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Is everything about pot?

When I first started reading this site, I thought the main issues to members here, and to liberty supporters around the country, were monetary policy, civil liberties, and the expensive and consequential wars. Those are the things I care about.

Now I don't care if people smoke pot, and I favor legalizing it and all drugs for the sake of protecting liberty, stopping the expensive drug war, and having it available for medical purposes.

But it seems like every other thread here turns into a discussion about pot or what the best pro-pot candidate is. I don't think any single issue gets mentioned here as much as pot. The pot legalization comments at rallies and debates get the biggest cheers. They should get cheers, but to me it's starting to seem like pot legalization is what the movement has become all about. I'm still glad that the issues I care about more are getting attention in the movement, but I feel like many people are just jumping on the bandwagon with those issues, not really understanding them, and will support just about anything as long as legalizing pot is included.

What do you think?



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Huh?

Pot? What the hell are you talking about? Seems you have a cognitive focus problem. I don't even remember that last thread on marijuana...until this one...telling that there is an overabundance of threads focussing on pot...

Again...huh?

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

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Joined recently

but was a reader since 2007. This experience of threads turning into threads about pot or discussing the best pot candidate has evaded me. I do believe though, that most people here, including myself, are generally concerned about their civil liberty and living free.

exactly my thoughts.

My first thought when I read this was "Wow, am I missing something, I don't see that at all".

pot is my less concern...

since the majority of America agrees its not dangerous.

the issues is no one has the right to say what you should or should put in ones body. Especially Government!

Pot; minor issue. Your body is your property; big issue.

Many Libertarians (especially media personalities)would love to paint the Libertarian party as "the dope party". Take it with a grain of salt. It's a minor issue that some think they can use to bait people in with and some think they can use to embarrass us with.

i barely ever see people

i barely ever see people talking about pot on here, i must be looking in the wrong places

It is part of the "civil liberties"

you mentioned.
Think of it this way...about 50% of Americans smoke pot or have smoked pot. So, we have laws in place that make about 50% of our citizens criminals when they have done nothing but make (possibly) a bad decision for themself.
If caught these citizens may then enjoy a ride through our legal system and possibly our wonderful prison or jail systems. They may possibly have most of their assets seized and possibly could have CPS interviene if they happen to have children. And if this person spends any length in jail they may also loose their job...all this over a plant that has never killed anyone. There is no victim, other than the user being a victim of government force.
As Ron Paul himself has talked about in regards to rights...we must protect even things we may abhor, lest we loose the rights that are important to us. As long as a person is not violating another, then he or she should have the right to do whatever it is. And as a proponent of Liberty I will gladly stand next to anyone who belives the same. This is something I see akin to religion. I am an athiest, but I will fight for my neighbors right to worship, so that my own rights not to worship may be protected.
Civil Rights and Individual Liberties of ALL kinds MUST be embraced, not just the ones you use...or we may wake up one day to no rights at all.

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Breaking news from Shreveport La.

In a major drug bust yesterday two men were arrested for having a couple of ounces of marijuana and a "digital scale". Oh My God!!!! Thanks to the drug war these hardened criminals are finally off the streets, or out of their house that is. And they can no longer make accurate measurements with their digital scales. We are saved!

I think I will turn my digital scale in to the proper authorities and just guess what my silver weighs from now on. I mean if they bust me and find my silver scale then I must be a dealer who is killing young children and seducing satanic spirits to do my bidding. I hope they don't find my baking soda and vinegar in the kitchen cabinet and bust me for having bomb making materials.

No it's not all about pot but ending the war on marijuana would indicate a step in the right direction.

This is just crazy.

I think its simple

And most of us can agree on it , its simply the freedom of choice, The freedom to wake up in the morning and not be told if you can or can't do this or that in your own home.

I don't think pot

I don't think pot legalization is anymore important than other liberties. One reason it gets a lot of attention and a lot of applause is probably that the war on drugs is one of the greatest infringment of liberty in our times and that the same war fuels other infringments such as surveillance, registration, checkpoints, growing police state etc. etc.

