 911 BEING AN INSIDE JOB?!?!?!?!?!">...

Note, I do personally have a problem with the controled demolition theory. You could more easily convince me of 911 being allowed to occur by the Bush admin, by hijackers, but orchastrating 911 themselves doesn't seem logical to me. But let's leave that alone for now. That's just my personal opinion... Anyway, just for argument's sake, imagine that these people they ambushed in the past were honestly oblivious to 911 being an inside job. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine somebody ambushed you in front of your fans about the 911 being an inside job and Bohemian Grove and CFR, etc... You would be annoyed, especially if they have a Ron Paul pin. I personally would be humiliated...

HOWEVER

, I have to say that the more recent work they have done is so faaaar better and more mature and more productive. Their new stuff is far better at getting to real issues and pointing to real tangible incredible injustices. They have legitimized themselves so much and I have to give them kudos. I REALLY have enjoyed their videos over the last 6 months. Good for them for being less "fringy" (dont be offended. I say that for lack of a better word).

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Three modern steel framed + concrete skyscrapers ...

... do not all fall with perfect symmetry, at free fall speed, from impact and fire.

The engineering and physics of the circumstances don't allow it.

Any more than your car turns into a perfectly square cube from someone rear ending you in parking lot.

People need to clear their minds of all the emotions, and complicated socio-political *shit* that surround the entire event ..

... and understand that.

Since most people in this country have the scientific background of a 5th grader as a result of public education, this is why they don't see it.

sharkhearted's picture

We can agree on the need of an independent investigation

Before that, just look at the evidence.

Science, and physics, do not lie.

The verdict could be reached NOW with no further evidence....in a court of law and these perpetrator coksucker psychopaths prosecuted...to the fullest extent of the law.

The problem is there are people like you who say "I have a problem with the Controlled Demolition Theory".

Really?

State your "problem". How can you attempt to defy physics?

You can't.

So if you cant, then stop obstructing people like WAC who are light years ahead of you and just go with the flow. (Trust me...I had to do the same thing. Its OK when you are brainwashed, like I was, it took a little while for it to wear off)

At this point, the Controlled Demolition denunciation of your argument, alone and in and of itself, would get you laughed out of court.

Drop it.

The TRUTH shall set you free!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

As an engineer, I recommend you study---

www.ae911truth.org and after thoroughly reviewing the information, ask questions, any questions, and you will begin to understand.

as another engineer. good post.

yes, just please look and ask questions.
"jet fuel" is kerosene. and a "jet" engine is really just a gas turbine. all a "turbine" is, is a fan.
well, it is a BIT more complicated than that.....
peace.

sharkhearted's picture

You are preaching to the choir buddy.

Already there. And I am an active participant with ae911truth.org. Just ordered recently 1000 of their newspapers that I am distributing.

Perhaps you may have meant your comment for someone else? No worries.

Check out my previous forum on the subject here. You will find it of interest.

http://www.dailypaul.com/255112/the-smoking-gun-wtc7-taken-d...

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I noticed...

FAKE-conservative/libertarian Hotair ran Luke's Obama vid. I PRAY... I PRAY this is NOT A SIGN that Luke is going to... tweak his reporting (sellout) to the LEFTIST GOP! Because I know FAKE-conservative/libertarian media (including Townhall, Blaze, etc) WILL NOT TOUCH ANYTHING, that isn't down with Team-GOP. PLEASE... PLEASE, Rudkowski... STAY PURE!!!!!

F the R's!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

WTC7

How can you look at what happened to building 7 and then dismiss controlled demo?

WTC 7 doesnt make me think its automatically inside...

... Its not even logical. If it was a conspiracy, why would they take 2 planes and fly them into buildings which would OBVIOUSLY make it look obvious that they were to collapse and then blow up a random building just "poof" right out of thin air. Dont you think that looks a little wierd? Why even go through the trouble for building 7 when the first 2 were enough? Lastly, there were fires which weakend the beams there... I really didnt want to go this route with this forum post

Ron Paul 2012

One Word Enron

It is alledged that Building 7 had all the evidence on the Enron scandal......

"Speculation was rife that these were Enron’s files, and without these, Enron’s disappearing assets could never be recovered. To this day, the Securities and Exchange Commission has been mum about who these files were about. They responded to a 2009 Freedom of Information request by a 911 Truther, claiming that they could not find a bibliography of investigation records stored at the SEC offices formerly located within floors 11-13, of World Trade Center building 7."

