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Everyone Knows What Ron Paul Stands for, No One has Even Heard of Gary Johnson, That's Why Ron Paul Write in Stronger

I want to boil the argument for giving Ron Paul a strong write-in vote in the states where it will count to its most essential elements, in the most rational manner possible. Let us strip emotion from this debate.

A. There is zero chance anyone but Obamney will be coronated. The lefties have a strong candidate of their own, Jill Stein of the Green Party, who has integrity and the courage of her convictions even if you disagree with her politics. Tim Johnson will max out at 1% of the vote or 2% if he is lucky. It is a fantasy to think he will get 5% to qualify him for federal matching funds, and even if he did, it would not represent any "breakthrough" in the two party system. The Greens have already done this, and now have federal matching funds. It hasn't changed a thing.

B. No one has ever heard of Tim Johnson, much less knows what he stands for. In contrast, EVERYONE knows what Ron Paul stands for, because he has been repeating it consistently for years. Any news of a strong Ron Paul write-in vote will trigger people's memory of the Ron Paul message: Bill of Rights, End Middle East Wars/non-interventionism, Sound Money/End the Fed, No Bank-Bail-Outs. There is no mistaking, or later twisting, what a Ron Paul vote means.

C. The Ron Paul message was and is spreading by leaps and bounds. People I know whom I have been lobbying for a year have finally come around to Ron Paul, both liberals and conservatives, and now I couldn't talk them out of writing him in even if I wanted to. WE CAN'T STOP NOW.

D. The Liberty message doesn't transfer. Ron Paul IS the Liberty message. We worked for it, got bones broken for it, were mocked and ridiculed until it took hold. The Ron Paul Liberty message is a stallion charger snorting fire. You don't dismount before the charge and mount an untested nag like Tim Johnson. It makes no sense.

Ron Paul's write-in votes will be counted now in these states, according to state law and to attorney Richard Gilbert's success in obtaining settlements from states who now agree to count the write-in votes. It seems many state attorneys general have no interest in publicly fighting something as basic as counting write-in votes. It makes them look like jerks, and they face re-election like everyone else.



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Don't believe me? Step out onto the street and ask people in this stage of the game...

Have you heard of Ron Paul?

You know... I'm really starting to HATE BEING RIGHT... I would LOVE TO BE WRONG - If Ron Paul won I would GLADLY eat my hat!

WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE START LISTENING TO ME? Look I'm not a "master of persuasion" all I'm built to do is give you the straight, blunt un-sugar-coated truth if you do not posses the emotional shield to perceive what I am trying to say then heck... I'm sorry but that's who I am and I wish I could change it but... man over and over you deal with these people who just think they know everything - all the time - Americans' biggest defect of character overall it seems is that they don't know what they don't know and they refuse to believe they could possibly not know something....

End Rant (for now) I'm goin to bed...

I know enought to know

when I meet someone who does not know what they are talking about. You may or may not be right on this news flash, but you are wrong on this flash: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2811861

GOOD POINT - When people know what Ron Paul stands for they

almost inevitably say - "Hey, Thats how I feel too."

Check with Isidewith.com. MOST people more people are idealogically behind Ron Paul than most would ever guess. And yet they are voting for Romney and Obama.

Its US who know Ron Paul so well - and not Gary Johnson.

So original poster is preaching to the choir.

The paranoia

is getting so dense in some of these threads, you can almost feel it!

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

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There is a battle on for votes on thisi thread

. Of all places.

lol who the hell is Gary

lol who the hell is Gary Johnson? His first name is Tim, stupid.

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Can't disagree more.

Ron Paul IS the Liberty message.

I AM THE LIBERTY MESSAGE. I'm starting to get a little suspicious of all these "write-in Ron Paul" posts. Seems to me most writing in Ron Paul would keep their mouths shut about people wanting to vote third party.

