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Connie Mack vs Bill Gaylor? (Florida Voters)

Connie Mack has been endorsed by Rand and Ron but Bill Gaylor seems more obvious from a liberty standpoint. Connie Mack seems to support the drug war, keeping troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and supports sanctions on Iran. He has some good votes with exception to foreign policy but does anyone have more to add regarding Bill Gaylor who has stated he believes in Austrian economics vs Keysianism and generally falls in line with liberty views on domestic, freedom, and monetary views.




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If I lived in Florida.

I think I would vote for Connie. His penny plan seems the least painful way to balance a budget.

Corny Macaroni

I just can't vote for a guy named Cornelius Harvey McGillicuddy IV. He's even my Rep.

Nope. Can't do it. Mostly because of his warmongering, though.

He voted against the Libya

He voted against the Libya intervention and for the Kucinich resolution to withdraw immediately.

Connie, like Rand, supported

Connie, like Rand, supported the unanimous consent requirement in the Senate for a Libya No Fly Zone.

Do you have a source for

Do you have a source for this? Are you talking about S. Res. 85? Was there even a vote in the House about that?
Was that even about a no-fly zone? Did Rand even attend the Senate vote on that?

I have watched his record for years.

I really think he shaped up his record when he decided to run for Senate. I do not trust him.

We shall see what he does in the Senate, if he wins.

and for.....

perpetual endless war in Iraq, Afghanistan!

Dagny
"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

No place to go but up if Bill Nelson is defeated

I like what Gaylor says about economic issues, but don't have enough info on his foreign policy to know how he would vote on ending unconstitutional wars and closing Guantanamo. I have concerns about Mack, but like some of his positions (below from Wikipedia): "Mack is a vocal supporter of cutting federal spending and lower (sic) taxes. He is a signer of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. Additionally, he is a co-sponsor of a constitutional amendment to require a balanced federal budget and has been one of the most outspoken opponents of federal bailouts. Mack also has been a prominent advocate for greater congressional oversight of government activities related to surveillance. He voted against George W. Bush's domestic eavesdropping program in 2006 and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Reform in 2007.[17] . . .

Unlike many members of Congress, Mack has been a vigorous and outspoken defender of the whistle-blowing site WikiLeaks.[20] Mack has said that although Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange "are no heroes," he believes there needs to be more transparency in government, and that he opposes any "attempt to suppress information from the general public."[21]

Cutting federal spending? A

Cutting federal spending? A couple of days ago he was whining about Obama's phoney "defense cuts" and called for a bigger navy. You can't be serious about cutting federal spending and leave the military off limits. Period.

Connie opposes the Patriot

Connie opposes the Patriot Act and NDAA too. He also voted against the Ryan plan a few times and called it a "joke" that "doesn't balance the budget for years".

Given the choice between Nelson and Mack, Mack is by far the better choice.

Apparently, you didn't hear

Apparently, you didn't hear him on Hannity whining about Obama's "defense cuts" the other day. He went on and on about it. He is no friend of small government.

The choice is not between Connie Mack and Nelson...

that is the point of this thread.
Why would those, who are of the mind of peace and prosperity ...... NOT be pushing a man such as Bill Gaylor? .... or are we back to the old "compromise your principles, and vote for the lesser of two evils" discussion. I know he has some good votes... but he has a lot of bad votes too.... should we become like 'Campaign for Liberty', and ignore the Foreign Policy discussion?

Also, as far as my research finds, he MISSED the vote earlier this year on Ryan's budget! (convenient!... He was supposedly "fundraising" in Florida.) Also, Mack say's, he never said the budget was a "joke".... he said that the "process" was a "joke", and that the "senate had not passed a budget in over three years". His campaign is very buddy, buddy with the Romney Campaign.... also making me skeptical of his intentions and loyalties.
I could see voting for him, if Nelson and Mack were our only choices.... but they are not, so why should we compromise anything.... Compromise? That's how we got into this mess in the 1st place!

Dagny
"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

I think in a races without

I think in a races without liberty-leaning Republicans, libertarians should support the Libertarian candidate. I think that a libertarian who thinks Lindsey Graham or is the lesser of two evils is very wrong.
This is a close race and I'd much, much rather have Mack than Nelson. He's a lot closer to us on many of the issues than Nelson is. If he's good enough for Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano, he should be good enough for us.

He flip-flopped a little on the Ryan plan (just like Amash), but his most recent statements show that he opposes it. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/oct/29/bil...

I don't see what you mean about his campaign and Romney's campaign. Isn't Rand Paul also close to the Romney campaign? I think Mack should be judged on his House voting record, which was much more pro-liberty than that of most of his colleagues. You can support Mack without supporting Romney, they're not running mates.

Are you asking people not to think for themselves?