I think it's about timing and not priorities really.

really has nothing to do with

really has nothing to do with pot, not one pot law has stopped me or many folks from smoking "the weed'

has to do more with your rights and wasting billions and incarcerating folks for using something far safer then many common foods,alcohol and aspirin.

that is why goode is full of crap about personal rights and the us constitution!

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If the stoners will able to

If the stoners were able to legalize pot, they would still need something to talk about. Central banks, property tax, you could get the potheads interested in voting again, since they voted to legalize it, they will feel empowered.

lawrence

marijuana legalization is liberty

many of us are already in the liberty movement and were involved in many things as we change the laws. you know full well it has nothing to do with pot and more to do with rights and wasting billions on a failed drug war. legalize hemp and it will be impossible to grow female marijuana outdoors unless you have special pollen filters. legalize hemp and you put the corrupt dea and drug dealers one in the same out of business with marijuana.

Ron Paul 2016

yeah, gotta start somewhere

taking staunch principled positions, even when controversial, only helps. One thing leads to another and the truth sets you free. Ron has always been all about building coalitions; this strategy is what led to the ideological shift manifesting itself. Different people begin their journey at different places - but it all leads to liberty.

it's really about abolishing

it's really about abolishing property tax, public schools with them. then getting rid of fluoride.

While being stoned the entire time.

lawrence

it's more about learning, for

it's more about learning, for me. I haven't even smoked pot in over a year. i haven't smoked cigarettes. i wanted to learn arabic but i need diacritics. so i'm stuck with learning russian while forgetting my german. it's about being poor and wanting to know more.

maybe i can call that guy tomorrow and he can help me fix cars. i don't know how to. i want to garden, but no one gives me permission. i don't want to own land because the government and bank will, in the end, wrest it from me. - it was hypothetical when i was younger and i accept it as truth.

The bankers own it. But if you do have acquaintances who are pot heads, you would be blessed to tell them about Ron Paul.

lawrence

It's about raw milk.

When we finally say we will no longer accept the ban on raw milk, or pot, or pornography, or gold as money, or whatever else it is, then everyone will see that we are much, much stronger than our captors.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

No it's just that it's the poster child for a principle.

a very important one. Do you own yourself?

It's not really about pot or drugs or even raw milk as is often brought up. It's about the principle of self ownership. Perhaps that is lost on some because often the emphasis is on a particular popular banned substance or practice and not so much on the underlying principle itself.

I do not use or advocate the use of drugs, illegal, prescription or otherwise. I believe that decision is up to each individual to make. The reason why the issue effects me though is the principle. Does the government own my body or do I? If I do than I can do whatever I want with it as long as I do not harm another. If the government does, or if the government even has a say in what I do with my body, than that means it can dictate far more than just what drugs, foods or drinks I put into it. That means they own me. That means they can ship me off to war if they want. They can stop and search me at will with no suspicion or warrant. They can inject me with needles. They can cut me from their health care or other institutions they make people dependent on if I step out of line. They can fine me if I dont eat or drink my daily regimented state approved diet as dictated by law or if I don't do the requisite amount of daily exercise. I'm damaging their equipment. Their property. Who knows they may even make it illegal for me to drink soda, or eat potato chips... oh wait. There's a lot more than just that too.

So it is an important issue. Yeah legalizing drugs gets bantered about quite frequently and gets a big cheer from the college kids and enthusiasts but the reason why it is brought up in the first place is often lost on those just wanting state approval of their particular fix. The real reason is the principle of self ownership. And if using the pot issue helps explain that principle to more people so be it. Sometimes issues like this and civil liberties brings people who are more traditionally liberal and democrat to our side. Other issues such as fiscal responsibility bring more traditionally conservative and republican to our side. Know your audience and know what methods work best at getting the message of liberty across.

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It isn't about pot

Pot is just a word. Words point to underlying reality that is the deeper truth, beyond words. When you say 'every other thread turns into a discussion about pot', if you're only concerned with the surface word, you're missing half the story, so you're understandably confused.

The deeper truth is this: Many individuals, and states want to legalize marijuana. Marijuana is a plant that is so hardy and so prevalent that its nickname (among others) is weed. In spite of this, the Federal government does not want this plant legalized. At a very basic level, it wants to prevent you from growing one of God's green plants on this earth with a law.

