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Ron Paul Should Have Endorsed Gary Johnson

Ron should have endorsed Gary just based on his stellar record of fiscal conservatism as Governor of New Mexico.

This election isn't about social issues like abortion, it is about fiscal conservatism and civil liberties! Gary Johnson has a superb resume and is just as qualified to be President as Ron Paul.

I suspect Ron Paul is protecting the GOP and Rand Paul just like he did all year by refusing to confront Romney with OUR MONEY! It's too bad Ron chose to end his career in such a deceitful way. It is a huge stain on his otherwise flawless record of integrity.

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Doesn't GJ want to leave abortion to the states?

If so then aren't GJ and RP aligned on this issue?

Absolutely Not! Time to quit dragging Dr. Paul's Name thru Mud

Let Gary Johnson stand on abortion on his own 2 feet & leave Dr. Paul out of it.

Ron Paul introduced Sactity of Life Act at the Federal Level in 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_Life_Act

The Sanctity of Life Act would have defined human life and legal personhood (specifically, natural personhood) as beginning at conception,[7][8] "without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency."[9] By contrast, the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 amended 1 U.S.C. § 8 to provide that legal personhood includes all Homo sapiens who are "born alive".[10]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr1096/text

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How is it that Gary Johnson and Ron Paul support the same idea

when Ron Paul believes life begins at conception and introduces such legislation.

and Gary Johnson believes that murder of human life is acceptable up until viability and supports the supreme courts rulings as such instead of removing the determination from the supreme and district court jurisdiction?

RP & GJ are not aligned on the abortion issue.and Gary Johnson is not within the same framework as Ron Paul on abortion. That is so far from the truth it would be laughable if not so sad. If Gary Johnson supporters would like Gary Johnson to be president that is fine. But I wish they would do so without dragging the Good Dr.’s name thru the mud with their candidate.

Let Gary Johnson stand on abortion on his own 2 feet.
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Listen, if the MSM...

If RP was the Republican nominee, the MSM would treat Ron Paul and the Sanctity of Life Act the same way as they treated the comment made by Todd Akin and Paul Ryan where any abortion should be illegal, even through rape. They are eviscerating the female vote with this position. As much as I believe in the RP act and taking federal funding away from any abortion, it's a hot political potato best left "up to the States" to decide

Preparation through education is less costly than learning through tragedy

Gary Johnson: Quit hanging on to Dr. Paul's Coat Tails

on the abortion issue. Let him stand alone without using Dr. Paul's name.

Are you advocating:
Political Correctness???

or

Principle?

with your Todd Aiken comment? I am going to vote for Todd Aiken regardless of msm badgering. I am a female, my vote is strong for life. If someone needs to buy votes at the price of dead babies, that is not someone I am going to support.

When Dr. Paul says speaks about a shot of estrogen, he qualifies it within 24 hours of rape and with one has no way of knowing if there is even a pregnancy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR9FCCq7j-E
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The act was not to take away federal funding. The act was to declare human life at conception...other chips may fall were they may:

A national level with the Sanctity of Life Act if a person is a person at conception, then the states will decide if they will allow murder of an innocent person. It is termed with the words of "PROTECT the lives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_life_act#Findings

"Section 2(b)(2) of the Sanctity of Life Act further would have recognized that each state has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that state.[11] Such legislative declarations are nonbinding statements of policy and are used by federal courts in the context of determining the intent of the legislature in legal challenges."

Read the bill at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1096: and know what Ron Paul proposed. And know that not a single member of congress would cosponsor the legislation with him: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:hr1096:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ3dGFS8IcA&feature=fvwrel

Ron Paul wants to send it to the states because that will appeal Roe vs Wade. Gary Johnson supports Roe vs Wade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29IQ9G2xAR0

Ron Paul sees abortion as a violent act. Gary Johnson agrees for a doctor to commit this violent act if a woman so chooses and supports the National Law of the Land. Gary Johnson says so at : http://www.vokle.com/events/74213-gary-johnson-ron-paul-revo... question number 37 at 53 minutes. He advocates abortion up until the viability of the fetus, which is about 24-28 weeks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_(fetal)#Legal_definitions. A known life at 24 - 28 weeks is a far cry from a 24 hours after rape shot of estrogen when one does not even know if a pregnancy exists.

Let Gary Johnson stand on abortion on his own 2 feet.
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When I give something to someone

I no longer consider it mine.

Additionally, who are you to say what this election is about? I will not betray the unborn with my vote for a man who says he stands for liberty but is willing that those who up until the point of "viability" can be violently destroyed and evicted.

I side with the Champion of Liberty Dr. Ron Paul who says "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

Should not the most vulnerable and voiceless within society see liberty?

Pretty sure its the pro-life issue

I still struggle with that myself. More generally his lack of Christian faith. However he is still by far the best national candidate and I would vote for him, if only to build support for third party candidates.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Build

a 3rd party that fails to see the truth of Liberty?

Ron Paul said: "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

Murder of the unborn...legal crime...what do you call those who commit legal crime? Criminals? What kind of criminal? A legal criminal because their crime of murder against the unborn is unpunishable because it is legal.

You support legal crime for the sake of a 3rd party?

Oh boy Bear not the legal crime thing again!!

Haven't we already had that discussion? Starting to feel like you're stalking my every comment to see how many times you can say 'legal crime' in your response! (4 times in that one, nice going)

I don't support legal crime, because it doesn't mean anything.