"If he's good enough for Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano, he should be good enough for us."
It would seem that Mack is a good candidate BUT it seems in terms of those leaning toward liberty that Gaylor is obvious and does not have a suspicious history. Also, Dr. Paul hired Jesse Benton and thus has his faults like all men. I recall some other questionable candidates being sponsored as well. But if the question were put to the good Doctor regarding Mack or Gaylor I am quite sure, based on the evidence he would choose Gaylor. Did Gaylor ask Dr. Paul for his endorsement?

Dr. Paul receives hundreds of

Dr. Paul receives hundreds of requests for endorsements from Republicans, Libertarians and Constitutionalists. He only endorses a select few, generally those who have a chance of winning their race. For the federal races (with the exception of the presidency), Dr. Paul almost always endorses Republicans. Paul's known Mack and Rehberg for a long time in the House - and unlike Benton, they are political candidates, not campaign managers, so the only campaigns they can sabotage are their own.

There is a clear choice here - if you vote L, then you do not affect the race and as Nelson is polling ahead, you allow him to be re-elected. If you vote R, you have a much greater chance of preventing his re-election and you get someone who agrees with at least some of our positions instead.

I understand your viewpoint, but how far would you take it? Voting for a Libertarian over Kurt Bills because Bills endorsed Romney, would raise taxes if there was a spending cut and supports the Ryan plan? Voting for a Libertarian over Amash because he's too friendly with Paul Ryan and supports free trade agreements? If a more 'pure' Libertarian opponent was present in these races you could make the same argument.

This seems to be getting down to the key disagreement

that we are dealing with in the Liberty Movement today (and perhaps this should be a separate post on it's own). There are those of us, who were drawn to the movement based on our 'stubborn morality' and 'principles', and those that are willing to compromise what we all at once stood for, to make a place for themselves in the Republican party..... or perhaps believe that their compromises will actually lead to some form of change. Connie Mack will use us for his votes... and then do as he pleases, as they always do. His "leanings" are irrelevant to me. I love Dr Paul, but I do not follow him blindly... what he, Judge Nap, or Rand say hold interest for me, but are not the final say in my vote or donations. I will leave you with a Quote from Ayn Rand that I am fond of:

"The world you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it's yours. But to win it requires total dedication and a total break with the world of your past, with the doctrine that man/women is sacrificial animal who exists for the pleasure of others. Fight for the value of your person. Fight for the virtue of your pride. Fight for the essence, which is man/women, for his sovereign rational mind. Fight with the radiant certainty and the absolute rectitude of knowing that yours is the morality of life and yours is the battle for any achievement, any value, any grandeur, any goodness, any joy that has ever existed on this earth." John Galt quote from Atlas Shrugged

Dagny
"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

I'd vote for Connie

I'd vote for Connie personally if I were a Floridian, but only because it's such a close race. I'd much rather have him than Nelson.

I believe this might be one of those

vote for someone who can win and unseat the way more evil one, Bill Nelson. Nelson is establishment to the core. The guy makes me want to puke.
I believe Mack has shown to have somewhat of a backbone. Maybe Rand/Ron knows something about him we don't?
I don't know. I was going to vote for Mack...I didn't know Gaylor was that liberty minded. I did some research but didn't find that. Thanks for posting this...now I'm torn.

Top Ten Contributors Connie

Top Ten Contributors Connie Mack
Elliott Management $30,841
21st Century Oncology, Inc. $19,000
Florida Crystals $13,500
Rooney Holdings $12,500
Adam Corp. $10,000
case automotive group $10,000
Ici Homes $10,000
The Villages $10,000
Adams & Diaco Pa $10,000
Peace River Citrus Products, $10,000

Bill Gaylor has only 1 donation listed
Contributions Received $4,076
Issus Supply $500

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As a side note

An email, subject heading: "Elect Connie Mack!‏" Touting many good things that Mr. Mack has done but again sidelines the foreign policy issue is being circulated amongst Republicans via a known and involved head in the Florida liberty movement. Is this full on backroom deals or a subjugation of the liberty movement drawing back to the convention. This lends credence to what Tom Woods was saying about the C4L avoiding foreign policy.

Link to news piece on Bill Gaylor...

FYI

http://www.examiner.com/article/gaylor-goes-after-connie-mac...

Dagny
"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

I second this!!

Confused as to why many in the Campaign for Liberty movement are pushing Floridians to vote for what appears to be another Neocon Statist such as Connie Mack? I know Ron Paul has endorsed him.... can't figure this one out... especially when there is another option (Bill Gaylor), much more aligned with the liberty mindset!

Dagny
"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

I would ignore the "good doctor" on that one.

Surely, Connie was one of only 22 members of the GOP delegation that voted against Boehner's budget sellout; however, he was also one of the first of those loosely classified as "liberty" candidates to endorse Mitt Romney.