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Final Decision

I will probably vote for Gary Johnson. But I've seen his fiscal record floating around -- you guys know which stuff I'm talking about. Now I'm not sure. What do you guys think? Might be going with Ron Paul now.

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I second

Ignore this comment. See my "I second" comment below.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.


Does this analysis take into account spending that happened when the legislature overruled his veto? I'm not sure if it changes anything but its a pretty big deal.


I appreciate a Romney supporter that signed up to Daily Paul one month ago to link a site that has been an anti-Johnson site from the beginning in order to hurt the Liberty Movement. I saw this site that was linked by a NEOCON at The Blaze a few months ago. Nice try, but I will not change my mind. I was going to write in Ron Paul, but I am for the Liberty MOVEMENT, and I say it is not about one man, but is a war and the election is a battle. Two things that can come about from voting for Gary Johnson, even though I know that he will not win, is the vehicle (Libertarian Party) will gain automatic ballot access in future elections if they gain enough votes, and they will gain money in future elections that could help the Liberty MOVEMENT, and then we can push to have a candidate that is more like Ron Paul, or maybe get Ron Paul to run on the Libertarian Ticket in 2016 (wishful thinking). You guys can do what you want, but I will try to help the movement, and I will not cast a vote that will not help the movement. My Opinion.

I did the same

Voted for GJ. I did feel sick about it because I really wanted to write in Dr. Paul but I live in NY and they don't (as far as I know) count write-ins. I felt like my protest vote getting counted as well as helping try to get the LP federal funding was, from a practical purpose, more useful than voting my conscience.

I second

I second your comment. Not sure about the Romney supporter, but I agree with the reasons as to why we should vote libertarian with you. Even if everything that is laid out about GJ is true. We need a much more visible libertarian party next time around. A third choice is always better than two. Besides writing in Ron Paul doesn't accomplish anything except to make you feel better about yourself. And a vote for Obamney is definitely a wasted vote.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.

Disagree, but...

...I appreciate the reasonable and respectful arguments you make.

That said, I have one big question. Why would Gary Johnson "flip flop" to "ride the coattails of the liberty movement?" What's in for him? Why would you go from two-term governor who could have a future within the party establishment to an outsider who will likely earn around 2% of the popular vote?

Usually, flip flops are strategically TOWARD the popular position, not toward an outsider position. Romney positioned himself as a moderate in MA because that's how MA rolls, then he flipped over to a "severe conservative" for the primary and now acts like a moderate for the general. That's flip flopping, to a T.

It's to fill a seat and take power from that position

Same reason Bob Barr and Root took it last time. It keeps the LP in check.

Same thing is happening to every party that's a potential threat.

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As an LA County Poll Official in my precinct, and that I will...

count MY OWN VOTE at 9PM closing, I will...



Thank you..


~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Goes to show..

that we must vote the person - not the party.

Thank you for writing in Ron Paul. This will help to prove that our numbers are growing and that we will not disperse.

Tuesday, I am writing in Ron Paul and Judge Andrew Napolitano.

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There's some real dumba$$es on the DP nowdays

The ONLY chance this country has is if we introduce a valid third party. Gary wont win due to the exclusion factor in the debates.

His only goal right now is to achieve a 5% vote, because it opens up major doors for the next election cycle.

So go piss away your vote when you had one last chance to make a fucking difference!

Exactly - so many spoiled children - who just want to canonize

Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is great. Thats for sure. But as long as you have a vote - USE IT to get credibility for the Libertarian Party for the future - not to build a monumnet to Ron Paul that nobody will ever even know about (as MOST write in votes won't be counted).

You have a chance to really DO something - so do it.


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ok...i think i will...

and i'll like doing it, too...

what part of ron paul or obombya don't you understand?

5% is a pipe dream!

hope for the hopeless...

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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we need a 3rd party, but there's like 6 or more of them all splitting the very low number of votes that will be cast for 3rd parties.

Maybe you should vote for the Green party then.


proping up a third party

Does NOT make a difference! It only opens up ways for bandwagon-hoppers to jump in and take over as soon as it becomes prominent!

Remember the TEA party? Yeah, the LP will just be like that even if it became prominent. Wake up! The only real change you can make is on local level, getting Johnson 5% won't make a damn difference!

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

I will ship you a shovel to dig a hole in the sand.


The "Tea Party" wasn't a

The "Tea Party" wasn't a party. Ever.

You are arguing

By diverting the issue. It wasn't a political party, that's true. But it was a movement started by RON PAUL. What's more important since it wasn't even an institute, it should be in theory, harder to infiltrate. in cases which political parties ANY individual can call themselves one from that party.

What can you see here? Anyone can claim to be Libertarian, like anyone can claim themselves to be a TEA Party candidate,They both equally can be infiltrated.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

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in 2008...

before it was co-opted it WAS a movement

we havn't gone anywhere

we will not be corraled

we are waiting...to strike!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.


It will become hijacked JUST like the tea party was hijacked as soon as they see it actually has some sway. Glenn Beck calls himself a "Libertarian" something he bashed RP for back in 2007. Neil Neo-con Boortz calls himself a libertarian. Anybody can claim "tea party" now because it has become so watered down. You are totally right- It will become hijacked, and i think they've already made strides in doing so already, i.e Bob Barr.....

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The more parties you have to hijack,

the more difficult it becomes.

If every Democrat registered

If every Democrat registered as a Republican, and every Republican registered as a Democrat... what would you have?

Gary Johnson

Might also be one, It's baffling how many people like him when not knowing his record/turns blind to it.

Right after the election is over, assuming GJ does not get 5%, I am going to make a thread on this issue to turn people's attention to where it can make a difference.

- Occupying the media, the media is the reason why people do not know anything, we need Ben Swann or someone to get programs on a National New program!

- Local Elections for LIBERTY MINDED candidates, time to become the tent

You got it right brother.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

One can't help but wonder if

One can't help but wonder if the write-in crowd will write him in come 2016 as well. And heck, why stop there? Throw in the mid-term elections too. Let's all write in RP to be our mayor, Lt. governor, governor, state senator, and U.S. Senator, city councilman, etc.


...by their reasoning, we should vote for Ron Paul in all elections regardless of whether he's running. Hell, maybe regardless of whether he's alive. Perhaps a 100 years from now the deranged descendents of these people will still be writing-in Ron Paul.

Ya know what, let's follow this out to its logical conclusion. Forget Ron Paul, I'm writing in Thomas Jefferson! Don't compromise, man! Vote on principle! TJ 4EVER!!! :-/

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I will write in Ron Paul

long after he's gone. Because that makes more sense than assuming you have the right to rule by winning an election.