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I oppose government mandated GMO labelling as it is not a libertarian or fiscally conservative position

The federal government lacks constitutional authority to mandate labeling of products containing genetically-modified food. Furthermore, those who do not wish to consume genetically-modified products should be leery of federally-mandated labeling because history shows that federal regulatory agencies are susceptible to 'capture,' where the regulators end up serving the interest of the business they are supposed to control. In the case of labeling, federal agencies could redefine the meaning of 'modified' to allow genetically-engineered food on the market without fully-informing consumers of the presence of genetically- engineered ingredients. Instead of federal regulation, consumers should demand that manufactures provide full information and refuse to buy those products that are not fully labeled. Once producers see there is a demand for non-genetically-engineered products they will act to fulfill that demand.

EDIT: As of right now (which is only 14 hours after making this post), I am down voted -7 and have a number of negative comments below, including one which is very rude. This is despite the fact that what I have written above is a direct quote from Ron Paul himself. I think this just shows how much so many people oppose Ron Paul's words when they don't apppear to be coming out of Ron Paul's mouth.



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This should be required reading

The bio-tec Cartels should be delt with just like any..

Cartel that is commiting fraud (such as the Federal Reserve)
Just as, Bank of America is part of the banking Cartel known as the FED, Monsanto believe it or not is not the only bio-tech company, just the most well-known of the bio-tech Cartel. So how do you deal with Cartels?

Ideally we should be buying everything in silver but that doesn't mean
we should stop trying to get an Audit of the Fed, a Cartel. In the same way Monsanto is part of the bio-tech Cartel. We need transparency in both of these Cartels!

Was there this level of faux outrage at mandatory peanut

labelling or mandatory country of origin labelling?

I doubt it. You'd swear this was the introduction of a one child policy the way some people are going on.

that type of mentality is what i call anarchist-defeatist

I bet many on here would probably also argue that voting yes on term limits is considered government force, and even if it passes, history shows congress will find a way to serve 40 years anyway so might as well not ever try.

a close inspection reveals you are giving up and arguing only unadulterated anarchy will suffice.

Your arguement is based on

Your arguement is based on the idea that if the law is twisted that it failed to do what the good intention was. What those against the labeling law is based on the idea that if the law is twisted it will give more power to Monsanto and the FDA.

Why is it that the FDA (ie. Monsanto) is to write regulations over the next year to implement the law? Why not just make a law that allows the states to force companies to label their products? Why is it that there is no efforts to make it legal companies to label their products as GMO-free? Why is it being made legal by courts for Monsanto to trample on the rights of other farmers?

Enforce existing propery rights and fraud laws properly now, and Monstanto will no longer exists and GMO's will fade away.

And your argument is based on the idea

That since there is a more functional solution that works, then this one aught to be dismissed.

When your ideas manifest themselves in the ballot then I will vote for them, too.

Until which I see absolutely no reason why you stand against labeling a fsking package.

I don't want government messing with my Medicaid

The same type of logic is presented by those who are arguing for GMO labeling. If you support it, fine, but don't argue that it is consistent with libertarian philosophy.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

I think I can do without

tobacco, alcohol and a number of other things. I can make a free market choice on pretty much everything in my life and live without the majority of it as if it was a necessity.

Two things I can't do without to live and that's water and food. Fuck up and make the wrong choice concerning those and it's game over.

So all of these wannabe anarchist and Libertarians can kiss my ass when it comes to those two things.

Government is corrupt and Corporations care only about their bottom dollar but both are still held in the modest of ways by the consumer... not by much though so if they can lie, cheat, steal and even kill and get away with it, they will.

SINCE this is a state issue and the states hold that Constitutional authority and I value my life, I will back labeling so that I and many others like me can make at the very least, a somewhat informed decision.

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A note on the comment I made

A note on the comment I made below.

The comment was made under the assumption that we are talking about federal laws. The latest federal law that was being voted on that I'm aware of was to have the FDA write regulations over the next year that would determine what sort of labeling laws the state governments would be allowed to implement.

I'm not so against the states having such laws, but I don't see what good will come out of the FDA (ie. Monsanto) writing regulations. The federal labeling law should have just said something like "we won't interfere with what the states want to do with labeling products".

