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Tom Mullen: Gary Johnson at America's crossroads: Is government inherently evil?

TAMPA, October 28, 2012 – Nine days before Election Day, Americans are hunkering down into their traditional Republican/Democratic camps. Supposedly, the future of American society rests upon which corporate-backed candidate wins the presidency. Americans of the past would have regarded this as complete nonsense.

In late 1775, the shot heard ‘round the world had been fired and the American colonists had Boston under siege. Still, most Americans either favored reconciliation with Great Britain or were undecided.

Then, in January 1776, Thomas Paine released his instant bestseller, Common Sense. It is this pamphlet that is credited with persuading a critical mass of American colonists to support American independence from Great Britain. In it, Paine laid out his arguments about the role of government and why the British constitution failed in fulfilling this role for American colonists.

The very first plank he laid down in his argument was that government was evil.

“Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil;”
Paine, Jefferson and other founding fathers recognized government for what it is: the pooled and organized capacity for violence of the whole society. This idea comes straight out of John Locke’s Second Treatise on Civil Government. There is no law, no matter how minor, that is not ultimately backed up by the threat of violence.

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Won't U join me

in 'wasting' your vote for POTUS?? It feels so good.

I Believe Centralized Government Is The Most Evil...

Government is necessary. That is true. And that is why it must be as limited and small as possible. This is why the constitution teaches the right of the states to act independently from the government. I know State governments can become corrupt but stupid decisions that a state make has two positive effects. It's decision doesn't effect the 49 other states, and it teaches the other states what does work and what doesn't.

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Disagreement

Government also regularly exercises justice.

Hence the essentially neutral apparatus can be easily dominated to operate ethically or unethically.

IMO however, the current political status is seeing the logical ends of unprincipled laws such as taxation and counterfeit. May freedom, truth and justice prevail while evolving towards ‘prerogative’ governance: public agency by choice.

Disagreement

Government also regularly exercises justice.

Hence the apparatus can be easily dominated to operate ethically or unethically.

IMO however the current political status is seeing the logical ends of unprincipled laws such as taxation and counterfeit agency. May freedom, truth and justice prevail instead

Missliberty

I'll buy that. Thanks for your opinion.

dave anderson

endorsement!!

Why is RP not endorsing GJ?? Can anyone give me the answer?

dave anderson

He Doesn't Want to Run Our Lives

Dr. Paul does not want to tell us what to do, and he trusts us to decide for ourselves.

Besides, the only people who would vote based on his recommendation are people who hero-worship him, a trait that is responsible for the mess we are in. We should never worship our elected officials and leaders, and Dr. Paul is made very uncomfortable by being worshipped.

I suspect he won't endorse anyone at this late date, since many people are voting already. I also suspect how he'll vote, but that's his business.

Do a cost-benefit analysis from his point of view. Be the endorser, yourself. He does not want us to write him in, that much is clear. We had to push him to even run, and to stay in to the end. He's very realistic.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

One issue voting again?

I don't like the "Fair Tax" that GJ is pushing. BUT
that leaves
Vote for Obama and get the same as we have had for the last 4 years OR
vote for Romney and get the same as we have had for the last 4 years.

Oh yea, I can also "write in" Ron Paul - even though I know he will not win and my entire ballot will go in the trash.

No, GJ is not perfect, neither is Ron Paul. Is he better than the other choices? I think yes and will vote for him, if Oklahoma does not manage to keep him off the ballot. Otherwise I will not vote for the president or vice, and only vote local issues.

Moot Point

The Fair Tax, which is a HUGE improvement over the Loophole-Micromanaged-Lobbyist-Manipulated Income Tax (and which would replace it and several other federal taxes), will never pass Congress until we revolt.

So, don't worry about that.

I have to admit, as much as I don't advocate taxes, the Fair Tax removes Congress' ability to nit-pick who pays it, because, since retailers become the tax-collectors, there won't be any questions asked about my income, my charity-giving, whether I own a house, how many children I have, what my investments are, and all the other invasions of privacy Congress requires in order to collect the income tax.

And, if I don't want to pay it, I can avoid paying it, by not buying things. But I still can earn as much as I want, without having to think about giving the Feds a cut.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

I do agree with you about

the fair tax. But I don't like any "income" taxes. They are not constitutional. And I'd rather have a fair tax than either Obama or Romney in the white house!
I was just pointing out that NO candidate is perfect (even Ron Paul), but why kick someone who is better than the two MSM candidates? Especially if your complaint is a few issues that you don't agree with. Add up the issues you dislike about each candidate and then vote for the one with the fewest! But, don't cut other people just because they don't agree with your choice.

wow

What is with all the posts recently .....all he comments...divide and conquer seems to be working great.

