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I oppose government mandated GMO labelling as it is not a libertarian or fiscally conservative position

The federal government lacks constitutional authority to mandate labeling of products containing genetically-modified food. Furthermore, those who do not wish to consume genetically-modified products should be leery of federally-mandated labeling because history shows that federal regulatory agencies are susceptible to 'capture,' where the regulators end up serving the interest of the business they are supposed to control. In the case of labeling, federal agencies could redefine the meaning of 'modified' to allow genetically-engineered food on the market without fully-informing consumers of the presence of genetically- engineered ingredients. Instead of federal regulation, consumers should demand that manufactures provide full information and refuse to buy those products that are not fully labeled. Once producers see there is a demand for non-genetically-engineered products they will act to fulfill that demand.

EDIT: As of right now (which is only 14 hours after making this post), I am down voted -7 and have a number of negative comments below, including one which is very rude. This is despite the fact that what I have written above is a direct quote from Ron Paul himself. I think this just shows how much so many people oppose Ron Paul's words when they don't apppear to be coming out of Ron Paul's mouth.




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Genius. Your summary...

...of two sentences is as concise as my five paragraphs. Well said!

I concur

Although reading through the other posts, I do agree that the headline is misleading.

I am for GMO labeling. I am against the government mandating and/or enforcing such labeling.

if only it were that simple

see my commment above

Hi...

See my comment also...

~~
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for the rest of his life.
Teach a man to phish and he'll clean out your bank account.
~~

Your response begs the question, Swede.

i rewrote my response and posted it here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/261576#comment-2817549

Still, non of the blind label promoters want to talk about this:

Should the government be involved if Cartels (such as the Federal Reserve) are committing fraud?
Well just as say, Bank of America is part of the banking Cartel known as the FED, Monsanto believe it or not is not the only bio-tech company, just the most well-known of the bio-tech Cartel. So how do you deal with Cartels?

Refuse to give them your dollar and pray

they change their evil ways before the world population is culled.

Meanwhile, enjoy your "corn". :)

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Really? -21 votes? You people...

...need to ponder what philosophy it is you actually ascribe to! Like the poster of this, well post, I am AGAINST government mandated labeling! Well I must be a Monsanto shill then right? Ha! I'm a shill for free markets and informed consumerism! Point one: Mandating(sounds so libertarian, right?) GMO labeling to 'get' Monsanto is like Wall St. regulations 'getting' Goldman Sachs; it's like the fine print flashed at the bottom of every commercial; it's like slapping yet ANOTHER warning sticker on a new ladder- it simply recuses the entities involved from future liability. Your mandated GMO label will be type size 2 font right below "Produce of P.R.C."(I've noticed more and more this little shift in labeling recently as I am a manic label reader. If you're wondering what 'P.R.C' is it's 'People's Republic of China'. Sounds a lot better than just 'China' no? I'm sure the change came after some new mandated 'country of origin law'.) Point two: I dare you go to the market today and find a carton of milk that DOESN'T proudly promote "No rBST!" or "No Steriods" or "No hormones"; find a t-bone steak option that doesn't declare "raised solely from organic grains and feed"; find eggs that DON'T say "free range" or "cage free" chickens. Ford stopped making Pintos...and all of this action taken by companies to change their behavior VOLUNTARILY is because of why? A law? No! An informed public! CONSUMERS change businesses behavior, NOT LAWS! Government laws exist to give shelter to the fat cat looter corporations we all hate so much! Point 3: Got rights? Since when are libertarians FOR governments controlling the behavior of business? Who is FOR governments dictating to business owners how they MUST operate their business and still call themselves 'free market'? Just because we all hate GMO's doesn't mean we abandon our principles of free market competition! Just because we hate innocents being murdered by their own dictators doesn't mean we launch an invasion! Point 4: Well actually it was more of an observation. I was enjoying- it was either an Odwalla or Naked brand- juice. Stated LARGELY on the container? "NO GMO's!" along with "bottle made from vegetable based recyclable plastic!" I looked at my wife and said, "look ma! No law required!" Bet your ass, that's a juice I will gladly buy again! Point 5: Libertarianism 101- If someone says "There ought to be a law!" then there most likely oughtn't be!

All said, don't abandon your free market principles just because you hate a product! Vote with your money, not a colored-in bubble on the suggestion form known as a ballot! If the authoritarianism of forcing by law GMO labeling is what you're for you might find yourself more in line with Ralph Nader and less with Ron Paul than you think!(The operative word here is THINK!)

