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Attention Californians: David vs. Monsanto Documentary

Watch it now:

http://youtu.be/mSkjnz5eUE4

http://articles.mercola.c...

Californians can view this documentary and learn about GMOs and the intimidation Monsanto is wielding over farmers before voting (YES hopefully) on Prop 37.Dr. Joseph Mercola is being attacked and smeared in negative ad mailers, but he posted the documentary link so people can view it for free before that privilege expires on November 10, 2012.

Percy Schmeiser, a feisty and savvy farmer, battled with Monsanto. In the process he has brought to light not only Monsanto’s attempt to control the food supply, but the pitfalls of any company being allowed to have the right to put a patent on higher life forms including birds, fish and human beings.

29:40 minutes in, Percy explains the damage seen from GMOs. He says GMOs are not based on proven science. “We do not want any more GMOs.”… “The corporations want total control of the seed supply which will then give them total control of the food supply. That’s what GMOs are all about; not more food to feed a hungry world but control of the seed supply.”

The second half of the documentary addresses the quality, technology and science associated with GMOs.

www.percyschmeiser.com/Ar...




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Did you Watch

The documentary? They covered that in it.

skippy

still watching

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How About This Scenario

Let's say that Monsanto's patented seeds make their way onto a guy's farm and mix with his crops. A minute and a half into the video they mention that Monsanto then has the right to those crops. What would happen though if another company had a patented seed that also blew onto the same guy's farm and mixed with the same crops? Would the crops be divided between Monsanto and that other company? I would think that would be a tremendous way to illustrate the absurdity of patenting seeds (life).

Good Point

Wouldn't surprise me if they have that happen all the time and the companies just split the money they steal from the farmers.

skippy

Clintons' Monsanto connections...

2008 letter - to our favorite sociopath:

An Open Letter to Hillary Clinton From a Wellesley College Alumna

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008...

LA Weekly on Measure 37 support

Note the pro-Monsanto shill working the comments section...

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/11/proposition_37_su...

Willl's picture

Inspiring!

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It's 1776 again in America

No Wonder

the elite have built giant seed vaults to keep real seeds in somewhere in the arctic. Monsanto is supposedly also working on seeds that resist the aluminum and other no telling what else they are supposedly spraying to "stop global warming" Yeah right. They are probably spraying stuff to kill real seeds so everyone in the world has to buy their garbage or starve.
Please watch this http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/09/2...

skippy

Paranoia runs deep.

Hope everyone gives for this effort!
BUMP and vote up.
I gave money to the cause for labeling from that site.-
I buy products from the site. Into 'natural' and 'organic"
My charge on my card was stopped.
The fraud dept of my Credit card left a message on my cell a day later that I had unusual , "suspicious" activity.
[ Insert here: Have given money from Politics, organic issues, environmental issues and to animal cruelty. ORGANIC and political are the two most frequent. Not a big sum but felt if everyone did their part, it would at least help. None were 'suspicious' Money is given to senate races in other states. and with RP, the most sustained and large amounts ever. Never was even one of those considered 'suspicious' though the amounts were quite a bit larger]
Of the three cards I have, it's normal to have from 200 to 1,000 in charges on that one by the end of the month. Total of my bill so far [this billing cycle just started and all cards are paid in full every month, paying no interest.] was $62. First they said they had stopped the use of my card because of suspicious activity ....WHAT?... I asked what charge was suspicious? Yep, of 2 charges, it was the one for labeling GMO's. The organization even has 'ORGANIC' in their title, nothing new here. I laughed and repeated the name of the 'suspicious' charge, then was told it was the other charge. [one that is small and is an auto pay every month]They would restart my card availability *soon. SOON? That sounded strange, not immediately? I asked about that and was told I should still use the card, what was charged would be paid. A short 'hold' on payment is just temporary. Is that the norm? I think not. Humm......since the money is needed for ads BEFORE election, *how many others have experienced this who gave to the franken food labeling? Don't think my small donation will make or break the outcome but if doing it to a lot of people's donations? Would have an impact if they can hold up money......you don't think they are in bed together do you? Want to know if I'm just being paranoid. Actually, in today's world who isn't?

