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Scientists offer quantum theory of soul's existence

A PAIR of world-renowned quantum scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul.

American Dr Stuart Hameroff and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose developed a quantum theory of consciousness asserting that our souls are contained inside structures called microtubules which live within our brain cells.

Their idea stems from the notion of the brain as a biological computer, "with 100 billion neurons and their axonal firings and synaptic connections acting as information networks".

Dr Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, and Sir Roger have been working on the theory since 1996.

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A professor challenged God to a man making contest...

God's reply... "Go get your own dirt dude."


Okay this

is where they lost me:

In the event of the patient's death, it was "possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body indefinitely - as a soul".

I've studied EET (electronics engineering technology) and can understand their notion of the "brain as a biological computer". I'd actually agree with that. Even their suggestion of how the soul exists is interesting and I don't have a problem with. But the above is going too far.

First, you can't have information without a reference. Let me give an example. This site the Daily Paul shows on your screen because of digital information that traveled by wire to your computer. That digital information is represented by binary, or 1s and 0s. You can represent 1s and 0s different ways. For example, in electronics a way to do this is by supplying or measuring +/- 5 volts. A voltage present is 1 and no voltage is 0. CD's or compact discs do this differently. The 1s and 0s are "pits" marked on the media so that a laser can "see" if there is a pit (for 1 or 0) or not. The point is either way there is a reference.

In the case of digital voltage the reference is simply ground, and the presence of voltage or not. In the case of CD's the reference is the physical disc the pit exists on.

What the above is suggesting is the same as saying you can have the pits that are on CDs giving you information without the CD, or the voltage readings exist without reference to a ground - or said in layman's terms, connecting only 1 wire to a battery and expecting power.

When you are alive the "soul" as they suggest could be referenced to the biological matter of your brain/body, so I can agree with that. But when you die and that energy leaves the body then there must be reference to keep the information meaningful, otherwise there is nothing to relate the energy to, i.e, it is no longer formed information.

The only thing that could support contiousness

outside of a reference, in this case a live, human body is metaphysics. The soul would have to be a reference in and of itself.

did you know that the 1's and 0's are N/C an N/O?

normally closed and normally open? I suppose the coil was the gate back in those daze.
yes, there needs to be a basis or referance point.
I hope to meet you one day. have you looked into plasma?
interesting stuff.....


I know that switches can be used to represent 1s and 0s. Transistors are often used for this.

I'm not an expert on plasma, although I don't see how it's any more interesting than other phenomena in the universe.

Plasma is the 4th state of matter.

there were 3, now there are 4. solids, liquids and gasses were the first 3. now there is a 4th. it is above a gas and defined as a stream of ionized particles. the sun is now beleived to be made of plasma.
transistors took the place of relays. not the other way around.
I believe an ordinary flame is plasma.
fun stuff, just trying to share friend. not be a know-it-all.

There are 5 state of matter

Don't forget the Bose-Eisenstein condensate.


If you count Bose-Einstein, then you're beyond the 5 basic. There may be around 22 if you get crazy and divide them out.

Bose-Einstein condensate
Fermionic condensate
String-net liquid
Supercritical fluid
Degenerate matter

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

if a solid turns into a wave, how does that create a new class?

something is fishy here and my BS detector just went off.
have those results been confirmed? I am unsure and do not know.
I am aware of when it was announced. around 95 I am thinking....
the DP is getting more fun everyday!
good call.

My basic understanding of our universe changed with plasma

You guys seem to be the sort to enjoy interesting scientific inquiry. I was thrown for a loop when I was first introduced to the Electric Universe theory as presented by the great folks at Thunderbolts.info in their documentary series entitled: "Symbols of an Alien Sky".

See http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/

I've been a science geek since the original airing of the Star Trek series and these guys really have stood my world on end.

The integration of their hypotheses with discharge plasma physics is the sort of thing that gives this geek goose pimples.

By the way, Rupert Sheldrake will be lecturing at their conference in Albuquerque, New Mexico which runs from January 3-6, 2013.

I'm not taking

offense. I'm enjoying the conversation :)

A cool thing about the rEVOLution is it's an intelligent one. As a commenter said the smart people support Dr. Paul ;)

You're right about transistors being commonly used. In fact, AFAIK, transistors are used for 1s and 0s at even the smallest (most advanced) levels. For example, in microchips rather than having solid state transistors, the equivalent etching (as far as voltage/currency is concerned) in the silicon is made to represent transistors (and resistors, capacitors, etc. for that matter). Quantum computers I imagine do something similar. So, yes, transistors are certainly used digitally.

But that's not the only way to get 1s and 0s. A person holding up a hand or putting it down can represent a 1 or 0. Similarly, 1s and 0s can be represented as I described with CDs, voltage, or as you point out with switches. For my example, I chose to talk about voltage because I thought it would be understood better.

That does make plasma more interesting for me. Thanks for sharing. A glance on the subject at wikipedia says lightning is a plasma, and also that plasmas are great conductors. If you're right about ordinary flame being plasma then that would make things even more interesting for me.