This situation sets up a showdown, between the rights of the States and the rights of the Feds.

This issue is on the forefront of a great power struggle. It is at the heart of the nullification movement. It is a huge showdown. Each state that moves closer towards legalizing drugs chips away at the power of the Feds. Once the Feds lose power on one issue such as this, it creates an opening for other States rights issues.

And before you know it, the whole Berlin wall is falling down.

Now do you understand? It is not about pot. It is about what pot represents. What pot represents is who wins the right to control us: The Feds or the state?

boom goes the dynamite, to

boom goes the dynamite, to take it a step further . the gov state or fed cannot give you a right. They never had it to take it away from you. It is your right.

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Well said Michael......

Please check out the video on this link. Quite amazing.
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Not everything......

Chill out man!

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The war on drugs is the fulcrum point on which

personal liberty is balanced. It is also one of the easiest ways to measure a persons belief level towards freedom or sheeplism. And no I haven't seen an unbalanced abundance of pot posts.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I agree

I thought the same things about this MJ issue.

4 years ago the discussion was nowhere near this.

It was definitely more of a historical and foundational nature imo.

donvino

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4 years ago we didn't have this opportunity

which goes to show that we're advancing our message into the heart of the mainstream.

It is an unlikely area, but see my comment above for the importance of this issue.

It isn't about the pot. It is about what the pot represents.

24 years ago, many had the opportunity.

When Ron Paul held the torch for the Libertarian party and was ignored or, when he was lucky, laughed at, many people left the movement altogether. My own step father was one of them, and he campaigned for Ron Paul in 88. That didn't mean anything to Ron Paul, and he didn't change what he believed at all.

This consistency is remarkable. I will remain as consistent as Ron Paul, I'm probably nowhere near as healthy, wealthy, nor wise, but the one quality I learned is honor.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT

I have my views, and others have theirs.

To me, I have a tendency to focus on policing the world, and reducing government spending. I think I'm probably more in line with Rand Paul in terms of governance but I am still sore about how he treated his father. What I'm saying is this - We all want 100% adherence to our beliefs. But I'm willing to vote for someone who supports the core of our beliefs because often that's what will propel us to get the rest of what we want.

I firmly believe the liberty movement (in a national campaign) needs to focus almost entirely on a bringing our troops home in order to stop policing the world, and to making big cuts in government spending so we can suspend the income tax as a way to spur REAL economic growth.

Once we get those things, and people see results from this initial injection of libertarianism, then they'll be more willing to go further. However, when we lead with issues like, "end the drug war" or "end the fed" we struggle to gain much traction. Those are not and should never be your primary goals as a candidate for President - Unless you don't want to get elected.

Say what you want about Rand Paul, but he understands this very well. He's a politician, while his father never really was. We're all different. There's no movement like ours, in which virtually every one of us has a different viewpoint on so many issues. But our common link is to get the forceful nature of government out of our lives as much as possible and the only way that happens is if we reduce the money and power it has.

This movement attracts pot smokers. And I support them and their right to smoke pot, just as I support my right to eat unhealthy, have unprotected sex, smoke cigs, drink, and abuse my own body - or whatever else I wanna do. (Not that I do all those things.. lol)

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"But it seems like every other thread here turns into a discussion about pot or what the best pro-pot candidate is. "

I only come on here for 20-30 minutes at a time so I miss a lot, but I haven't noticed pot threads coming up *too* often.

"I don't think any single issue gets mentioned here as much as pot."

I can think of quite a few, mainly 9/11 and the Fed. I also can't seem to read more than three posts without someone bringing up "collectivism".

"I'm still glad that the issues I care about more are getting attention in the movement, but I feel like many people are just jumping on the bandwagon with those issues, not really understanding them, and will support just about anything as long as legalizing pot is included."

Agreed until the last part. I've also noticed people supporting RP because it's "alternative" and do it based solely on that. The reason why I don't agree with the last part is because I've actually tried using RP's pro-pot stance to convince a few stoners here and there and it almost never worked, simply because of the (R) next to his name. That alone is enough to turn a LOT of potheads off, in my experience. And yet, they have zero issue with voting for Obama. Sigh...

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