"Corrupt Government" +

"Corrupt Government" + "bottom dollar Corporations" = Zero possibility of consumer to hold anyone accountable.

After watching http://www.dailypaul.com/261494/david-vs-monsanto-documentar... I concluded that the labeling issue may actually severly harm efforts to stop Monsanto. The problem isn't about labeling . . . it is about Monsanto being above the law.

If current laws were upheld, then Monsanto would be no more. I have reservations about labeling laws, since historically any such laws seem to do nothing except define the product as ok. What I would like to see is that it isn't illegal for companies to label their products as GMO free.

About water - how has the government helped with that? They not only allow flouride in drinking water, but instead they make it mandatory.

Like Ron Paul always says - the toughest regulations occur in the free market with property rights and fraud laws enforced by the government. Monsanto and GMO's would never survive under that scenerio.

Sure they couldn't but we don't live in that scenario.

"About water"

Government hasn't helped but that's where we are at right now.. I wouldn't say as you did above that there is no hope at all but it is a slim prospect.

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Opposing labeling is not really a Libertarian issue

For those of you who oppose 37

Imagine the FDA holds a gun to your head, and before they pull the trigger, California introduces a measure where you can actually vote whether or not to use blanks (instead of real bullets.)

You vote no on the blanks, citing Libertarianism and that you don't want to empower anyone to use a gun. But the non-aggressional principal does not come into play, here. You are failing to acknowledge FDA is already in a position of power to kill you, whether you vote yes, no, or stay home. If the "blanks" measure doesn't pass, you and your neighbors are shot, anyway. Might as well vote for blanks while you are in the ballot booth.

Voting no on 37 does nothing to dispose of the FDA and progress Libertarianism. Furthermore, if you want to help eliminate the FDA, then interferring with those who vote yes does not achieve that either.

Personally, I'll take the gun with the blanks in them. And if eliminating the FDA is ever a ballot measure then I'm voting yes on that, also.

Labels

I would agree with you but contacting many companies is almost impossible to find out what is in the product.

When I looked for an automobile once I called a Honda factory and wanted to speak with someone in the plant ie. manager, about the auto they basically hung up on me.

Most times you just get a clerk/receptionist and they don't know anything.

I would support no labelling and getting a written contract with the company confirming that the product has the ingredients that you both agreed to. What company would do this though?

If you can pay to get your water tested I am sure you can get it for food?

donvino

If you want government to do your bidding to force labeling

then you are not really a libertarian.
You oppose government force when you don't like what it does but run to government for help to force other to do what you want.
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with this kind of reasoning you'd probably favor a special tax

to raise money to teach Austrian Economics in the public schools and fine parents whose kids failed the course.

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I oppose labeling...

only in that it gives legitimacy to Monsanto et all, for what they are doing. I take a bit more stronger stance, in that, what they are doing is WRONG and is akin to a crime agianst humanity. Once people are aware of the short/long term effects of GMO's...they will hopefully vote with their FRN's and put the industry out of business. I have been on the retail side of the Natural/Organic industry since 1994, and to see the influx of people that are even semi-aware of GMO's is encouraging and gives me hope. I do think too much energy focused on labeling, clouds the issue and permits the perpetrators of this crime, more time to do what they do. Just my opinion.

The most convincing commentary I've read so far

+1

"The rich man writes the book of laws the poor man must defend, but the highest laws are written on the hearts of honest men."

I feel like this...

1. As a libertarian I don´t support forced GMO labeling.
2. As a Capitalist I will ONLY support those who label it.

Easy as pie.

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news flash, the FDA won't even alow to label food "non-GMO"

"the FDA says it will not allow labels like "GM-free," "GMO-Free" or "biotech-free." The agency says guaranteeing a product to be free of GM material is virtually impossible (not true GMO corn and soy can be tested in a lab to be different) Instead the labels will have to say the food was not produced through bioengineering. The FDA said it may take legal action against companies that violate these guidelines.

source: www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/millenium/fdadisallowsgmo-fre...
part in ( ) is my addition

"The agency [FDA] says..."