Now I'm feeling even better about my vote!

Gary Johnson 2012

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

You know what pawnstorm12

I just came home.

Came home with a big smile on my face...still wearing shorts...

You know what.
I will wear my shorts all winter!

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http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

bump

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

This will always be the dailyPAUL

Gary Johnson is as much a liberty candidate as Romney is constitutional conservative. You can throw words around all you want, but there is a reason Ron Paul has reached so many people. And if you can't understand what makes Ron Paul so different then I feel sorry for you because you're right there with the Obama and Romney supporters. You really are. And just as oblivious.

Tiresome nonsense...

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Tell me

Why GJ is bad?
When in 2007 it was Dr. Ron Paul who was actively seeking an endorsement from Gary Johnson? (he got it)

Was Ron Paul stupid?

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

It's been explained to you and your ilk many times...

why GJ is bad. Not only have you all refused to listen, you've censored the truth and smeared us repeatedly.

Now it's just a lost cause. Hold your nose and vote for your beloved liberal (or, in your case, hope people do so while you're sitting in Canada), then pat yourselves on the back for pretending to advance liberty. Just know that you cast your vote for a fraud.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Really?

You still going with that? 2007? Really?

How about this year, when Ron Paul pretty much told Johnson to get stuffed when he come looking for an endorsement?

more Gary Johnson spam

When will it end on the dailyPAUL? He is nothing like Ron Paul, but he sure has managed to convince a lot of people otherwise. I am so embarrassed that so many people on this site are no smarter than Obama or Romney supporters.

WRONG!

This is not the Daily Paul. This is the Daily P AU L. This is not only about Ron Paul, it's about all things pertaining to liberty.

It used to be The Daily Paul.

It used to be The Daily Paul. Then hey changed it to The Daily P AU L. Technically it was made for RP supporters.

Oh no

This is very much still about Ron Paul, he's not even running, yet is still getting attacked.

We are all here because of Ron Paul, so yes, this site it, MAINLY about the teachings and philosophy's of Liberty that Ron Paul has introduced us too.

I will be living by Ron Paul's philosophy's , policies and example of integrity, for the rest of my life, At least I will try!

I dont trust Gary, and still see him as someone trying to draw the attention away from Ron Paul, do you understand how many millions where spent simply to keep Ron Paul and his idea's out of the minds of as many as possible?

I am allowed to have this view, and should not get attacked for it, If people want to attack people for not trusting Gary Johnson, insteaed of explaining why we should, then they deserve everything they get in return.

Liberty

Thank you.

Liberty has many names.

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

And none of those names...

feature "Gary" or "Johnson".

I don't play, I commission the league.

I am getting TIRED of this...

some of the same group of people who attack ANYONE who says ANYTHING favorable about Gary Johnson forgive Ron Paul for letting Jesse Benton and John Tate run a hapless no-win campaign. Well, the ultimate responsibility for the failure of a campaign falls on the candidate himself. Thank goodness Johnson IS "nothing like Ron Paul," since Johnson obviously knows how to run a presidential campaign.

Johnson would be doing much better if the public had used "frontier justice" on the Committee on Presidential Debates when the court did not do its job and had Johnson been forced for so long to stand in Ron Paul's shadow. Where was "Anonymous" and "Occupy Wall Street" when Johnson and Stein needed them and where are all the great "defenders of liberty" now?

With this "Johnson bashing," you are throwing away your last opportunity to be relevant in this year's political process.

Thank you Bob

I could not say it any better my friend.

Status Quo is terrified of a good showing for the Gary Johnson Judge Jim Gray ticket.

Bob there is something the media is not telling that people should know: GJ still has two pending lawsuits going on -- they were not suspended or ended -- 100 million dollar lawsuits against the evil mafia: the dems gop cpd...

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Paragraph three doesn't match

Paragraph three doesn't match traditional American history at all. (ie traditional means not modern, Marxist history).

The Revolution had already been going on for almost a year, since April 19th, 1775, and the two people known as the firebrands of the Revolution were John Hancock and Samuel Adams.

Both were inflammatory writers. John Hancock is known for the number of such documents he attached his name to, and the British set out to arrest them on April 19th, 1775 - celebrated as patriots day, for that.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Thomas Paine was a socialist

FYI - my talking about Marxist rewriting of history above wasn't just a general comment or that Marxists like Paine because he was an atheist.

Thomas Paine was a socialist. Read his Agrarian Justice pamplet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrarian_Justice

The founders (the actual ones), routinely criticized Paine for being a possible member of the Illuminati or societies related to such - a precusor of later communist organizations - including Witherspoon, Adams, Franklin, Boudinot, Patrick Henry, and many more.

Reading Thomas Paine's socialist pamphlet makes you think they were right.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.