Deekey

Ron Paul people violating property rights

Wow Ron Paul people supporting violating property rights.

Mike

As the "freedom movement"

As the "freedom movement" grows, people with little or no exposure to free market principles, individual rights and small government are exposed to these concepts for the first time. "Freedom" for a liberal Democrat or a conservative Christian Republican means something very different than what it used to mean to a Libertarian.

Depends

What bank is it? If it's a big one I wouldn't put it past them.

skippy

Great Documentary!

Watching this just made me sick! Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...it truly is the end isn't it? or at least close to it! Sometimes we think we are so smart and in reality we just screw things up that were working just fine! In my mind I think God is saying "What the hell are you doing?" LOL! Don't you wish we could get a do over..with what we know now?

Fear knocked on my door and Faith answered!

This is a very intricate

This is a very intricate issue. Biotech produced GMO's are not free market products(patents, subsidies, cronies etc.), so stating the consumer has a choice to avoid them is much like the supreme court saying we have a choice between buying mandated private health insurance or paying a tax.

I don't believe this is the best way of solving the issue. I'd much rather see the patents and subsidies stripped entirely. However, in order to provide something closer to a choice between one state mandated thing and the other, labeling will make that complete.

Though the Organic Consumers Association, the organization who steered activists into an interest in labeling(instead of something like removing subsidies or patents) is a Merck funded organization, which is just fine with the existence of monopolies, as long as you have a 'choice' as a consumer.

"Biotech produced GMO's are

"Biotech produced GMO's are not free market products(patents, subsidies, cronies etc."

If I grow GMOs in my backyard and then try to sell them without labeling them, I can be screwed over by the authorities.

Your product is dangerous

to health, and threatens the crop varieties we all depend on. If you're going to experiment with it, you need to have facilities that will ensure you are not contaminating other's crops (do no harm).

beats a zero

Thanks annica. Didn't know Merck funded it. Wonder why? Agree, would like everything stopped, not just labeled. Have to take our only option, beats a zero.

Deekey

Such good points

The patents have got to go. We should re-frame the debate? No corporate patents on life forms? Percy makes an interesting distinction, calling plants higher life forms. There are genetic manipulations of bacteria to produce energy, that are some of the most promising crude oil substitutes. Where's the line?

How do you get around that people need to know what their eating using a free market argument? There's something unaddressed in that confusion. I think you're pointing in the right direction.

Copyrights have a time limitation. Ownership of subsequent generations of life in perpetuity? And of any organism to take in the dna? How does the free market avoid the nightmare of that model without some legal guidance, and with a public in the dark, even as they chew on it and swallow? Some researchers claim dna moves from GE corn to gut bacteria. Does an ownership interest follow? Terrible, terrible decision from the patent office.

Now, apply these issues to GM

Now, apply these issues to GM humans... what kind of implications will we be dealing with then!?!

Percy Schmeiser is my hero

Substantial equivalence is a LIE. If it were equivalent, how can they receive a patent? For those arguing free market principles, GE food can not survive in a free market. They are rigging the market. They control the regulators, and the courts, and state and national legislatures, by threatening legal action, whenever and wherever there are initiatives to bring their products into the light of day. I wrote the Governor of Vermont, and he replied that the state couldn't afford legal battles with Monsanto, so they killed the labeling initiative in Vermont. They threatened Percy's bank(!), and the bank rolled over. Close Percy's account or we withdrawal all of our money nationwide. Their science is fraudulent. Their legal standing is based on fraud. Monsanto is a racket, and this whole ugly, corporate-crazed experiment with the food is going on in your belly.

The threshold of receiving a patent is low. Enforcement is tough

"May I have some dirt?"

"May I have some dirt? Please."