So instead of demanding an end to this agency, we are arguing to give it more power? Unbelievable.

Deregulate all this labeling business and you can bet trusted third parties will emerge which will be perfectly able to test products and ensure they are free of GMO.

Labeling is good. Mandatory labeling is bad. Anything "mandatory" needs to be enforced, at the point of a gun if necessary.

NO this is not a new FDA law

it is a State issue, it does not give the FDA new power. I would love to get rid of the FDA! Let's do it! If this passes it will be interesting to see how the FDA responds (considering that Monsanto already has executives in the FDA)

"trusted third parties will emerge which will be perfectly able to test products and ensure they are free of GMO."
Now your getting somewhere, it just so happens there are such third parties, the non-GMO project www.nongmoproject.org
the sad thing is because of the FDA they cannot even say it is GMO free even though they test for it

I don't care

about mandatory labeling. But I care about my right to sue someone if they sell me , say food with salmonela in it. I also believe in the right to sue anyone who tries to sell me this as "food" and label it as such. Actually, come to think of it, my issue has exactly to do with labeling - the fact that this is labeled and treated as "regular food" and sold as such. You can argue that's technically the same, but not so in my view - I do believe that govt has the role in preventing fraud. I also believe in the right of farmers to sue these companies if their product contaminates their property. However, it's on the contrary - they can sue you if their product contaminates your property, because now your plants contain their patented gene. Over 87% of canola in US is already taken over by this and is spreading to wild canola. Independent testing will do you little good when all they can say is "yeah, it's GMO" and you have no other choice left. And you will have none, as long as they can run rampant and keep pushing this as food while at the same time spreading the gene through wind and claim whatever it cross-breeds with to be theirs. To think they'll stop at canola is silly. This isn't a car or a toy, this is a life that self-propagates and takes over natural life that they can then lay claims on , as per their patent and licensing rights.

How about this...

Why can not some consumer groups call around and ask companies how their products are manufactured and post it online so everyone can see what they come up with? They could even make a gallery for each store what is and what isn´t GMO, it is very easy to do today.

This is a great time to start up new businesses that want to sell high quality (normal, non-gmo) food.

People who think a lable will stop these corporations from posting false information are wrong, people have to seek the information for themselves, it is the only way.

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Teach a man to phish and he'll clean out your bank account.
~~

How about we do away with all labels..

They're so restricting these label things. I say we put anything into a can we want and throw them all in a bin and you get what you get.

Maybe tonight it's green beans and tomorrow.. who knows.. Monsanto soybeans.

One mans pot luck is another's Russian roulette. It's the deerhunter for your family!

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How about YOU do that and see how far you get.

Man some of you bitches are naive as hell.

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GREAT IDEA!

It just so happens there is such a consumer group: www.responsibletechnology.org
and yes they have a non-GMO shopping guide

What you're proposing...

...would require initiative! We can't have that! We need labels to save us!

so what actions have you taken?

?

Yeah...

The thing is people need to get off their butts and do some investigating.
Now, suppose the lable things goes through and we get lables in the store, would that make it safe you think, would companies not lie? Answer is NO, you can´t trust a label anyway.
If the lable would come you would see about 90% of all products being labeled as GMO and companies don´t want that so it will never go through anyway, it is impossible.

What you need, as I said before, are groups of people going TO the companies that MAKES the food and report on it and how that food is produced, ask questions and test products. Companies that are selling non-gmo will welcome it because it will make them look good, those who oppose it will suffer in the market, simle as that.
Why not even have a smart phone app so people when they go shopping can see what is safe and what is not safe to buy? It is endless what people can do but instead they wait for a lable full of lies.

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Teach a man to fish and you feed him for the rest of his life.
Teach a man to phish and he'll clean out your bank account.
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here it is:

www.nongmoshoppingguide.com

the non-GMO shopping guide complete with a phone app, just like you requested, how's that for initiative! We need to fight this on all levels.

Ideally we should be buying everything in silver but that doesn't mean
we should stop trying to get an Audit of the Fed, (a Cartel) in the same way Monsanto is part of the bio-tech Cartel. We need transparency in both of these Cartels!