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The Best Way Forward

Some recent arguments that have been raging on the Daily Paul include whether we should vote for Johnson or write in Paul and whether we should take over the GOP or focus on the Libertarian Party. I have my views on these and most everyone else does but I think one move that not many people here have proposed and most of us can get behind is simply this.

Look at how we ourselves were converted. Some of us were in 2007 and most in 2012 yet most all of us were at some point either liberal or conservative. How were we woken up? By hearing a logical argument that was backed up by facts and history. So here is what I am getting at, if we dedicate our time and energy into talking with people around us and trying to convince them we can get a whole lot more done then getting involved in distractions that only divide us.

I am not saying that we should not dedicate our time with the political side but simply that most of the American people are fed up with all parties and all politics that most I believe would respond willingly to such an anti-establishment message as that of the liberty movement.

I want to thank-you for reading this and clarify that I know a lot of people have spent time talking with friends and acquaintances and I am not saying that no one has already done this but rather that it would be more productive to focus on this rather then arguing over less significant things that we should make our minds up personally.

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Very true

Educating those within our circle of influence is so important.

This morning, my mom called. She's a stalwart Romney supporter and refuses to accept anything negative about him (she's not in a battleground state, so her particular vote won't make any difference one way or the other), but because I mostly focused on issues instead of person-attacking, she's learning. For example, she told me today that she's voted against two amendments that she realized would give the government more power. She credited it with me putting up articles on Facebook reminding people of the dangers of having too strong of a government and of all of the corruption that happens in it.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

(2¢) Always vote for the candidate that best fits your values

even if you have to write them in or leave the ballot blank.

Fight against the logical fallacies, such as the false dichotomy fallacy, that are used to stray the minds of the people into believing that the race is always between two statists. Can you imagine the shock people would have if the "wining" presidential candidate got 0% of the popular vote?

Never take the "news" at face value. Truly it is fun to find the (likely deliberate) fallacies, falsehoods and lies.

Help others but don't judge them.

Share how you came to know the message of liberty and from where.

Take ownership of your mind, e.g. http://growingliberty.com/mindfulness

Be positive and enjoy life. :-)

Here's my two cents

It should not end with Ron Paul. I think it must still have a grass roots effort and for us to win county and state public offices and RNC / DNC / LIB positions. BUT, I also think we will need to overwhelmingly push for the following in some manner all while still spreading the message to friends and family every chance we get.

1. Real alternative media needs to go mainstream.
2. Several 'REAL' Liberty candidates running for President.
3. Dissolve the Presidential Election Debate Committee, thus allowing a real multi-candidate debate.
4. For the talk radio junkies, we are going to need more Liberty host like the Mike Church's & Judge Nap's etc
5. Most all of the incumbent Congressmen and Senators must be ousted by REAL liberty candidates.
6. Change the rules for Independents running to gain funding, ballot access etc..

When you see Judge Nap or Ben Swann take O'Reilly's spot on prime time FOX, then you'll know we have turned the corner.

7. Go back to hand-counted paper ballots....

with representatives from each party counting each vote.

My sentiment exactly....

Becoming allies is the way to move forward....

http://www.dailypaul.com/260562/what-is-the-plan-for-2016-if...

All we need is to win more hearts and minds.

If only we could all get behind an ad/video that condenses all the best points of the principles of truth,freedom and peace in a clear and concise manner,I think it could go viral nationwide and worldwide.All we need is a great short video and the focus and determination to promote it.Maybe have donations that are strictly directed to promote said videos.Personally,I will no longer give money to campaigns unless it is to DIRECTLY buy airtime for an ad that I believe will win people over.But we could all promote such a video ourselves on facebook,twitter,youtube etc. without having to ask anyone for money.I am convinced this strategy would really work.I think it is ALWAYS good to win more people over,no matter who wins the election. Anyone got a better idea? I'm all ears.

I agree that we need to win more hearts and minds...

I agree that we need to win more hearts and minds.

However, I think that our strategy needs to be multi-dimensional,
and continual. Videos, emails, conversations, editorials,
call-ins to radio programs, lectures, conferences, debates,
etc. need to happen--again and again.

We need to be continually persistent.

There are lots of ideas and techniques here:

http://www.FreedomWorks.org/files/ActivismToolkit.pdf

Please consider this idea.

We get one or two great short ads/videos that promote our shared values of truth,freedom,and peace.Maybe have a few quotes of Ron Paul in there.Then we have a money bomb only to DIRECTLY purchase airtime for said ad/video.We vote with our dollars on which video is best.Then we have a "time bomb"(lol) where we all donate our time and focus our efforts spreading the video on facebook,twitter,youtube etc.Keeping it front page on the DP would surely help.Then we fine tune our efforts to make sure we are winning people over.And as long as we see it is working,we NEVER stop.With the right videos and a united effort by us,I am convinced this would work.In my opinion,this how we win.

okay, so when all of my

okay, so when all of my friends go to vote in 2016, are we going to be stuck in the same spot we are now?

