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Why does 5% of the vote end the two party system?

Since Ross Perot received more than 18% in 1992, why or how does 5% for Gary Johnson end the two party system?

Thanks for any thoughts / clarity.

Cris



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Media and Leverage

We have to buy media. They are for sale.

Many in the LP don't believe in taking matching funds, but some recognize that this money is going to the wrong places if we don't. At any rate, if you don't want them to have it, don't check the box.

5% is more than enough to use as leverage. One of the state LP's called their state legislators and told them that if they voted to raise taxes, the local LP would run a candidate against them. That's with a mere 2% vote. It worked, and the tax did not pass.

5% would be more than enough to do the same, everywhere.

5% and matching funds would be enough to allow us to change the outcome of the next election, and you can bet that I, as a delegate to the LP, would be looking to target whichever of the dominant party candidates is the worst for freedom. Leverage will be used to defend your freedom.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

ecorob's picture

its doesn't...

its a distraction!

the ONLY thing that works now is a major cognitive shift in the thoughts and beliefs of Americans

think of it as a video gone MASSIVELY VIRAL!

everyone knows, everyone believes in the SAME POSITION because its RIGHT!

no more WARS? BOOM! they are gone
no more terror? BOOM! gone

we are sooo close...why do you think they are working on an internet "kill" switch? so, when the MASS COGNITIVE SHIFT begins they can shut it down...

watch the ones who work soooo hard against LIBERTY...their answer, their choices are clouded in mystery

romnie, oBOMBya, gitmo gary? more questions than answers and THAT is your clue to STAY AWAY!

Synergistic coagulation. Always a good thing when initiated by the people.

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Would the LP actually take

Would the LP actually take matching funds? Can't imagine they would.

All the LP cares about....

is the publicly plundered money the feds will throw at them if they have a 5 percent showing.

It's why they've chosen name recognition (Bob Barr, Gary Johnson) over principle the last two elections.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

ecorob's picture

can't help but to think...

you are right!

ask yourself, why?

bob barr? i'm still asking myself why, there.

gitmo? really?

name recognition is a very good explanation...that IS a lot of money to own, after all, and to be another lost car in the runaway train as it goes on down the track well, thats just where they, the LP's, are at...

we need a massive cognitive, synergistic shift in the beliefs of all Americans that we are all weary of WAR, we are all weary of TERROR, we are all weary of FEAR and industrial machine elements of war being systematically used throughout the world in our names

change these things, as Ron Paul would have (these current selections don't), and I will support him or her

I don't see that here, currently.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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9/11 Truth.

Collectivist Statement

You are talking about me, an individual.

Those were not my reasons for voting as I did.

The LP is not a person with "caring." It is an organization. Try to avoid making collectivist generalizations. I don't blame you because the GOP didn't nominate Ron Paul.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Are you the LP Leadership?

I'm not talking about you at all.

It was pretty apparent who the LP brass wanted as their nominees in '08 and '12.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

"It's why they've chosen name recognition

(Bob Barr, Gary Johnson) over principle the last two elections."

Interesting point. I hadn't looked at it from that angle before. I still think they've been co-opted.

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Didn't need to be co-opted...

They started out with the Koch brothers claws already in them.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Go tell that to Murray Rothbard or Ron Paul, you fool

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

There has been issues with Cato buddy

so he's not far off if off at all. Murray, Charles Koch and Edward Crane founded it in 1977.

If you'll notice, Dr.Paul talks highly of Rothbard but how often have you ever heard him speak of the Koch's.

David Koch wound up leaving the Libertarian party because as he stated.. Some of their ideas were out there. (paraphrasing)

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LvMI vs Cato/Koch

There is a very long history of hatred, beginning with the Kochs stealing Rothbard's shares in Cato and kicking him off the board.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

You don't happen to have a link do you?

Something you've read?

I'll be glad to look it up if you don't have it.

I feel slightly embarrassed that I haven't taken the time to research it. I knew there was something that happened but wasn't sure what but I have seen enough of the "Kroch's" to know they're no good.

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Here's a couple

Tom Woods and Lew Rockwell discussing the Kochs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mer09FiICow

David Gordon wrote a series of three detailed articles on this subject:

The Kochtopus vs. Murray Rothbard Part I by David Gordon: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon37.html

The Kochtopus vs. Murray Rothbard Part II by David Gordon:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon39.html

Murray Rothbard on the Kochtopus by David Gordon:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon86.1.html

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Thank you.

I should be working right now!

I just found this. Looks like there is a war going on at Cato to a degree. Maybe that's why Judge Nap left.. either that or he was pushed out by the Koch's.

http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2012/03/koch-v-cato-some-...

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No problem

The spat at Cato, is basically the Kochs redecorating the already compromised Cato institute with an even more Republican party friendly veneer.

The new Cato president is a Pro-war Ayn Rand Institute fellow, and plans to repaint Cato in a Randian color: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/201...

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I think this conversation needs it's own thread.

It's actually very pertinent to where things are going for L/libertarians.

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Feel free to use any of this in an article or thread

If you need any help from me or any input, I'd be glad to help.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Thanks

I'll probably do it later on after I do some more reading on Cato.

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Apparently...

someone didn't like our conversation, they downvoted every comment in our exchange.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

LOL I see that.

Ruffled some feathers I guess. :)

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Maybe I'm wrong on this but

I don't see the connection in a bad way till the sons came into the picture. There may have been a small amount of influence from Koch followers but nothing like the seemingly recent uptick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koc...

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Koch money...

has always steered the platform, but I believe '08 and '12 were because of the appeal of public funds.

The LP leadership thought name recognition at the expense of principle would get them there quicker than previous strategies.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

The difference between Ross Perot and the LP...

...is that Perot was running as an independent. The LP is, obviously, a party. It has continuity from election to election. If it does well this election, it gets benefits the next time in terms of ballot access and matching funds. Not so for an indy.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Like folks below said...

federal funding. Plus - it's better than 2% :). The more % , the more credible the party becomes in the eyes of a regular , not-so-informed voter.

HERE is why.

WASHINGTON, D.C., November 2, 2012 — Are you familiar with that little box on your tax return that asks, "Do you want $3 of your federal tax to go to the Presidential Election Campaign Fund?"

Two term former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson certainly is. Governor Johnson and his supporters are hard at work to get one in twenty to vote for him this presidential election.

Five percent of the popular vote means a great deal to a third party candidate.

It removes nearly all the roadblocks in getting ballot access in all 50 states, which is an extremely difficult, costly and time consuming endeavor. He is on the ballot in 49 states this election, the exception being Oklahoma. Oklahoma has the most restrictive ballot access laws in the country, effectively making it impossible for a third party to be on the ballot. That 5 percent would get him on that ballot as well next election.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/politics...

deacon's picture

i didn't see GJ

on my ballot,goode and stein yes
and the other 2 i shall not name
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

egapele's picture

We know

you've said it a million times already, okay?

Well, apparently the OP didn't know, hence he asked

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"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."