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Vote Or Die! What if we HAD to pick a mainstream candidate?

As the horse race draws nearer I thought it might be a good time to hold our second roundtable discussion on the topic that no one can get enough of, the Presidential Election. The inevitable question, “So who are you voting for?” seems to keep popping up as Election Day approaches. My “political” blips on facebook, or the content of 80% of my bar conversations has a lot of people under the impression that I am “sooooo into politics.” Nothing could be further from the truth. I LOATHE politics! The only thing that trumps my dislike for such nonsense is its passionate following by people I otherwise consider intelligent. I find it astonishing that 2 large special interests groups that have taken absolute control of our federal, state and local governments can garner such passion from rational individuals. So naturally I am a bit annoyed when people ask me if I am going to vote for Obama or Romney. For one it makes me think they might not be reading my blog. But more importantly, I am frustrated that voters still think there is real choice between 2 readymade figureheads from the controlling duarchy of the Republican and Democratic organizations. People tend to struggle understanding what I mean when I reply that I will not perpetuate the charade of choice by voting for party puppets. They, much like I used to, have bought into the idea that there are 2 visions, the Republican or Democratic ones. It’s like a law to most people, there’s up and down, hot and cold, and red and blue.

This is how we are introduced to politics. There’s a conservative and liberal side. Never mind what those words mean and pay no attentions to the facts, the Reds are conservative and the Blues are liberal. The absurdity of this is clear, but for some reason it has not changed anything. People still think there are only 2 organizations that represent the entire philosophical spectrum of governance. So to give the people what they want, I thought it might be a fun exercise to force the issue in a hypothetical conversation where we, like most, believe these are the real and only choices for America’s CEO. To be clear, we, at least I, will not actually be voting for either of these two jokers. Most likely I will either; write in Ron Paul’s name, Vote for Gary Johnson, or simply abstain from the Presidential election process. But as so many have informed me, that’s just not fun conversation. It pains me greatly to even pretend to play the game I’ve been passionately been calling shenanigans on for years, but what the hell. So given the new constraints, and before I make myself sound like a hypocrite, let’s hear who you gents would vote for?


Well thankfully this scenario is purely hypothetical, as it would go against every moral fiber of my being to actually vote for one of these two crony-capitalist-fascistic-socialist ne’er-do-wells. As we’ve discussed at length in the past, there is virtually no substantive difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney policy wise. Sure, they might have slight ways in which they tinker around the edges differently, but tinkering around with 1% of the budget isn’t going to do a load of anything with hundreds of trillions of unfunded future obligations and a Federal Reserve with the power to print money at will. So far, the biggest difference between Obama and Romney on the economy and budget seems to be that Romney wants to cut Big Bird, and Obama doesn’t. Some choice!

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A Republican Congress...

..needs a non-Republican President to keep it in check, otherwise we'll get a repeat of the previous Bu'ushist nightmare (Medicare parts E, F, & G?, No Child Left Unmolested?, TREASON Act 3?, QE Aleph Null?)

Uck Fobama & Ruck Fomney!

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Jeeez...read the whole post!

This is an excercise in which you must choose. We all know there is no choice and most here would choose to " take the bullet" but there is value in the thought process here...preaching to the choir is not necessary, make a choice or don't post.

I choose Obama for two reasons:

1. I believe he is slightly less of a war monger - the NDAA power in Romney's hand is slightly more scary to me.

2. We have a Republican controlled congress - gives BO less power than MR, thus BO is better choice and I am actually secretly rooting for him for exactly this reason :)

Mainstream or death?

The mainstream IS death.

Just ask the millions of innocent people that have been robbed, raped, and murdered due to false flag operations.

If I'm gonna do what if's

I prefer "What if Washington DC happened to get swallowed up by by a huge sinkhole and got all of the peckerwood politicians save a few?"

That's how I daydream.

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I don't respond to emails or pm's.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Kobayashi Maru

I don't believe in no-win scenerios.

