Please don't yell at me
Submitted by garnet on Sat, 10/27/2012 - 13:09I don't know if anyone here has watched the tv show on showtime "HOMELAND?" the background story is that the US sent in a drone to kill a terrorist and happened to kill a bunch of little kids in a neighboring school. It was exposed, as the story unfolded, that the strike had been ok'd and that the children were considered reasonable collateral damage. As it happened the terrorist was not killed but his 10 yr old son was and the story continues with blow back etc.. I'm wondering if anyone else is watching this show and what do you think about it.
Also there is a show on network tv called LAST RESORT. Both these shows seem to lay bare things that I am suprised to see on mainstream television. If you watch either of these two shows I am wondering what you think of them and what does it mean that we are seeing this sort of thing on television now.
thank you in advance for not giving me a hard time about watching tv.. being curious.. being naive.. anything =)
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I enjoy watching both
I enjoy watching both shows.
[blockquote]If you watch either of these two shows I am wondering what you think of them and what does it mean that we are seeing this sort of thing on television now.[/blockquote]
It might mean that promotion of the concepts of false flag attacks & conspiracies within big gov cause enough feathers to be ruffled that the network cancels the show: http://screenrant.com/last-resort-666-park-avenue-cancelled/
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nah, i don't judge...
i'm not an anti-tv paul supporter. i like my fair share of drama series. if we stand for libertarian principles, i feel we should honor that people can watch whatever they want. obviously, when it comes to news, i don't watch any cable news networks. but in terms of entertainment, i'm pretty good about separating that and my political philosophy.
for example, even though the show "carnivale" characterized small government people as xenophobic fundamentalist christians that hate social progress and fdr's new deal, i was able to look past it and enjoy it for what it is. i even loved playing modern warfare 2. just because impressionable young kids see the glory of war in a videogame doesn't mean i can't separate it. so sure, i'll blast a few baddies in cyberspace but when all is said and done, i'm a non-interventionist.
homeland is interesting though. i'm on episode 3 of season 1 right now and i'm very reluctant to keep going because i'm sure there will be plenty of moments where i will roll my eyes at the propaganda. i'm sure it's a gripping show, maybe i'll give it a shot (with a grain of salt, of course). see, for a show like 24, it was much easier for me to root for jack bauer just because it's SO over the top! even if CTU uses street cameras to find intel via (presumably) the patriot act, i don't even bat an eyelid. i just watch it to see a badass agent. but i can see for someone who's not on the liberty train, they can be influenced.
The only thing I watch on TV are
Nascar races and the occasional football game and I typically watch those with the sound muted.
My wife watches a couple of crime dramas during the week...but she is wide awake so it's not too damaging to her. She always mutes the commercials so I don't mind getting online with my netbook and sitting in the TV room with her.
It's amazing how my outlook on life has changed since I stopped watching the evening news and all the other crap on TV.
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I've also stopped watching
I've also stopped watching news infotainment.
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Homeland is interesting
I have only watched a couple of episodes, but it is interesting.
Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul
Given some of the recent articles, such as this...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/navy-replaces-a...
coupled with the recent collision of a US fast attack submarine with a US AEGIS cruiser (the only vessel other than a Trident submarine capable of producing an EMP) off the East Coast, I am beginning to wonder if we are not seeing "Last Resort" being played out in real life.
It is wierd and telling.
It's like they're trying to fictionalize what's happening as quickly as possible, to define and interject propaganda, while at the same time the MSM pretends they don't see or understand anything.
I make a point not to watch any of it.
It reminds me of something though. Remember a show called Deadwood? It was on HBO, western frontier stuff based on the real town, but eventually the script was so far off from historical fact that they felt obligated to shut it down (along with other reasons I'm sure).
They recognized that they were in essence rewriting history and showing people lies. They had some level of respect for the real Deadwood.
It reminds me of another show; "Network" (again HBO, ZioFascist Garbage) trying to fictionalize and rewrite history as if the media was anything other than a corporate mouthpiece screaming racist and teabagger.
I think it's about fictionalizing and rewriting history as quickly as they can, spurring people into non-action.
+1
I think you are right, if they can burn a certain image or give a certain perception of things, then truth and facts won't matter.