If it pleases you, down vote away! I personally am going to stick to my philosophically principled guns!

You mean like the informed consumerism we had

before tobacco was labeled cancerous. And how great and forthcoming the tobacco companies were with regards to their damaging memos on the poisons they used to spray on their product..

You know what I mean huh.. Yeah they were all about giving their consumers a great product in the spirit of the free market.

Nobody is abandoning anything... this is a constitutional stance where you like it or not.

Oh and do try the occasional paragraph "paddysforronpaul" :)

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Yep, That same informed consumer...

The world knew long before mandated labeling on tobacco packets that tobacco caused cancer. The world knew alcohol caused liver damage and premature death long before mandated labeling on liquor bottles.
Today, find me a man woman or child that doesn't know cigarettes cause cancer. Find me a packet of cigarettes that doesn't have a mandated warning label. Now find me a smoker who's been recently diagnosed with cancer....oh wait, there's still a shit ton of dying cancer ridden smokers! What's going on?! The packet has a label on it after all! You mean consumers can still be free to make bad choices too? What kind of society are we living in where people know the consequences of their actions yet act out the bad behavior anyway? A free society?! Yuck!

"Today, find me a man woman or child that doesn't know

cigarettes cause cancer. Find me a packet of cigarettes that doesn't have a mandated warning label."

The main reason so many know is because of the fights to bring it to the light which was done so through the government.. Before that happened.. some people believed it to be the case but none "knew".

Cigarettes are bad enough but you're talking about a long and drawn out process in a non-free market friendly environment.

"You mean consumers can still be free to make bad choices too? What kind of society are we living in where people know the consequences of their actions yet act out the bad behavior anyway? A free society?! Yuck!"

Now you've got it! A well informed person that makes that choice anyway is THEIR business.. A non-informed person being sold goods that could kill them while all along being told they are safe.. That's a whole different story.

See, you seem to be under the impression that people who are pushing for labels are somehow of the belief that it will stop people from buying GMO foods and somehow save the day.. Nope..

We believe in informing the population so they can make their own informed decision.

Patriot Cell #345,168
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wow!

"Just because we hate innocents being murdered by their own dictators doesn't mean we launch an invasion!"
Really? even if it's being done on our soil?
Again, this is grossly missappling Ron Pauls quotes and princiles

The war is over!

Labels have saved the world (and those on 'our' soil)! Hurray!

I'm not applying Ron Paul quotes or 'his' principles.

I'm applying the philosophy of what I consider to be libertarianism, and the principles of FREE WILL.

If your supermarket had labeled 'GMO' food on their shelves tomorrow, would you change your shopping behavior? If so, what's stopping you from changing your shopping habits now? The ignorant don't know or don't care what a GMO is. Those, like myself, who do have made the effort to find and purchase non-GMO food in 'the free market.'

People will do what people will do. A law or a label isn't going to stop that.

good point

I guess the less educated will just die off then

" I think this just shows how

" I think this just shows how much so many people oppose Ron Paul's words when they don't apppear to be coming out of Ron Paul's mouth."

The sad truth is that even among "us" there's some closed minded hero worshippers. they don't truly understand any philosophy (least of all the difficult to grasp concept of liberty), they just want what they want (usually this amonunts to no more than some bitterness towards a "them") and don't really care how this gets accomplished.

I think this just shows

that you are trying to divided Ron Paul supporters

To the extent that within

To the extent that within your category of "Ron Paul Supporters" there are two distinct subsets of people:

- Those that understand liberty conceptaully and therefore support ron paul because he also understands liberty

and

- Those that just like the idea of "being a ron paul supporter" and simply no clue how to derive their own opinions of an issue save googling furiously for ron paul's own words that they can then parrot

Then yes, I am shamelessly trying to point out this divide. And it is my hope (albeit a naive one) that everyone who is currently in the second subset of "ron paul supporters" realizes that simply worshipping a better hero, while better than worshipping a false hero, is a far inferior ideological position to understanding the concept of liberty and being capable of doing away with the concept of hero-worship entirely.

then in that case the OP is "worshipping a false hero"

he is operating under the premise that Ron Paul could never be wrong on this issue. At the same time taking his quote out of context.

the op presented an argument.