We Hold these Truths to be Self-Evident

... but for the majority of the population, they are still not.

Other than (lack) of education to be independent thinkers, mass media propaganda and indoctrination ..etc .. why?

What is the root psychological reason so many people are so hard to reach?

To oversimplify:

There are two kinds of people in this world.

1) Those who learn by reason, and personal evaluation of facts

2) Those who learn only when it looks like enough 'other people' believe it.

Unfortunately those in #1 are relatively few.

While those who are basically in #2 are many.

Many of us on this site watched, listened, studied from a variety of different sources. Once we took in enough evidence to satisfy us, we started making up our minds.

It didn't take a lot of 'other people' - friends, family, co-workers (ie. the herd) - believing whatever-it-was - before we felt ok with coming to our conclusions.

The larger majority of the population that are in category #2?

These people really only respond - and new truths "sink in" - when enough other people around them keep repeating the new "reality" over and over and over again ...

This is called social proof.

Most people need a whole lot more of it than we do. Some people insult them by calling them "sheep". However, this derogatory term does not mean they're (necessarily) inherently dense or stupid.

They are merely a different personality type that needs a different kind of evidence in order for them to start making the right decisions and being a part of a solution.

This is why it is so important that (as the OP has wisely pointed out) that each one of us continually talk to people in our surroundings, everywhere, as is appropriate to the person(s) and circumstances.

Because bank on this:

More and more people are catching on to the things that have been self-evident to us for a long time now.

They've already been hearing it from different people and different circumstances, possibly many times before you talked to them.

But many of them are still on the fence - trapped in cognitive dissonance - fear - denial ....

Simply because they have not heard it from enough people

So keep talking. Wear T-Shirts that strike up conversation.

No need to be annoying or "that guy" or girl that will never STFU about "that economic and political stuff".

Do it in your own way. But KEEP IT UP

--
Tip:

Telling sarcastic jokes when people start talking about the elections, Republicrat / Democan stuff, War on Terror ... or whatever the media has been pumping their heads full of ... is one of the best ways I have found.

Make a sarcastic joke and laugh about whatever the topic is. Often that is the icebreaker that will start up an actual conversation (happens to me all the time)

Lately I am surprised how many people that had just been regurgitating the latest false "talking points" ... will suddenly laugh and start agreeing with me!

But 5 minutes later they start repeating the same false crap. Like a sleepwalker that you jarred awake, and then fell back to sleep.

These people need to hear it from 10, 20, 30 or more people before it finally sinks in.

Don't give up. Do your part

Absolutely! This has got to be the best post I've seen

on the DP in months. I've recently gotten involved in my local College Republicans chapter and am planning to get involved in my local Young Republicans and Tea Party groups. I strongly believe that the Tea Party is the most viable way forward in getting strict Constitutionalist, pro-liberty candidates elected to office.

But, it has become obvious, most Ron Paul supporters have become disenchanted with the political process. One thing we can all agree on is that the American public needs to become educated and informed. That's something we can ALL work together to accomplish whether we vote Libertarian, Republican, Constitution, or never vote at all. Whether it's making a YouTube video, blogging, writing articles, writing books, or just talking to a neighbor; if we can all work towards educating the American public on free market economics, sound money, the Constitution, a pro-American, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, the political aspects will eventually fall into line.

The Progressive Movement didn't win the hearts and minds of American voters by building a party, they won the hearts and minds of American voters through their pens and mouths.

You're right about the progressive movement.

It wasn't at all thought building a party. Former Congressman Bowers shows, exactly, how they did it: http://www.dailypaul.com/260270/agenda-grinding-america-down...

By the end of the documentary, this chart becomes apparent: http://agendadocumentary.com/store/karl-marx-chart/

As I said on another thread... Personally, I don't necessarily agree with the *opinions* of all those interviewed, BUT the well-documented CASE that former Congressman Curtis Bowers lays out with respect to communist plans that have been in place for decades already (to bring down the U.S. from within) is irrefutable.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Your rank positivety

is noted.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

most of the citizenry will wake up when -

their literal behinds are placed in Kamp FEMA !

nothing worse than dealing with those that will not SEE !
our nations blessings have lulled the masses to a stupor
now, it will take tragedy up close and personal for most to awaken !

I still think that people can

I still think that people can wake up before our country gets to the point you are describing. You had to wake up at one point, right?

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