Hmmm... Who knows. Might be
Hmmm... Who knows. Might be a good strategy to give shows like that a boost in ratings. The TV is the only thing that can appeal to the intellectually devoid, apathetic masses.
It is used to desensitize the masses
Any time they give you bait, watch out for the hook.
At first blush, what I note is that this situation is enough like real life that half-hypnotized people will think you are talking about a TV show if you ask about this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/robert-gibbs-anwar-...
Just curious - when did that episode air?
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
enquiring minds want to know
the actual bombing was shown in one episode this last summer.. I had several thoughts about it..
It shows the muslim people in a good light, very much like us, living in a country that is under seige. where the decision to accept collateral damage of 100 school childrem is unacceptable to them.. it brings up the question of what would you or I do in a similar situation. Is it a deliberate attempt to open the muslim world to us making it less strange and more sympathetic. where is the hook?
On LAST RESORT we are shown the connection between military, political to people or an attempt to marginalize and dramitize the people's objections to the status quo? Make it all into just a screenwriters script. where is the hook?
Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists
I'd like to give an informed answer, but I can't
I just don't watch TV any more, so i can't say what this particular show is trying to do or what it may be unintentionally doing. I did say it seems to blur the lines between reality and TV already - that does not bother you? The other thing it is apparently doing, if they show the actual bombing, is getting you accustomed to watching scenes of war and NOT being reviled by it, just watching it like it was entertainment.
As I said, all I can do is speak in generalities. Since I don't expose myself to their conditioning, I don't really have to worry about how or why so much. Maybe YOU should be asking these questions yourself, as you watch?
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
hmmm
I don't get the feeling of blurring reality.. ***thinking*** if anything it really brought home the reality of a distant bombing through a grieving father and friends eyes. As in, how in the world can those things be allowed to happen?? I remember hearing about something very much like that same thing actually happening and not being as shocked by it as I am now. So no it doesn't make me accustomed to the atrocity but I see your point...
I do ask myself questions about what I am seeing and what it means that they are showing the underbelly of our military actions on television.
Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists
well that is kind of what I was asking..
What is the intention...? either showing us the horror behind the political screen as a wake up call to our complicity in these acts... or showing us the corruption behind the political screen as a justification for continued actions. They are showing the muslim people in a sympathetic light, very much as we are and you get a real sense "put yourself in their place"
Last Resort is similar in that it lays bare the what if's I am just so surprised to see this so boldly on network television.
Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists
Last resort is a great show, the only one I watch
besides Jeopardy, but I have seen Homeland, and it seems like a show to desensitize the viewers to the CIA operating inside the US. The show makes it seem normal, but really it is against their charter. I just hope The Last Resort does not foreshadow anything like this show did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WW6eoLcLI
“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James
We have Homeland in New Zealand.
I refuse to watch it as it seems to be nothing more than propaganda, defending the indefensible, putting a sexy twist on something that is inherently wrong, slowly brain washing the public into the idea of a "Homeland"...like the Fatherland, the Motherland...and we all know what countries and politics those expressions came from.
hmmm I see it differently
I see it as a expose of how wrong we are and how wrong we treat others to justify our means. But again I am new at forming up my political ideas and have to ask and discuss these things. thank you for your input
Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists
or
does it do the opposite.. making people aware of just what is being done around them?
Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists
Maybe you are right about that, but
many American citizens seem to be unaware that the enemy is not coming from the outside, but is sitting in congress, the senate, the Whitehouse.
i think the
obvious reaction of any half-awake person watching either of these shows would be some level of shock at the layed bare duplicity of our government. Unless they were totally brain dead they would have to ask themselves. Is this modeled on truth?? Is this really the way they justify killing women and childen as only "collateral" damage. I don't see how anyone viewing it could see it as simple entertainment for the masses.. it really is too shocking and at every moment you are thinking.. so that is what they do and how they do it...
Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists
I saw Last Resort
It was fast paced and quite good. Subversive, even. In times of tyranny, art is a way of attacking the government with ideas...which is why tyrannical governments burn books and ban novelists...without becoming directly involved in politics or in armed rebellion.
It certainly is a positive sign that these shows are being produced...otherwise the general culture right now is pretty dismal.