Let's end this CRAP once and for all: A vote for Gary Johnson IS A WRITE-IN VOTE for Ron Paul.


Make your own decision.

Im getting the feeling that this "GJ pushed down our throats" stuff, may have been a ploy to get us NOT to vote for him?

Make your own decision people, and understand their are people trying to upset the libertarian apple cart, Follow your heart and do what you feel is right!, If you want to send a message and are not in a state that counts write in's, perhaps vote for Gary Johnson, if you want to vote on Principle and can not fathom voting any other way, write in Ron Paul.

If you can not in good faith participate, then dont.

Each to their own!



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i read as far as TIM

then stopped,i figure we should be able to make
our points without distortions of truth

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Someone has changed the title of this from "Tim" to "Gary"

entirely without my permission. Whoever did please change it back, it's part of the gag, which is my free speech to make. You exceed the rights of a moderator.

Original title can be seen in url:


Release the Sandy Hook video.


The Daily Paul is a DICTATORSHIP... it is not a Republic or a even a demon-crazy. Grrrrrrr this ignorance is driving me up a freakin wallllllllll!

Now THATS funny Helen.

Moderator did a great job.

And the url Helen directs us to has also been changed.

You can edit your own posts. Just change it back to Tim.

Put the name in quotes to indicate that you are making a special point.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

No, the edit tab is gone. Which means it is someone with mod

access. VERY un-Libertarian to censor free speech even as far as a mild joke. This shows what Tim Johnson and his followers are really all about: Power, not principle. All this is about trying to get the federal matching funds so they can put their snouts in the trough like everyone else. Paid campaign jobs, media contracts to supporters. It couldn't be anymore UN-Ron Paul-like.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

this place is ran by gary supporters now

you will see them all come out against this for sure.

they will edit, modify and tweak anything and then claim it due to being a private forum.

this place used to stand for liberty and now it is overly modded in a very biased sway towards the johnson camp.

I think the attempt is to make his "base" look bigger than they really are. If gary was LIKE ron paul he would have built his own base many years ago without needing to piggy back off of of Ron.

I think everyone needs to vote how they want


I won't tell others not to vote for johnson, obama or romney but the DP is PRO gary and that seems to be the only goal. Look at legalizeliberty for example, canadian ex mod tom asking that ron paul supporters be deleted and removed while writing more negative things about ron paul supporters including calling all of us romney supporters.

these people can't even VOTE in the US election and they are trying to fix the game, they are killing the daily PAUL oh wait I better break that P AU L up so no one thinks this place ever stood for ron paul and liberty.

this time next year there will be some picture of gary johnson up and I hope a new LIBERTY MINDED forum or discussion board pops up so they can let this one flop into the gary johnson fanboy site it is slowly but surely turning into.

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While I totally agree

that people have the right to free speech, this is not a public site, but privately owned, some forget that.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

I see. The Liberty message is free speech for all until

I don't like it. Why am I getting a bad feeling about this Tim Johnson?

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Since when is the liberty movement solely about

free speech? The Liberty message is imo about individual freedom and tolerance. Now, that does not mean an individual can be invited into some other individuals house and shoot their mouths off calling it free speech. They can go to the sidewalk and do it, but as long as they are in that persons house, they abide by the owners house rules, and how does this have to do with Tim Johnson?

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

On the contrary, their action was perfectly in line with Rule #1

See here: http://www.dailypaul.com/guide

Also, pay particular attention to Rule #7.

Excellent post, Sue.

Every one of those points is why I am writing in Ron Paul, but especially:

C. The Ron Paul message was and is spreading by leaps and bounds. People I know whom I have been lobbying for a year have finally come around to Ron Paul, both liberals and conservatives, and now I couldn't talk them out of writing him in even if I wanted to. WE CAN'T STOP NOW.

This week alone I have convinced a few other undecides, who were considering staying home, to write-in Ron Paul. The comparison sheet and videos do wonders.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Awesome, write-in Ron Paul.