And neither do the banksters, they reprogram the machines and the propaganda so they can't loose. They even give themselves commendations for original thinking: Nobel Peace Prizes, Think Tank awards, professor chairs, etc.

If I had a gun to my head...

... and asked to choose which one of the two mainstream candidates I want to vote for. I'd just flip a coin and vote...

I wouldn't like it

But if I had to choose one of the lesser of two evils Candidates it would be obama. We may survive another four years of him. I believe Romney would war Monger us right through Israel into Iran.

I Think I Feel The Same Way

And I can't stand Obama.

voting federally on Election Day is a bullet in your head

that is, if you cast your vote for lesser of two evils.

I will write in Ron Paul. But

I will write in Ron Paul.

But Obama vs. Romney? Unless you are a social conservative (hate gays, abortion), really nervous about Iran (I guess a neoconservative), or economically only care about the really short-term, Obama is loads better than Romney.

Romney's economic plan is just bad math, bad economics, bad facts. And while he could do anything on the other issues, with him comes all the bad people he's made promises to...

I thought about supporting Romney over Obama on the issue of abortion, and the short-term tax cuts. But Obama's math on taxes is much better, his facts are accurate, and even with Romney in office I doubt we'd get actual change on abortion.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

If somebody put a gun to my head...

...and said, "your vote or your life," I would vote Obama. Why? For purely strategic reasons. It would be better for the Liberty Movement if Obama wins because then there will be a Republican primary in 2016, which we have a chance of winning. Whereas, if Romney wins, and chooses to run for a second term, we either have to challenge a sitting Republican President for the Republican nomination (much harder than winning an open primary), or wait four more years until 2020. Secondly, bad things are going to be happening in the next four years in this country, and it would be better for us if those things happened during a Democratic administration, so that the free market does not get blamed, as it would if those things happened during a GOP administration (however absurd and illogical that is, that's how it would be perceived - exhibit A, Bush's laissez faire policies [haha] are still blamed for the current economic crisis).

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Well at least

I know you didn't click the link and read the entire article. That's almost the exact same logic I cited in the article.

As any 3 people stranded on a desert island can tell you...

once you vote you've lost any and all right to complain.

To answer the question, I'd write in my own name and spell it wrong.

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When asked, "If someone put a gun to your head.....

and told you that you must choose between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, who would you choose?" Jesse Ventura replied, "I'd take the bullet."

I'd try to take the gun first

but yeah... Gun to my head and I have to pick between Satan and Beelzebub? I'd rather go ahead and find out what this "God" character is all about.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Today at work

Today a coworker, knowing I'm a libertarian asked who I was voting for. I said I probably wouldn't vote, and if I did it would be either for Gary Johnson or write in Ron Paul.

"well you can't complain then!" he responds. to which I, having only had a few hours of sleep and an empty stomach being a bit testy, snapped back with

"Wait, you're telling me if I don't go to a booth and endorse one of two guys who will start more wars, tax me more and do a host of other things I completely disagree with, and somehow I'm the one responsible??"

He kinda didn't react and then was like "well yeah, good point" and then talked to me about the site a bit.

After a few minutes he left for the day and I took over where he was working, and when I opened my browser I saw that the last search term was for "libertarian".

*Advancing the Ideas of Liberty Daily*

I'd rather die.

I'd rather die.

Southern Agrarian


is taking the easy way out.

Stall until the polls closed.


Free includes debt-free!

I was

driving yesterday and a lady noticed my RP2012 sticker and pulled up next to me at a red light. She asked me if I was going to vote for Johnson or write in RP. I was kind of caught of guard and I said something like, "it doesn't matter I'll probably vote for Johnson, but might write in Ron Paul." She then said, "If Johnson get's 5% he gets
funding." I responded, "It doesn't matter if he does. They'll just change the rules."

The more I think about it

The more I lean towards the answer Jesse Ventura gave to this very dilemma:

"I'd take the bullet"

*Advancing the Ideas of Liberty Daily*

My walk to the voting booth...

Should I decide to go at all...will look like a man on his way to the gallows.