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Danny Devito: Vote Yes on Prop 37

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In November, Californians will vote on Prop 37 requiring that GE foods be labeled. Just as labels list fat, sodium and sugar, labels should tell the buyer whether or not the product includes genetically engineered ingredients (GMOs). Unfortunately, major corporations like Monsanto are pouring billions of dollars into this election in order to confuse voters, and protect their bottom line.




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I don't need your truce.. so shove it up your ass lol

There are many inconsistencies in your statements but you're too much of a dumbass to see them yourself.

1) Just because something is GMO does not necessarily make it bad for you. There is little doubt that many GMO foods that ARE bad for you, but it is highly unlikely that all of them are. Whether or not that is true, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, nor would all your bleeding-heart friends.

So let's start here.. Uh that is the POINT.. we wouldn't know which were and which were NOT moron... So if we go by your assinine "logic" we'd be guessing which were and which weren't or worse.. they wouldn't be required to labeled and we wouldn't even know WHICH ONES WERE GMO AT ALL. Superbly brilliant of you so far. lol. There are no guarantees but a nice label MIGHT give me a choice so that I can say "No thanks" and thereby acting upon at least a somewhat "free market" decision.

2) Using the force of government does not protect the people or protect liberty, especially when alternative means are available.

In some cases it can... even Dr.Paul wanted to go after Bin Laden within the confines of the Constitution.. Booya bitch!!

3) Monsanto's practices are loathsome, but that does not make all GMO food bad. You think them despicable, but you think they will label accurately and not use government to their own advantage? Their representatives are in government!

That's the chance I'll have to take because I'm not willing to take my chances with GMO's.. as you clumsily point out.. MANY of the GMO's are BAD... Yes I'm sure there's a GMO out there that we can all love. (rolls eyes)

So back to your hypocritical claims that in this case "gubbernment mean bad but u onwy use it as little possible but in dis case it no good"

STFU moron.

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1) So you admit with

1) So you admit with government labeling you will STILL not be able to distinguish between foods that do not present a health risk and those that do? And you clearly have no interest in distinguishing between them. No matter what, labels or not, you are either going to be guessing or you are going to seek independent research. Perhaps you will buy no foods that have even come within ten miles of GMO foods. No problem there, either, that's your prerogative, EXCEPT that not everyone can afford to buy organics and those are, without a doubt, more expensive. So now what? Your legislation will not help the poor people distinguish between good and bad foods for them AND you will have driven up the cost for them. Good job.

The other point you have never once addressed is that there are ways to accomplish what you want outside of government. All you have offered is laziness and uncreative solutions because you feel that your idea might be the majority, and you will take full use of that tyranny just like so many others in this country that we on this site criticize regularly. If you don't trust free markets to provide goods, services, and information for you, fine. Do not pretend. "Oh, this time I'll make an exception because it's too important." Failed logic. That's the same reason we keep bailing out car companies and we are facing ObamaCare. Nobody is safer, everything is more expensive, and you don't have a coalition of the WILLING.

2) Your point #2 is much more Boo than Ya, and your language is that of a boorish thug (this is what usually happens in debates when someone is running out of ideas). Dr. Paul voted for the authority to go after bin Laden under pretenses of national security, authorized by the Constitution. You are using this as an example of what government should do, but look at the boondoggle it has turned into!! This favors my argument more than yours. This use of force has cost tons of money and made us less safe. What you also fail to mention that Ron Paul was the only one educated and creative enough to suggest another means of achieving the objective: he also suggested Letters of Marque and Reprisal.

If you want to go the government route, you could always try the time tested, government-suggested "duck and cover" technique to protect you from harm. It got us through the cold war, right?

No pudwhacker..

I said there were NO GUARANTEES.. that means we MIGHT <------ see that word.. Look it up..

Putting words into peoples mouth is the work of a coward. That would be you. And like a jerkoff you keep passing over your hypocritical stances.. You said we should use government as little as possible.. by YOUR ADMISSION we should then use government but like a true moron, you're here trying to defend your position as if it still has legs.

Number 2? My points stand and your too intellectual dishonest to admit it to a boorish thug that you're flat ass wrong lol.

The States have the power to do this and if we didn't go to the necessary evil what good would they be? We might as well just get rid of all governments right? Ahh I can see it now.. You are probably gonna swoon with joy over the idea that we might have no government whatsoever. Even the Founders thought that government was needed. They laid it out in that way..giving States powers just like this.

Sure he suggested other ways but what do you think Letters of Marque and Reprisal are... love notes? He has said many times that congress should declare war.... should congress now not do what it's supposed to do based on the authority given it by the people?

Dude your arguments are sad and shortsighted. In your own mind you think you're making sense but there are so many holes in what you're saying, it could be mistaken for a sift.

You're actually railing against an action that's well within the confines of the Constitution lol.