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2012/03/13/enron-911-link/

Sounds pretty plausable to me.

nothing random about building 7.

Only Larry Silverstine's buildings disintegrated into their own foot prints that day.
please take the time to research-: how much he paid for the Towers, how much it was going to cost the Port Authority to remove the asbestos from them and do them up. Find out how much insurance money he got for them. Research who was leasing offices in building 7, and what documentation for what pending court cases were lost.
Nothing about Building 7 was random.

sharkhearted's picture

The only way they can dismiss the Controlled Demolition Theory..

The only way they can do that...is to suspend the laws of physics.

Not sure how they can get around that one, though.

They have to be forced to test their hypothesis.

Any takers?? Those that feel that they can successfully test their hypothesis that the laws of physics don't apply here in regards to WTC7?

Anyone care to explain how 10 stories of the skyscraper WTC7 suddenly CEASED TO EXIST at the bottom of the structure, allowing the top part to descend at the SPEED OF GRAVITY for 108 feet??

Where did those 10 floors below go??? Did they transmogrify to a parallel universe? (lol)

Or were they blown to bits??

Anyone have a better explanation??

Yeah...I thought not.

Cricket chirps.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

War By Deception.com

http://youtu.be/qHHmjgBDi6s
Best information on 9/11 cover up and CIA/Mossad involvement by Ryan Dawson.

Yes

Yeah their more recent stuff is more refined which will appeal to moderates. Being professional is important if you want to be taken seriously - it's what separates you from the amateur.

I figure they listened to feedback and improved how they report - good job. That's where the viewer steers the direction of reporting and that's a good thing so it's not a bad thing to criticize their actions.

Put it this way - I won't share or promote their reporting on my Facebook or Twitter unless they have a clean act.

I too think Jack Hunter had it right when he got pissed off and I hope they took that into consideration.

Put it this way -

I won't share or promote ANY "moderate" reporting on my Facebook or Twitter unless they have REJECTED the LEFTIST GOP and are ready to embrace REAL Constitutional Liberty.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

I hope this ISN'T the case...

because "moderates" (FAKE-conservatives) are WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if Luke develops a trademark wink like FAKE-TEA GOP Palin or cute lil' porkchops like FAKE-TEA Kibbe... and walks around bashing Obama 24/7... he would be more palatable to FAKE, FAKE, FAKE-conservative "moderate" REPUBLICANS?

F the R's! And I don't GIVE A DAMN about ANYTHING REPUBLICAN Hunter has to say! If I was, all I'd have to do is click on some Clearchannel GARBAGE.

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

woah

Guys. Calm down. Look up the word moderate.

Definition:
average in amount, intensity, quality, or degree

Stop using it in it's political form. That's just stolen by political proponents and is misused.

Tone is everything when talking ...

... about "controversial" issues. WAC does good work. Keep it up guys.

Also, it would be great to interview a UN inspector during the election.

Mirand Sharma

Yeah..

Totally agree with you here. The works they are doing are provable and can be easily looked up on. Whenever they did those "9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! RON PAUL 2012" I felt like that those statements weren't get tangible points across, and only turns people off.(I think this is what Jack Hunter was meaning to say)

When you just go up to someone and say 9/11 conspiracy etc, people will just automatically have their mind shut off to you. Now notice I think it's MUCH more important to note that our foreign policy is the cause of the terrorist attacks and attach events onto that.

They're doing much better now, especially the Obama video recently.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

So you didn't like the

So you didn't like the content they were discussing..and now you do. But see, those people were not "innocent" nor oblivious..They were down right murdering thugs..who wouldn't defend you like you defend them. And deserved to be called out in front of other people so that someone may hear just what it was they had done. Kudos to Luke and WAC

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

Then the report was incomplete

It left people wondering why people were attacked.

Tell the whole story, give evidence, then get damning denials. Justify the question!

Free includes debt-free!

I agree..more context for

I agree..more context for those who didn't know what they were watching...would have been good

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

Bump++

Serving the viewers needs. The world is hungry for truth, but so many lies are told.

Credibility is a track record. I wish WAC well.

Free includes debt-free!

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