the op presented an argument. granted it was rp's argument and not his own, but the fact is that he presented it first, WITHOUT attributing it to RP just to test the hypothesis that a lot of people would be against something that RP has said if they were unaware of it being a RP quote. This is not to say that the argument quotes is or isn't correct based on who said it, just that it's interesting how opinions of pro liberty arguemnts arent taken seriously by a lot of people here just ebcause it isn't initially attributed to RP.

his experiment proved to be very depressing.

the only problem being

the quote was taken from a comment on a proposed Federal law years ago, prop 37 is a State issue. So wether you consider Ron Paul a hero or not his quote was taken out of context.

this quote of Ron Paul is taken out of context

It is sad to see his quotes grossly misrepresented here.
For one he is talking out Federal Regulation, prop 37 is a State issue. Second this quote was years ago, this is as bad a quoting something he said in some newsletter years back.

The way I see it is,

Monsanto is a creature of the government. Period.

If not for the government giving Monsanto special privileges, they wouldn't be so rich and powerful... Heck if not for the government they probably wouldn't even exist!

So since their entire business model relies solely on the government giving them special privileges, then they should be subject to any government force.

Bottom line: If a company's entire business model relies on the government and/or taxpayers, then I have ZERO pity for them... I hope they all get bullied by the government and go out of business.

right, Monsanto is part of the bio-tec Cartel..

much like the Federal Reserve is a banking Cartel. So should the government be involved with the FED. Well unless your Ben "Burn-the-key" or part of the banking Cartel I think we all know the answer. So should we give free-reighn to the bio-tech Cartel?

LIFE, liberty, and

LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

GMO is a threat to the health of everyone. Labeling of GMO protects our basic Constitutional right.

You really can't figure that out for yourself?

Great! Then...

...exercise your constitutional right to go to a local farmers market or your own garden or from some producer who you know isn't using GMO! After all, it's YOU who is responsible for YOUR LIFE, and YOUR happiness, no? This might come as a shock, but not everyone, myself excluded, are not concerned about GMO's!Labels don't change people's behavior, PEOPLE change peoples behavior! If people don't know what a GMO is or it's ramifications in the first place, what the hell good will it do to label it?

This is just another lazy attempt to transfer the responsibility of informing ourselves and other consumers to the government. This is an issue of philosophic principle.

I cannot believe I actually have to argue this point on the Daily Paul of all places.

That's a terrible compromise.

That's a terrible compromise. I'd like to know if my packaged food products have GMOs in them. Saying I should go buy nothing but rabbit food from the farmer's market as a solution is ridiculous.

Tobacco is a threat to the

Tobacco is a threat to the health of everyone. Labeling of tobacco protects our basic Constitutional right.

Do you agree with that statement?

You don't have to buy

You don't have to buy tobacco. You have to eat. You are making a conscious decision to start smoking. Eating is a necessity. See the difference? This is like grade school logic people...

No

Everyone has to eat - owning life and patenting that gives you an unnatural total control over the most precious source (second to water only). Not everyone smokes and nicotine does not spread by wind to infect other people's crops which then you can claim to be yours and sue the original owner out of business. To be safe there are several things that need to happen :

1. Owners of any crops should be able to sue these corporations for infection and claim damages.

2. Anyone that gets these things sold to them under label of "food" should be able to sue the seller as well as manufacturer. If someone sells me chalk in a bag that says "flour" I should be able to take legal action on the basis of fraud against whoever did that. To say otherwise is not to believe in small government but to believe that the govt has no right in protecting your from fraud and enforcing contracts. Likewise, if someone sells me this thing, under label of "food" I should be able to take them to court. If they keep this under the section of "food alternatives" then it's all good. If you want it and it's cheaper go ahead an buy it, nobody should be able to prevent you from doing so.

Wow.

You really don't have any faith in the free market. Do you really think there are NO non-GMO products in the market place? If you live in a big city or suburb, I guarantee with just a little EFFORT on your part you will find a farmer's market full of non-GMO produce. If you live rural, grow your own non-GMO food. If you rent, organize a community of like minded people and buy a plot of land and grow a communal non-GMO garden. Stop waiting for some 'miracle law' that will make it all better. Take some initiative and personal responsibility. 'Inconvenience' is not an excuse. Stop acting like a victim waiting for the savior government to look out for you.

Doing some of the above will do more to harm Monsanto(which I mutually detest) than any GMO label. You know it's frankenfood, I know it's frankenfood. Once your family and neighbors and communities know it's all frankenfood then Monsanto will have no choice but to voluntarily abandon GMO's or, pardon the pun, they shall wither on the vine.