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Final Decision

I will probably vote for Gary Johnson. But I've seen his fiscal record floating around -- you guys know which stuff I'm talking about. Now I'm not sure. What do you guys think? Might be going with Ron Paul now.

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One can't serve if they're

One can't serve if they're deceased.

The only substance to this article

The only substance to this article is the claim that spending went up. This is just a different way of looking at data. There are a lot more factors to it than just the raw dollar amount of spending, and nobody would be able to match what he did in terms of lowering the actual spending. Compare these graphs of theirs to that of every single other governor, and you will find that indeed he is not a status quo establishment candidate.

Romney supporters are desperate! Attacking Gary Johnson with


Um Romney supporters - you SHOULD have been able to beat Obama easily - because he is certainly the worst President we have ever had. But you chose a TERRIBLE candidate because you thought you could shove ANYBODY at us and we would choose him over Obama.

Trouble is - in so many areas you are simply shoving an Obama CLONE down our throats and we are not swallowing.

I voted for Gary Johnson.

I will vote for a Republican, when the Republicans offer us a REAL choice.

Let's be intellectually

Let's be intellectually honest here. All of the anti-GJ crowd is not Romney supporters.

However, one thing is for sure. They are helping Romney.

How would we

Be Helping to "elect Romney" by voting Ron Paul? Please explain that , or are you suggesting we should vote for Barack Obama?

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Not directly

But, you are helping to maintain the false left/right paradigm. Only votes on election day will matter. If the LP can get the 5% - it is the first step in bringing down the GOP and the DNC. If not, then low and behold, nothing changes. Nothing.

No write-ins will be counted for days if not weeks. No protest vote will be noticed. Thus, no chance for some open-minded sheeple to start questioning the Duopoly/Fascist Establishment.

All we have done for Ron Paul for six years now will be gone. All hope of showing the GOP that we matter- gone. All hope of even being mentioned as a factor or a movement in the media- gone. They will just say, "well, the libertarians got 2% of the vote, not exactly a concern for either party".


"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I am going to make a thread about this some time..

Getting 5% votes for GJ does not mean end of the 2-party system. It's not necessarily a victor for liberty, but a victory for the Libertarian party.

Libertarian Party, like any institution, can be co-opted and infiltrated. And as soon as the LP becomes anything significant, the power owners will bust out their money and either lobby or make boost people under the banner of LP that will do what THEY want.

And then, we would have a 3-party system, nothing will be changed EVEN if Gary Johnson gets 5% by some miracle.

The only way to real change is to educate the people around you, and vote for liberty candidates on the local levels and state level. Any institution can be corrupt and taken over, just like the Republican Party, just like C4L, And just like the TEA Party.

And when voting, vote for INDIVIDUALS that are a pro-liberty. Whatever party those people run under, vote for them. Though if we want have a second party, it's best to become the tent of the Republican Party.

EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE and Vote locally, this federal election is meaningless, wake up!

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

I agree somewhat

I think it is important for the sheeple to see that we amount to something. For instance, if Obamba wins by 3% and by some miracle Johnson got 5%, then we would be blamed by the GOP. What a glorious feeling!

I never said it was the end of the 2 party system, but it is a step and in the right direction. (Everyone is exaggerating everything the last two weeks, what is the deal?)

Thinking that the Libertarian Party gaining support is a bad thing seems to be highly illogical. Isn't have 3 parties better than 2? More choices are always better. And, we have the opportunity to be a part of the foundation.

I agree education is the key. I highly disagree about becoming the GOP. It is owned by the banksters, the communists (Neocons), and the military industrial complex. There is no chance.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

There are quite a few desperate Romney supporters slumming

in a Ron Paul forum, hoping to garner a few votes.

They NEED us now so they are here.

In a week they will be back to shunning and ignoring us for another four years.

Most of us - a VAST majority

Most of us - a VAST majority - supported Paul BEFORE Johnson. Your attacks and rude comments only serve to prove my point. You have become the establishment. You are unwilling to hear our voice, you want to shut us out and it certainly isn't to further liberty. Your attitude is, sadly, the prevalent one among Ron Paul supporters it seems. It's a damn fucking shame, because this movement actually could have been something.

Are you drinking?

MY comment was written days before the election.