Totally agree with that. Wish I lived in a state that recognized write-ins, but going to a state over this weekend with Super Brochures for the write-in campaign.

Take these www.3StepsTowardFreedom.com to assist Ron Paul in becoming our next Commander In Chief. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-480OMya3U

Good reason to vote for Gary Johnson

We all realize I believe that we are involved in a dilemma which requires a long term solution. We simply don't have the numbers of people to succeed in the short run.

We are also not all of one mind on a couple of issues of significant importance to many of us whether it is the abortion/right to choose issue, or certain domestic issues such as taxation, or foreign policy issues such as maintenance of military bases in 130 countries.

But we are perhaps of one mind on the issue of adherence to the Constitution, auditing and abolishing the Federal Reserve System, limiting the power of the Federal government.

Ron Paul drew our attention to these issues which are generally ignored and not discussed in the elections these days.

I happen to think that our best chance is to do a number of things.

1- each of us should read certain books so we can operate on the same basis
2- support Students For Liberty and Young Americans For Liberty which will grow and energize the younger generation for years which will enable us to be more influential in the future.
3- vote for Gary Johnson now so he can get the 5% needed to qualify for matching funds in 2016. this will facilitate ballot access for libertarian candidates and give them the funding necessary to reach the electorate with our ideas.

I live in Massachusetts where Obama is running ahead 63% to Romney's 32% So a vote for Gary Johnson makes more sense than voting for anyone else.

Given that there are probably at least two million Ron Paul/Libertarian supporters it is conceivable that if each of them recruits one more person to the movement each month and continues to do so the numbers will grow exponentially.

I think the growth within the students for liberty and young americans for liberty will grow exponentially and even though they start with just a few thousand members it would not take too long for them to get up to the millions. Do the math!

I think it is much easier to recruit young people to our pro freedom movement than trying to convert true believers who are supportive of government intervention now in one way or another.

We don't have to reinvent the wheel. The ideas of Ayn Rand and Ludwig von Mises and others already are in existence. the Atlas Society has already allied itself with the Students For LIberty.

take heart. we are on our way regardless of the outcome of this election. But your vote now for Gary Johnson will help the Libertarian movement. We will resolve differences as time goes on.

No Man's need constitutes an obligation on the part of another man to fulfill that need.

Now you're just being disrespectful and asinine.

Did you like it when people said "Ru Paul who?"

No, I don't think so.

I'm not a Gary Johnson fan, but this tripe you posted above is "conduct unbecoming" a Paul supporter.

You should know better.

What an embarrassment!

Oh come on...

There is nothing at all wrong with making a case for writing in Ron Paul while wrapping it in some comparatively SUPER-mild humor for a political topic. Lighten up.

I think you are a secret GJ supporter (not that there's anything wrong with that![seinfeld reference])... :p

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Nothing at all wrong with making the case.

But yes, there IS something wrong with doing it in such fashion. It is very disrespectful both to the candidate and his supporters.

It really pissed me off when people did it to Paul. I'm not a Gary supporter, but I don't think doing to others what we didn't like done to us is the right way to go about life.

As well, it seems her post, thus her case, relies upon this "joke."

She's detracting from her own argument by doing it that way.

So what? That has nothing to do with the fact that purposefully

stating the wrong name is disrespectful and asinine.

If you don't like it just skip on to the next thread, sonny

I am a free woman and I don't take or welcome your browbeating. You should know better than to try to tell a free Ron Paul woman what to do. I'm not your soldier and this is not the Army, under your orders and regulations. Sit on it.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

I'm not ordering you to do anything. But I'm eqaully free to

call you to the mat for poor behavior.

If you don't like people telling you that your behavior is uncalled for, disrespectful, or asinine, then don't behave that way.

You have the right to behave like a donkey, and I have the right to call you out on it.

Don't like it? Leave. And you can take Gary with you too. I don't have any use for him.