I think electoral success for Johnson would raise awareness of critical Liberty issues, and in that regard continue the work of Ron Paul. Of course he's no Ron Paul, but the unique strength of the Liberty movement is that no two leaders are the same. They are all individuals with different focuses. In Ron Paul we have one of the all-time great American statesmen. We cannot expect that standard among all of our leaders, if we do the movement will wither and die in the absence of anyone to keep it going as they will all fall short of meeting the incredible standard set. I would prefer others to be in his position - as the leading national Liberty candidate in this election, such as Chuck Baldwin or even e.g. the amazing Ben Swann. But we have Johnson, and we could do worse.

In the event that Johnson actually would be in a position to become POTUS, I would share your concern about his lack of Christian values more. As it is a vote for the LP is a protest vote, that if successful will raise awareness. As such I think it will do a more effective job than writing in Dr. Paul.

Who are you going to vote for and how, Bear?

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Now come one

I couldn't resist. No I am not stalking your every move. I just happened to see your comment below mine and had to make a friendly dig. I hope I did not rile you up too much. I am not a stalker, so please do not think that. I didn't even vote your comment down...just touching base with a "sparring friend." :)

Anyways...I am still struggling with my vote. It most definitely will not be for Gary Johnson because I want that 3rd party...that Libertarian Party...to get the message loud and clear that I do not appreciate a bait and switch on Liberty. There are many other issues I do not agree with Johnson on.

My mom told me never to date a guy I would want to marry...I think I will carry that wisdom over into voting now that I am somewhat awake.

I will probably cast my lot toward Virgil Goode because I would rather marry him politically than someone who calls themself a Liberty candidate but does not understand the essential protection of life as essential to protecting Liberty.

I will stick with the Good Dr's words: RP says "Unless we understand…we must protect life, we cannot protect liberty."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAsLPrnJGc&feature=player_em...

I would vote for Ron Paul, but we have sore loser laws in MO. I still may, but it would probably get my whole ballot tossed out. I haven't decided for sure yet what I will do. But I have decided what I will NOT do.

Have a good one :)

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Left out NOT!

My mom told me never to date a guy I would NOT want to marry

Ha ha, no worries!

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Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

The only stain I see

is the one you've made here, LL2.
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LL2?

Are you saying he's Legal or are you saying he's acting like Legal?

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on the Endorsement issue

Ron Paul is running in the Republican Party, Gary is on the Libertarian party. According to GOP rules is it against the rules if a member were to endorse anyone other than the Republican Nominee, which is why MSM keeps asking if he will Endorse Romney.

As for his statements, its pretty obvious a Vote for GJ is a wonderful idea. One of the best things about Ron Paul is his supporters, and yet the worst thing about Ron Paul, are his supporters.

Those who make Peaceful Revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

If there is no right to life,

there is no civil liberty.

you forgot

"in my opinion."
It is lovely how you wish to protect "the unborn" but not so lovely how you would deny a fully grown, consenting adult her right (and this is a right because she can just grab it, it is hers - the fetus cannot "just grab" its life, it still belongs to the mother.)
Now, there is my opinion, right next to your opinion. Nothing changed, no one here read what we said and changed their mind. So why don't we agree to disagree, and focus on what we agree on?

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

haahahaha little LL i see

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little LL i see

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coulda, shoulda, woulda..

he didn't!

ever wonder why?

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There's a reason for that!

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9/11 Truth.

SHOULD have could have would have

No is my final answer, Ron Paul or no one.

sovereign

I think it is a party thing

Ron Paul is also not attacking Romney for any of his criminal acts of his business dealings or during primaries.

Maybe he knows that he doesn't have the stellar fiscal record

he claims to have.

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If Dr Paul isn't indorsing GJ

there is a good reason why.
Maybe he knows something we don't.

Yeah he knows it would hurt his son's political career

Ron has compromised his supporters for the sake of favoring family members several times in the election. Hiring Jesse Benton for one and then not going hard on Romney because it would be bad for Rand. Meanwhile we all sent in money for the RON PAUL campaign, not for fucking luke warm Rand.

If Ron didn't have this misplaced overloyalty to family members, when they themselves don't have loyalty to Ron's principles, we could have accomplished much more. For example, in reference to the criticisms of Gary Johnson by libertarians that he's not libertarian enough: We could have conceivably had an open dialog about that and Ron himself could have helped make Johnson more informed. Johnson says he looks up to Ron so he likely would have listened. But instead he stays silent and basically pretends like Johnson doesn't exist. When Johnson himself was big enough to say VOTE FOR RON PAUL INSTEAD OF ME in the primary.

LOL Our Money

If you donate to a campaign, it's not your money anymore, it's the campaign's money. If you want your guy to win, stop posting on internet boards and start knocking on doors.

All issues are interconnected.

Life, liberty, property.
If you're weak on one you're weak on all. It's like standing on a 2 legged stool.

I support Ron Paul's choice

I will be voting for Gary but I support Ron Paul's decision to not endorse anyone,he wants us to make our own individual decision.

It is an enormous simplification to speak of the American mind. Every American has his own mind.

~Ludwig von Mises

It isn't about us.....

it's about all the attention his endorsement would have given Gary in the news which would have attracted others to give him a look.

Gary is an excellent liberty candidate, Ron asked millions of us to endorse him and we did, don't you find it a bit arrogant that he isn't willing to do the same?

I do.

So because millions of us decided of free will

to back someone we believed in he is now obligated to back someone you believe in?

I think you have things a little fucked up.

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Never said the word obligated....

It is just my opinion that his endorsement would have advanced the cause of liberty and brought a lot of attention to a candidate that holds many of the crucial beliefs essential to restoring the republic.

That's all.