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NY and NJ are at the Breaking Point, Open thread on Sandy aftermath and what happens next

What are you hearing?

I'm hearing about some desperate situations and parts of society on the verge. We are not seeing this in the news right now. I have several people reporting from Staten Island and other areas that people are cold and down to their last candles. What happens next?

Here are some photos sent to my phone from a friend:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89689736@N08/

If you know anyone that has firsthand knowledge, please post here. The Daily Paul Community wants the facts not the BS we're being fed on FOX.

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And what about those who don't

Conform to your stereotype? Are they just collateral damage? In times of disaster politics are irrelevant! At least they are where I'm from.

It has been my experience that FEMA does not discriminate when it comes to proving that they are incompetent, either. Maybe this will open some of those "communists" eyes. In the meantime, the only way we can prove that OUR methods are better is if we pick up the slack and do the right thing.

Do you truly believe in what Dr. Paul stands for or are you just full of hot air? I know which one it looks like but I would like to think that I am wrong.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Most people in the midwest

think dinosaurs are 6000 years old. Sit around all day, drinking beer and watching NASCAR. Beat their wives with a Bible when they talk back to them. Should I go on? If those statements are offensive to you then think about what you said. People are waking up all over the nation, not just in "flyover country". And I hate to break it to you, but more than half of the country's population live on the coasts, so you will need "us" to bring about the changes you crave.

More than 35% of people in NYS are registered Republicans which is about 7% of all American Republicans. Now excuse me, I am busy gathering some old household items to donate to some needy Communists liberals on Staten Island who are in need.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

not all are liberal commies

I live on Staten Island and have been a supporter of Dr. Pauls since 2007 and a Daily Paul junkie since 2008 . I'm a registered rEPUBLICAN/ Libertarian. I prepped for disaster with all the essentials. Large stores of dry food, canned food, Propane, Propane burners, extra water etc. I was in the evacuation zone A. I evacuated Sunday night. I returned Wednesday morning to catastrophe. The storm surge inundated my 1st. Floor apt in 5 feet of contaminated water. I guess I should have prepped for catastrophe instead. I am going to take the loss and decline FEMA help. Possessions can be replaced on my own. Without government assistance. Please do not paint with so broad a brush there are some real patriots in New York and they are deserving of your support and Praise. By the way I'm 61and a storm of this magnitude has not happened in the memory of anyone I know. My Bungalow was built in 1923 and never been flooded before.

Clint said that, I was being sarcastic in response to him

But your reply was to me, and I know all about our many wonderful neighborhoods in our metro area, full of small government loving patriots.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

Go On

I don't take offense to anything you said. What I said is true and what you said is not true. But please go on...

ahaha youre retarded! your

ahaha youre retarded! your claim of vast majority of my neighborhood being communist liberals is absolutely true. because you said so. thats about as mature as a small child. :)

Karma

Are you trying to say that New York City and New Jersey are not liberal strongholds? Of course they are.

I lived in New York and New Jersey. I know them well. They couldn't care less about anyone but themselves. I don't see them caring when the south is by hurricanes on an annual basis. Karma is a bitch.

btw... Calling someone retarded seems rather childish to me.

I personally worked

With people from New York who came to Alabama after we had an outbreak of tornadoes. You seriously need to take a step back and think about how foolish you are sounding. I hope that NOBODY looks at your words and judges ALL Ron Paul supporters based on how you feel about this... it would be pretty narrow minded of them to do so, wouldn't it?

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Good For You

Wow, you worked with a few nice people from New York. Good for you. My experience has been that they are a bunch of tyrants who advocate killing the unborn and want to separate me from my guns. There are always a few liberty lovers everywhere I'm sure. I moved because I could no longer stand living amongst liberals.

You seriously need to take a step back and stop telling me what to do.

Piss off!

We may vehemently disagree with them politically

and even see them as an enemy of sorts but they are still human beings.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Not sure if anything about

Not sure if anything about New York was normal before Sandy.

In my opinion that city is one of the biggest shiat holes in the world hosting the most ignorant, selfish, rude and arrogant people, I really can't feel sorry for them no matter how much I try.
Things are hard for New Yorkers because they lack the most basic human qualities, like compassion, honesty, respect.

I can't forget how Japan handled the tsunami crisis, over 15.000 dead people and a nuclear disaster and you didn't read or heard in the news words like “looting”, “violence”, “riots”, “crimes”, "hunger", over there some people volunteered to die in order to fix the leaks at the plant while in NY Police is need it to prevent people for killing each other over a gallon of gas.

I apologies if my words offended some nice people.

Not my experience

Not my experience.

BTW - I have encountered ignorant, selfish, rude and arrogant people here in Denver.

Newsflash: being an a**hole is not determined by geography or limited to it.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

As A NYer

I feel compelled to say that any rudeness we have is due to living in an overpopulated city. We *have to* stand up for ourselves because it's very difficult to function in this city if you don't. One quick example that comes to mind is the subway system. During rush hour, you *have to* kind of fight your way onto a train and fight for a spot to stand. When you deal w/ that 5 days a week, you develop a more competitive personality. It does not, however, mean that NYers "lack basic human qualities". This is just a difficult place to live.

Tokyo is also overpopulated,

Tokyo is also overpopulated, do I need to say more?

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Official subway pushers for cramming in the People.

Very politely done in Japan, no doubt.

Official pushers for cramming in the People.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0A9-oUoMug

People are suffering...

and need to communicate important info so help can be provided. Can't you hold off on the divisive disparaging of entire people groups until later? And preferably later on a non-libertarian website? Libertarians look at the individual, not the collective. :\

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

A completely different culture.

