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The Libertarian Party is a great party!

As a, since the 2007 debates supporter of liberty, I just want to say that the libertarian party is a great party. I listened to your debates in 2012, I went back and listened to your debates in 1988 and 1992, and I listened to your candidate debate the green, constitution, and justice parties this year. I enjoyed every minute of it. Thank you to all of the libertarian party members for keeping the flame alive. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

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This sounds like...

a hackneyed ad for the Libertarian Party. The same party that I'm a member of, who has embarrassed me and other true liberty-lovers by nominating shills like Bob Barr and Gary Johnson back-to-back.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Dysfunctional underfunded complainers

You can not compete with the government funded / subsidized primaries of the two major parties.

We either take one of them over or we fail. Libertarians on their own always fail for this reason.



Vote the PERSON not the party.

Some of GJ policies perpetuate what I oppose.

I stand by my write-in. For Liberty. And cohesion.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Vote the message

or the opportunity to materialize the message.


A message without conviction is meaningless. Fact.

I never saw on a ballot a place to vote a message.

Vote the person. Not the party. Otherwise, we will never win.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


Isn't staying in the GOP despite Romney, conviction in action?

You never saw a place on a ballot to vote a message and yet you see so many people here voting to send a message..writing in Ron Paul isn't to win.. it's to send a message. It's like rather than being the message in the GOP, you send a message to the GOP from your voting booth.

I think voting the person is what promary elections are all about, general election is about the party because parties have many special interests that need to come together despite the person who was nominated.. I'm seeing it in my GOP. Sudddenly everyone knows my name and I'm a friend.. why? Because they assume to feel as they know I should feel after what they did.. they really don't like Romney, but sure as hell not going to vote Obama, though he may be a nicer person. General Elections are beyond people.. now it's about which corporations are going to get the MIC contracts, not the person.


You are short-sighted:

"You never saw a place on a ballot to vote a message and yet you see so many people here voting to send a message..writing in Ron Paul"

This message is being sent with CONVICTION.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Something you seem to lack

Conviction is more than words.. it's sticking with something even when you lose, going through the punches, taking the hits and not stopping.. but finding a way to win. Your way is not going to win.

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You are free.

The day you decide you are free and act accordingly.

5% of the vote is irrelevant.
Presidential politics are irrelevant.
ALL politics are irrelevant.
IRS, Fed, etc etc are irrelevant.

The day you say, "I'm free", and behave accordingly, you will be.

But for as long as you say, "I want to be free, but I like it when you do X, Y and Z for me", you will never be free.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -

what is not irrelevant

That's all hippie utopian nice and all. But you know what is not irrelevant? Felony marijuana convictions that prevent people from passing background checks for employment etc. to take care of their families. Got a pair of ruby slippers for that? "Free your mind" doesn't open prison doors or clear past records. Pardons and commutations do.


Fancy Shmancy Fine Print:

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You missed the part where I said...

Act accordingly and that as long as you beg them for something then you can't be free.

If you allow them to control your behavior, you are already in a prison. Wake up, and look at the walls.

In your statement, you said basically that you don't want to suffer the system's consequences for failure of obeying their rules.

Stay safe, and under the radar as much as possible, but do what you gotta do. Being free isn't easy. It's hard, but if it is what you want, then simply be free.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -


Not what I said at all. There are some damages that The State has done to individuals that can only be undone by The State, or a complete total system wide failure of data technology and unrecoverable loss of all previously stored data.

Specifically I'm talking about are those currently imprisoned and those who have served out their "punishment" years, in some cases decades, ago and are still paying punishments for their past involvement with illegal vegetables, in the form of being denied opportunities to pursue their dreams for the rest of their lives.

This idea that if we ignore the state long enough it will just vanish and the bombs will stop dropping, and the prison doors will swing open, and the whole world will live in a civilized stateless society, is where I part ways with anarchists. The idea that a person demanding the State release a kidnapped and enslaved family member is somehow themselves a slave on their begging knees, baffles me. Baffles me because it's usually a position taken by those who openly profess a natural right to self defense. If someone is firing bullets at you, you have the right to fire bullets to defend yourself. But if someone is firing ballots at you, you can't fire ballots back to defend yourself, because the state is violence, participation is condoning violence, and voting an act of violence? Bull!

You're right about one thing D ["basically that you don't want to suffer the system's consequences for failure of obeying their rules"] concerning the liberation of prisoners by force of arms. Because basically that's what you're suggesting in your statement; don't participate in the system of violence, ignore it and it will all go away -or the alternative- don't participate in the system of violence, take up arms against it.


Fancy Shmancy Fine Print:


5% of the national vote enables future ballot access and will also trigger an antitrust lawsuit against the Commission on Presidential Debates, the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party.

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2004 was epic.

If you've seen those other convention years then you must see the 2004 convention.

2004 Libertarian Party National Convention

Front-runner Gary Nolan, Aarron Russo, and the long shot underdog candidate Michael Badnarik. Great debate. Epic finish. Watch this teaser first to set the tone before you watch the full debate.

Ron Paul was the keynote speaker.

While you're watching the full convention footage, look closely at the faces in the audience. You might see some of your favorite organizers of the 2008 and 2012 Ron Paul campaigns.

Folks can say what they will about the Libertarian Party. The LP at least follows it's own convention rules and doesn't cheat. You may not always like the nominee in the end, but at least the process was fair and honest.


Fancy Shmancy Fine Print:

I would venture to say

if Ron Paul does run in 2016, I believe it will be on the Libertarian ticket. If that's the case a 5% vote for Gary Johnson in 2012 will be a big boost for Ron Paul in 2016.

All parties suck..

Even the Libertarian party.. case in point - you'd think the libertarian party would have been behind the debate Larry King moderated right? at least have promoted it to their members? Nope ..didnt even send out an email...some state L parties did, but not the national LP...why? because parties suck!!!

Individuals is where it's at in my opinion. I am I, and you are you. I'm done with joining parties.

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