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The Atlantic: The End of Laughing at Marijuana Reformers

It was Dr. Paul who opened my eyes on this subject and though this article doesn't mention Dr. Paul (which it should), it does a good job of explaining a basic fact: the majority of the public is fed up with our marijuana laws and something needs to change.

"Voters in Colorado, Oregon, and Washington will decide on election day whether to legalize marijuana in their states. All three initiatives have a chance of passing, and two are ahead in polls. In Massachusetts and Arkansas, voters may legalize medical marijuana. And last year, a Gallup poll found that a majority of American voters supported legalizing marijuana for the first time.

The political taboo against marijuana has been fading for awhile. When Bill Clinton admitted he'd smoked weed as a college student, he felt the need to add that he hadn't inhaled, and observers still wondered if it would cost him votes. Barack Obama admitted that he did inhale as a teenager. Yet his personal history with narcotics hasn't stopped him from presiding over a draconian War on Drugs and responding to several questions about drug reform with jokes."


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I'm somewhat split on this issue.

I hate to see this get legalized for the common reason of "We need the revenue" as many will use to rationalize it. When, exactly, has any government stream (local, county, state, federal) EVER shown it can effectively utilize greater income? Additional taxes generated to the tune of one billion/year will most likely be beaten by two billion in increased spending. The revenue stream generated will be met with excuses to spend more, and we all know government is already too bloated and this will give it greater reasons to continue it's burgeoning growth.

Second, we already have issues with irresponsible use of alcohol and driving. Another substance could make matters worse. There will be more use of it when legalized. I abstain because I am subject to random testing for my work. Same with my wife. Both of us, if it were to be legalized and end the employment testing, would use it on a recreational basis, though we are responsible enough not to drive after mind-altering substance use. There is no guarantee others would act similar.

But I hold the legalization issue as a greater personal liberty issue than the drawbacks contained with it.

humans are lazy thus always look for shortcuts

Instead of providing value through hard work...people chase it via lotto...gold...stock market...are all get rich quick schemes....shortcuts

For health...pills...stupid diets...etc

Well like snake oil and magic beans...MJ is touted as a magical awesome shortcut to health...energy...manufacturing material...etc.

Pulease stop the lazy insanity.

I'm for legalizing it,

but it's overhyped.

God made snake oil

according to you.

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I still laugh at them.

I still laugh at them. The whole movement is still a bunch of dishonest stoners who won't come out and say that they just want it legalized so they can get high. They make up a whole slew of medical BS which simply get thrown right out the window when it's heated up. The raw plant has plenty of benefits and doesn't make one high, but as soon as it's heated (cooked into food, smoked, or vaporized) all of its health benefits go right out the window and it becomes something that makes you high. I'd support these causes if they were honest and just said it should be legal because everybody should be allowed to get messed up on any drug they want. I'd support the causes if they were for outright legalization, and not regulation. No behavior should be regulated by government, and if alcohol was de-regulated, I honestly don't think there would be an epidemic of kids boozing. I don't get why you must be 21. At 18 you are supposedly an adult, but not old enough to drink?

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Intentions are irrelevant

Who cares if the consumer wants to eat the plant, smoke the plant, or decorate their home with it. It should just be legal and every individual should be allowed to make up thier own mind what to do with it.. If opening the debate was done by siting medical benefits than that was just us playing game that they started.

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you are a complete idiot.

you are a complete idiot.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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Perhaps it is the residue of

Perhaps it is the residue of the Puritans that prevents such acceptance. Although it hasn't hurt alcohol much. Maybe they just need a company like InBev (Anheuser-Busch) to properly market it to people.

Society is never going to get

Society is never going to get better. Society in general is so emotionally shallow that it actually now does need government to take care of it. We need a revolution with a lot of death (a complete collapse with true survival of the fittest) to turn this country around.

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Although I think pot should be legal

I will be voting no here in Wa.State.There are to many strings attached.DWI,etc.

hu? You are voting no, even

hu? You are voting no, even though you think it should be legal? I cant even follow your logic here. You would only vote to legalise it, if you can't get a DWI when you are high? I hope you think a bit more about this before you vote against other's liberty.

I haven't researched what regulations will follow legalization..

But.... DWI already relates to marijuana intoxication. DWI is NOT exclusive to alcohol. You can be charged with DWI for being impaired from any intoxicating substance whether is be alcohol, Marijuana, pills, Hallucijins, etc..

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James Wilson

While I Completely Agree!

I voted for it. When I read the initiative I rolled my eyes and asked, why don't we tax and control growing potatoes in the same way? Well, I think the answer is simple, government NEEDS money and control of everything and this is a great opportunity.

At the same time I voted for this measure I also vote, in every instance, against EVERYTHING that remotely strikes me as an increase in government power or funding.

About that: there are NO sacred cows.


Change is introduced incrementally most of the time. Salami-slice-strategy. Better vote for something that at least goes into the right direction.

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I've never used any of the

I've never used any of the currently illegal drugs, but only someone in the business of building prisons or supporting police unions might think cannabis should remain illegal. It's insane how we, the people, allow Washington to tell us how to live our lives. Legalize it and stop locking people up.

You most likely have used some of the currently illegal drugs

For example, did you ingest any DayQuil before 2005?

It used to contain pseudoephedrine, which worked well as an decongestant and as a mild stimulant to keep you productive despite feeling sick. Then it was prohibited by a clause in the Patriot Act and signed by you-know-who.

With a fight you can still purchase pseudoephedrine 'legally,' but you will go on a watch list. A guy came into a pharmacy I was in the other day asking innocently for some Sudafed, and the uptight pharmacist looked at him like he was carrying a chainsaw. If you obtain more than the ridiculously low amount the government allocates to you, you will go to jail.

Now DayQuil contains phenylephrine, which doesn't do diddly-squat for the symptoms its supposed to treat. Isn't government great?


I have some kind of occasional allergic thing that messes with my inner ear and gives me unpleasant vertigo. The ONLY thing that works for this is real sudafed and not that stuff they'll try to sell you instead. My pharmacist who has known me for years stocks it and actually got his hand slapped for being real and not requesting photo id and signature for 60 pills. I guess people used to go from place to place getting as much as they could to bring together in a meth lab.

that being said.. growing up and living in California I'm fairly familiar with the pot issue.. In the last 10 years I have seen more kids than I like to think about sitting around town squares stoned out of their heads and pretty much unable to carry on a conversation... what does that mean? I don't know but it doesn't make me happy for them.

I'm eligible for a card but I don't have one because I don't know what that means for me as a "citizen." *cough* I do know that I'm totally functionally crippled by the stuff that is out there now tho. *cough cough*

I agree that people should be honest in their reasons for wanting it legalized. all the good things and some way of addressing the not so good.

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Great to see this article in the Atlantic

Thank you for posting this.

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