It is difficult for people outside of the northeast to begin to comprehend what life is like here. Only the strong survive it.

Frank Sinatra

If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere. Very true.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Have you ever lived in NY?

I grew up in the suburbs, had my first apartment in Yonkers, and at one point lived in Greenpoint, Brooklyn for 3 years but now live in the northern suburbs again. In a metro area with 22 million people, there has been barely any looting or violence in relative terms. A lot of my old friends who live in different areas of the 5 Burroughs say that the media reports are exaggerated (is anyone surprised?) and people are helping each other out to keep each other going until things return to normal. Doesn't sound like a lack of compassion to me.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

Nice blanketing of a whole state.

Pretty shitty of you dude.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

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yours is the most repugnant comment I have ever read at the daily Paul.

you are a piece of $ l-l I T for REAL!

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

My take on this whole hurricane...

Referred by a fellow DP'er I checked out a map on www.haarpstatus.com and noticed HAARP readings off the chart in NJ/NY area (+10!) before the hurricane actually hit. Currently the readings are still high but well under 9.

Now I was looking at the gas temperature maps over at: http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
And I noticed NJ had high prices relative to the rest of the country. That's unusual since NJ is known for having cheap gas (and you don't have to pump it either :). Also the entire midwest was green indicating cheaper prices.

I believe supplies are not reaching the northeast d/t the hurricane damages and those surpluses have been re-routed to the midwest causing excess supply and thus cheaper prices. Obama will easily win NY/NJ and is getting cheap gas to places he's heavily campaigning--Ohio!

In my opinion, this whole scenario was done by design.

During Katrina...

FEMA turned away streams of 18 wheelers full of volunteer supplies... right before 100's died for lack of supplies.

Told them supplies weren't needed and to turn around and go away. The trucks piled up on the side of the interstate in my little town.

FEMA stopped a flotilla of 700+ flat bottom boats assembled by locals and loaded with supplies for search and rescue the next morning after Katrina.. right before 100's died.

FEMA = death

Federal Eugenics Management Agency

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Yes, FEMA was created to implement totalitarian "continuity"

of government.

It does not exist to aid or help anyone. It's sole mission is to see to it that the powers of government - incapable of annihilation - do not fall back to the People as they should, but rather remain in the hands of some agency which would presumably re-constitute an official government apparatus after the emergency was over.

It's mission assumes that individuals are completely helpless and incompetent, and that there is no civilian local government at all.

When a governor declares a "state of emergency" and requests federal assistance, they are legally saying that the State government is either not competent to deal with the situation, or they are "overwhelmed" and incapable of doing so. And not just in some degree, but entirely.

I'm not blowing smoke here. This is why if a governor does not declare such an emergency early enough, federal help will NOT be there.

That is why the only thing they know how to do is take over everything and make it FUBAR. All of their training is based on moving into a vacuum. The problem is, since their creation there has never been a vacuum in emergency situations. And there likely never will be. The assumption for their creation as an agency was flawed from the start.

They hold you hostage...

with your own tax money. :\

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Two of those trucks were mine

Had to get some connected church based networks to get us an escort to Mobile .... I agree with your FEMA assessment

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Thank you...

from the bottom of my heart for sending us help. And thank you for being persistent. :)

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Here's what I know in northern NJ

Clean up has been slow but, steady. (That's the good news.)

Gas situation showing no signs of getting better. (Watch out if this continues very much longer.) The only gas stations I've seen have police cars (plural) in front and I was turned away from the one I found and pulled into tonight because they were only selling gas to people with generators. I have enough gas for maybe 2 more days, at most.

People in some of homes that had power restored went grocery shopping/hunting to replace the food they had to throw out, only to have the electricity go out in their homes again 2 days later, with no idea of when it will come back again.

A lovely young black lady told me she has been living with her grandmother since the hurricane, since she has an infant and no electric in her apartment, which is located in a minority area. This woman is not a racist, by any stretch on the imagination but, she told me that she now believes power was not restored to her neighborhood yet because it is a black community and therefore low on the list. I don't know if that's true but, if that's what SHE now believes, so do MANY others in her neighborhood and in other similar areas.

Some towns or sections of towns have not had power restored yet because of severe damage to their grids. Might get some power by Wednesday, but some cannot even get time estimates because of the damage.

Heard that we are expecting a nor'easter snow storm on Wednesday. If it is a bad storm, watch out! There is only so much people can take at this point.

I'd say we are sitting on a powder keg and the situation will explode, if that next storm on Wednesday hits hard. That's just my opinion, based on what I've been seeing and hearing from people I know, who are having very bad experiences right now.

i live in a white

i live in a white neighborhood in south jersey. we had our power restored under 24 hours. (though i do live on the same grid as post office and fire house). I know a guy through my wifes family who lives in a low income neighborhood, and they estimated originally power restored on the 5th, but later delayed to the 12th. I thought it was pretty blatant of the favoritism at play there. But then i learned there is a pretty wealthy neighborhood a few towns away that is also expecting their power restored around the same time. So now im not so sure.

THats a long time to go without power. Even though my power was restored pretty quickly, my heater is still non-functional and ive been living without heat just like those neighborhoods without power and it really sucks! its cold right now.

Parts of Texas, Louisiana & MIssissippi after Katrina

& Rita didn't have power for over a month.

Sometimes, the damage is so bad, and so massive, it just takes a long time to rebuild or repair all that infrastructure.

We survived it though.

NJ will too, unless they flip out over the issue and go apocalyptic on everyone.