Electronic flame rectification circuits.

work on the principle that a flame can conduct a current, but only DC. that was how the idea occurred to me.
I do not know as much about electronics as you do.
but I have been dealing with them since the days when a "computer" was just a motherboard with cards.
a micro processor is really just a configurable relay assembly.
I am not trying to sound like a know it all, I don't.
but I have watched my industry move away from electro-mechanical controls to electronic. please share with me what you learn about the properties of plasma. if the new theories about it are correct... then it makes sense to me that mebbe plasma produces matter? and if the sun is made of plasma, then plasma can produce gravity? Ok, now this is fun!
I think you did a good job of sharing your hard-won information.
and THAT is how the r3volution will succeed.

I don't represent Ron Paul supporters well.

You people are way too smart for me! lol

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Physical Reality

It will always come down to the Duality of Man...the Physical and Spritual Realities. We exist in the Physical Realm, and we do what we must to explain it as best we can.

This quatuam theory of consciousness is very interesting, as is how scientists keep drilling further and further down into the atom. This all great information relating to our physical world.

However, the spiritual realm cannot be explained in physical terms as it exists outside of our physical reality. Our "soul" if you do believe that we do possess a soul, represents the Spiritual, hence the Duality of Man. The physical body exists here in this physical plane of consciousness, the Soul resides in the Physical body, and the Soul is connected to the Spiritual Realm.

Until such time or if at all, they can reveal the Spiritual realm, we will only have physical answers to the so called mystery of the Soul.

We are but a "drop" from the Ocean of Consciousness.

It's a little light on

It's a little light on details.

"Scientists" have no cogent definition for "space"

In fact they have ciruclar definitions for that and also time, energy and matter which each depend on the undefined others, that take them round in tiny circles headed toward disappearing up their own anuses.

They ignore the millions of stories of out of body experiences which ahve the common factors of "I saw" and "I thought". They never say "my body perceived my soul near the ceiling". The spiritual being is separate from the body and is the only thing that perceives and thinks.

What if there were a process by which the spiritual being could make pieces of matter disappear and another by which he could create, out of nothing, something which others could perceive? Would that be enough for anyone to realise that there are undercuts to Newton's "absolutes" so universally worshipped?

Morgan Freeman-narrated documentary "Through the Wormhole"

Mentioned in article.


The entire Through the Wormhole season 1 and 2 series.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul


I will state that because of quantum physics that endless government spending will result in bankruptcy :P

I will give them the point about the brain being like some sort of bio computer. It is definitely a video camera :)


Lets consider the source here.

Dr Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, and Sir Roger Penrose.

One is a professional psychobabbler and disciple of the Medical Industrial Complex, the other is a Knight in the Queen's service.

And they want me to believe they found the physical location for that part of me which is beyond this physical plain?

The title was tempting, but I think I'll save myself the time to read what they have to say. I need my sleep - the cows want fed in the morning whether I know where my soul is or not.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

says you

one who spells pain wrong and does not edit it.

Physical PLANE

Oh know-it-all.


I told you I needed my sleep!

Don't know why that drew the "know it all" comment, but whatever. I'd rather you share your insight than your incite.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Qauntum theory is based on the cosmological constant.

or lamda. if you want to know more, read the first paragraph.


you are right to call BS on this one.
peace and do be up in the morning!

I read your paragraph and I am not impressed.

Einstein never could accept quantum theory and evidence is increasingly accumulating that many of Einstein's theories are wrong.
Critics of Einstein claim Einstein's greatest gift was self promotion.

Hubble showed Einstein his theory was wrong.

at least on one point. the man himself went back and made a correction to it. it is called lamda. and is the basis for...
what part did you miss?

Hubble made the error, Einstein did not catch it.

As Einstein demonstrated an observer cannot distinguish between gravity and acceleration.

Hubble believed he was seeing acceleration but he didn't consider that he was looking through the gravitational mass of the universe. Not a small oversight.

How does entropy fit into this you ask? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=XDAJinQL2c0...

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Gravity affects optics?

that in itself is interesting... especially since we cannot define either one. gravity or mass.
it gets hard my friend, after you discover that you have been lied to.
I am looking forward to going back to these subjects. I am still trying to find balance with the Liberty effort though....
Liberty has been lost...and apparently on my shift.
that is not acceptable to me.

Liberty precedes prosperity.

Liberty is the only public good.

Maybe liberty was't lost just misplaced and misunderstood?

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"Liberty is the only public good."

well said, clear and concise.
it may also have been intentionally obscured.
this is truly an amazing time to be alive. I suspect that there are many "bones" in our public closet. and they are about to come tumbling out.
meanwhile, back at the Ranch...


The South Sea Bubble of 1720

I was cause by the Central bank of England, massive government fraud and a whole bunk for marks.

Pamphlets exposing the corruption were popular reading in pre-revolutionary days.

When did the Land of Opportunity become than land of corruption? Maybe when government took over?

I thought I'd hitch a ride:

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