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the more the people trust the angels of govt to keep them safe

the better the chance that laws outlawing backyard gardening will be passed... I can hear it now, "who needs backyard vegetable gardens? the gov't makes the corporations give us safe food, its very strict standards at the fda." Kinda like mandatory vaccines for public school kids; they can opt out if they can prove that they're basically Amish living in civilization.

apparently bdog is rich and

can afford to have all his food tested. He doesn't care about the harm it does to the minions, he's only about himself.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Apparently you don't

Apparently you don't understand the basic foundation of liberty and also the fallacy in your comment.

You propose that I have more money than the averaged man to be able to have my food tested. No, my very argument was to keep GMOs because they were cheap!.... Your very language and idealism is that government should pay for these tests. The government gets that money from you and me. Even if I consent to not ever use that label, I will still be paying for it.... This is the basis of why we are utterly PISSED at the government right now!

*palm face*

I would have to disagree...

I would have to disagree... genetically engineered food doesn't make it bad for you. This is a misconception. It does make it cheaper though, and I would much rather have cheaper food that goes against the dogma and "mortality" of it. I don't see much of a difference between "natural food" and regular food besides the price tag.

Maybe I don't know the real difference, maybe you can elaborate. Something that is really a health risk please, no speculative assumptions.

Correct! A genetic engineer

Correct! A genetic engineer could, for instance, replace the inefficient C3 photosynthesis genes with the more efficient C4 genes and receive better yields, feed more people for less money. Both are naturally evolved processes. Using seeds from only the corn that produces the most oil (selection) is a form of genetic engineering. That doesn't necessarily mean the result is bad. I'm not defending Monsanto here -- not one little bit. I'm pointing out that a lot of people around here automatically freak out when the term GMO gets thrown out there without any further study into the issue.

you have no idea what you are

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show

Independent analytical

Independent analytical agencies. Do you need the government to tell you which car is the safest or which microwave to buy? No. Are there independent ways to check the purity of your water? Yes.

If the consumer values the knowledge, the free market will provide it. We don't need to achieve safety through force.

Typically, a person doesn't

Typically, a person doesn't buy 20 cars a day, but might easily eat 20 or more different ingredients in each day's food. Even if busy mothers take a laptop to the grocery store and attempt to check out each ingredient in each and every can, package, etc., they would not have enough information to research every one. Also, at the same time she is shopping and researching each ingredient, she is making sure her 2 yr old doesn't break anything, and is trying to get it all done before the ice cream melts. Monsanto pretty much has us over a barrel - we must eat their gmo food whether we like it or not. Unless we are one of the few aware like myself. Usually, I do not eat ANY processed food. Nearly all my food is purchased at the farmers market. I buy mostly from organic farmers. I do not buy corn or soybeans because all corn and soybeans in American are now GMO. The tainted corn and soybeans have now cross-pollinated with the unadulterated organic corn/soybeans. One day (if things don't change) I too will be eating GMOs because there will be no food left untainted. You might have guessed, I'm in favor of requiring the labeling of GMO foods. Recent studies show GMO foods can cause severe liver damage and early aging, etc. There is a lot of information available regarding damage caused by GMO foods.

I think you sorta missed the

I think you sorta missed the point. You don't need for the mother to break out her chemistry set and become a geneticist or a food scientist. The point is that independent agencies will sprout up that will assay the foods FOR the mothers who are shopping without the mothers having to figure it out for themselves. Have you ever consulted "Consumer Reports" or any of the many car rating companies that do extensive testing on vehicles? You don't need to buy 20 cars per day. Independent companies will do that work if the consumer values the knowledge. You are arguing that the government can keep you safe, and I am suggesting they are incapable of doing so.

Well until it becomes a free market, we're all going to

get fucked in the current corporate state.

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Yes, but I would like to

Yes, but I would like to point out that the consumer can still get f*ed in a totally free market. The advantages, of course, are that it is a more fluid dynamic where corrections are allowed to occur, where innovation is fostered instead of stifled, and that the free market is the only type of market capable of sustaining individual liberty.

No bud, you've never been fucked like this..

Getting your watch stolen because you dropped it off at the wrong jewelry cleaners isn't even in the same ballpark as getting the food and water you need to live screwed up so badly that you may not be able to find anything good to replace it.

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This is the argument that

This is the argument that captures the imagination of many socialists. Where do you draw the line?

You've probably heard it a million times, but I truly believe that Ben Franklin was correct when he said something to the effect of "Those who would sacrifice liberty for temporary security deserve neither." The older I get, the more the founding fathers make sense to me. I thought they were just old men who didn't know anything of our intelligent modern culture when I was growing up, and even into college a bit. Oops. My bad.

I decide to draw it wher I decide... and I don't give a rats ass

how much Monsanto has paid you to look out for their best interest.

Your quote has no place here. Even the Founding Fathers were cautious about corporations and bankers.

Nobody is sacrificing Liberty and nobody expects a guarantee of security. Try and keep perspective.. We're talking about a label and the States looking out for the peoples interest at the request of the people which is what we pay them to do..

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Wow, you started out debating

Wow, you started out debating intelligently, and you have now devolved into mindless drivel. I guess we should stop debating.