Patent rights may be rejected if:

  • There is prior art (not unique)
  • Obvious, trivial, or not useful
  • Fashion (no US patent for fashion)
  • Claims are to broad
  • Patent is defective

Most patent claims are akin to teenager boasts: [Victrola does patent search: The Patent Game]

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Michael Nystrom's picture

Just started watching

First minute, and this is what jumps out in response to the "let the free market take care of it" crowd.

Monsanto has a patent on these products/seeds. They have a patent on living organisms. This is wrong on so many levels.

So the government - in this case, the Federal government is already involved. But the "let the free market take care of it" crowd says "leave the government out of it?" The government is already in it. The government is all over it. The government created the problem in the first place by handing out the patent.

And then you say, "let the free market" take care of it? Impossible.

You may disagree with the tactic. You may say the effort should be aimed at repealing the patents at the federal level, and forcing Monsanto to play by free market rules. I agree with that, too.

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti. (But don't mind the fool.)

"Monsanto has a patent on

"Monsanto has a patent on these products/seeds. They have a patent on living organisms. This is wrong on so many levels."
Are Monsanto the only people being targeted by Prop 37? No. Prop 37 would allow me to get in trouble with the authorities for doing either of the below things:
- Selling a GMO without labeling it
- Calling my GMOs 'natural'

Now, everyone on here is strongly against arresting someone for selling weed grown in their backyards. Most people here are against arresting someone for selling coca or opium grown in their backyards. But you're totally okay with some guy getting arrested for growing GMOs. That's really bad.

"You may disagree with the tactic. You may say the effort should be aimed at repealing the patents at the federal level, and forcing Monsanto to play by free market rules. I agree with that, too."

So you admit you're willing to compromise on this and go with the Dem/Green position. Heck, why don't we go with the Dem/Green view on financial regulation too and back Dodd-Frank? After all, we aren't free anyway as some of the people hurt by it will be the big Fed-backed corporations! Yeah, the effort should be aimed at auditing and ending the Fed. But we can't right now, so we'll do the next best thing! :facepalm:

If the dem/greens can

require labeling in california, good for them. Californians are free, under the constitution to vote for solutions that do not appear to all to be libertarian. GMO crops contaminate neighboring crops. Don't libertarians believe in first do no harm? Your Dodd-Frank rant doesn't apply. If one country goes fiat, it doesn't change the nature of their neighbors gold, in perpetuity, if the fiat currency finds its way into a bucket with the gold.

how is it impossible to let

how is it impossible to let the free markets take care of it? are american forced to eat GMO soy beans? no. so we have a choice to educate others and let them know whats going on and let monsanto fail by leaving the GMO on the shelf. If this GMO gets very bad then the people will one day realize it and only eat organic non GMO. it might not be anytime soon but the truth will always rise. thats what freemarket is... some will have to suffer in order to pave way for the awake & new. take for example the tobacco industry.

How Do We Know?

Without labeling how are we supposed to know if what we buy is GMO or not? I have a bottle of canola sitting here and have no way to know whether to use it or toss it. What should I do? Call Walmart and ask them whether or not it's safe to use? You can guess how that would turn out!

skippy

if you don't know whats in

if you don't know whats in it, don't buy it. do you drink pond water? do you eat unknown plants in the wild? use common sense and don't buy until you are positive whats in your OWN FOOD. don't rely on others to protect your OWN health.

How are we supposed to know

How are we supposed to know if anything we buy is safe or not? The canola could easily have had a toxic chemical placed in it before it was sold. Hey, I got a great idea, why don't why label every bottle of canola sold?

It is labeled.

It says canola! Almost all canola is now GE. It most likely is toxic!

On every pack of cigarettes:

The surgeon general has determined that cigarette smoking is dangerous to your health.

And yes, significantly, Americans are forced to eat GE soybeans, because they are in so many processed foods that it is impossible to know. One would have to never eat at a restaurant to avoid GE corn and soy, or shop at an average American grocery store.

In places where people are informed, GE doesn't survive. Europe, Russia (just banned GE corn), India (just kicked Monsanto out).

Why is labeling not a free market activity? Everything I buy has a label, and it says what's in it. It's okay for people to hide what your buying, and for you to think it's something else?