I was also a Paul supporter WAY before I was a Johnson supporter. But since Ron Paul was NOT a candidate in this election, I chose the next best alternative and supported Johnson.

And there WERE, it seemed, a lot of people telling us to vote for Romney, or to throw our votes away with a nonregistered, not counted write in vote for Ron Paul, BEFORE the election.

How did my support of Gary Johnson as opposed to Romney in any way hinder the Liberty movement?

I would GLADLY vote for Gary Johnson over Romney, or writing in Ron Paul, again.

My reply definitely went to

My reply definitely went to the wrong post... sorry about that. I can see how my replies are extremely warped in this context. I'm not sure who I replied to, but I can't find their comment now.

I was a Johnson supporter, and it was in response to someone who was saying that all of GJ's supporters were not really Liberty activists and came here to promote him and never actually liked Paul, a preposterous notion.

Lies from anti-Gary Johnson grudgeholders

You know they are attempting to undermine Gary in the final stretch for a reason.


You try to argue

A post showing the falsehood of Johnson's claims with a link to Johnson's site... Seems legit.

No one is holding grudges, but you guys(legalizeliberty and you) are causing this BLOWBACK reaction on RP supporters(Or are you suggesting there is something to be holding a grudge for?).

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

oh please

enough with the perfectionism already, we all can agree that GJ is no RP. but he really is the only alternative to Mittens and NObama. and quite frankly I dont have a single shred of hope that the corrupt GOP is ever going to reside with Liberty. so there needs to be a backup plan.

Logic concludes that those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

oh please...

enough of talking down to people who are serious about sound money and non-interventionism. And stop the BS about not voting for Gary Johnson will leave only the option of violent revolution. You are only coming off as an authoritarian sociopath.

Have some very basic respect for people whom, like Ron Paul, their top priorities are sound money and non-interventionism. It's not a frickin' joke or some "option".

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Sound Money and Non interventionism

Only sound money I know is competition. Bitcoins Barter and even FRNs if an individual wants, Im sure GJ supports this idea too. Seriously non interventionism, Gary Johnson would bring the troops home as POTUS.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?


I respect your assessment of the situation. Please be respectful of people who conclude differently. If done from the heart it is just as valid to write-in Ron Paul or not vote at all or vote for Virgil Goode or vote for Romney to stop Obama or vote for Obama to stop Romney or whatever.

Stop beating up people who most likely care just as much about the cause of Liberty as you do but have chosen to take a different tact...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~


Gary Johnson will make no difference, or rather, this Federal election. You really can vote for whoever you like now.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

attacks on Ron Paul

same tactics.

The numbers are wrong.

These attackers are the same people who said Ron Paul was mason and illuminati and his wife Carol was in a masonic group.

Talking about being terrified?
Romney team?

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Shut the fuck up.

Considering you refer to Ron Paul as a cult leader who wants to bomb Iran, you have NO RIGHT to start comparing "attacks".

I don't play, I commission the league.

It's funny, posters just like

It's funny, posters just like you with your record here used to be immediately banned without question. I wonder what has changed?

Too many trolls, too little time to moderate


"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Perhaps I should apply for

Perhaps I should apply for the job. Trolls beware.

He has resorted to outright lies now.

Very nice "smack-down" by the way. :)

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

This thread proves the NeoCons are now in charge of the asylum.

Welcome Romney supporters!

(Its not ME actually welcoming you, but all the thumbs up givers in this thread).

The NeoCons have fully infiltrated, and are hating on Gary Johnson.

(I hope he costs you Romney supporters the election.)

When I vote for Gary Johnson,

When I vote for Gary Johnson, I'm not actually "voting" for Gary, I'm voting to increase the libertarian party.

Remember, it's not about the man, it's about the message.

Yup and I don't like the message

so the message I am going to leave on my ballot is:


Maybe then the Libertarian Party will adopt the Message of Liberty.

Same here.

Some people just cannot understand that I guess.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I can only hope with open

I can only hope with open communication, they will understand the memo, that it is not the man, but it is the message that does not speak to Liberty. For too long I have voted for lies in the form of the Republican Message. I am not going with any partial truths this year...Ron Paul spoke the Message of Liberty. I have heard that message and with a new message does not line up, I am not crossing the line. Not this year. Maybe never again.