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A Word About The Elections -Chuck Baldwin

A Word About The Elections

With the 2012 Presidential election just a few days away, it is almost superfluous for me to engage in any kind of in depth discussion, as most people cannot, for the life of them, get past the political theater that is currently crescendoing to a climax. Therefore, I will simply provide readers with a few passing thoughts regarding the elections next week.

I think Mitt Romney will somewhat comfortably win the Presidential election. This will cause “conservatives,” Christians, and most Republicans to go into a state of deep hibernation, which will allow Romney to wreak havoc upon the Constitution and liberties of the people. In 2012, Barack Obama is the “Boogeyman” that must defeated at all costs. But the fact is, with the exception of Romney’s more business-friendly approach to economics, the differences between Obama and Romney are negligible.

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not seeing it

i see all networks reporting obama in a narrow lead ....
now unless they are hoping that romney does win so there might be some
riots and looting to happen so they will have something to report on.
i don't know... all i hear is obama in the lead.
whoever wins - we will know then who the elite picked.
cuz it aint gonna be decided by an actual vote.

Gary Johnson 2012

My thoughts exactly.

Romney 2012. WWIII 2013. Hillary Clinton 2016.

"No one ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American public." P.T. Barnum.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Chuck . . .

and his wise words--

Thank you--

I agree with Chuck, by the way--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Chuck is voicing a cocern i've had for quite some time.

If Romney wins, all the conservatives will go back to worshiping government.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard



You just made it impossible for him to change it. :(


"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)


It is now impossible for me to edit my post to correct it.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

All the networks are getting the people ready for Romney

to win, Obama has fulfilled his part. Without Obama the brain dead D's would still be demonstrating against the wars. I agree with Jesse Ventura Romney was chosen 4 years ago. Otherwise why all the Mormon ads over the past 3 years? Where did the Mormons find all the money for the ads?

The D's would have never voted in NDAA without Obama. I think the elites figure they got as much mileage as possible out of Obama.

I wonder if Obama will go quietly or will he turn on the PTB?

It is not our choice to pick the POTUS, only the illusion of it!

Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe


will Obama win the election, then Rom the Zombie takes it from him through lawsuits?

Tweeting occasionally as himself @cudnoski on the twitter.

I don't see Romney winning

But good article.

BRAVO Chuck Baldwin.

He got my vote in 2008.

A voice of truth and reason.

I respect his opinion and agree that Romney and Obama are fundementally the same man.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

He Nails it

My sentiments exactly.

Red coolaid vs Blue Coolaid.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

The numbers aren't adding up

The numbers aren't adding up for Romney. I don't believe he'll win. It might end up closer than the statistics are showing, but I'm betting Obama (unfortunately) gets four more.

You're questioning numbers not adding up?

When did numbers have anything to do with it? Haven't you seen what they did prior to primaries up to Tampa?

It's a game show with predetermined winners, viewable on tv to make the sheep feel like they have a say in government.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Check the statistics from one

Check the statistics from one of the best political statisticians I've seen. Nate Silver has amassed quite a record of being right.


The latest numbers show a 90+% chance Obama wins. We'll find out tomorrow, then you really should consider ignoring the pundits and talking heads in favor of following the numbers.

The Numbers aren't going to add up for some time

Mercury goes retrograde on the day of the election.

There could be a serious delay in the election results.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

The Vote will be contested untill after Nov 26th

The vote could go either way....its all staged to achieve some objective. Just like gore vs bush. popular vote vs electoral vote.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Sorry, but watch and see

That's all I can tell you.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Sorry, planetary alignment is

Sorry, planetary alignment is meaningless.

Trying to read between the lines.

Article says: "So, if it makes you feel better, vote for Mitt Romney. He’s probably going to win anyway–but it won’t matter! But, by all means, when you find a for-real freedomist to vote for in the other races, be sure you do that, because that WILL matter!"

I find those interesting words. Are then an endorsement of sorts?

I also find it interesting that he doesn't mention the Constitution Party Candidate, or any 3rd party candidate, or even a write in for Ron Paul.

That seems strange to me since Baldwin ran on the CP ticket 4 years ago.

Trying to read between the lines.

Thank you for posting!



I think what Chuck was saying in this article in my opinion,that we are screwed.Chuck Baldwin loves Ron Paul, he has stood up for him.If it was not for Chuck Baldwin,I would have not heard of Ron Paul or the Liberty movement back then when it started.Trust me Chuck Baldwin does NOT like Romney at all,he knows he is a Neo Con.Chuck does not like Obama either.When you have time bookmark his page,there are links to the left on there I think you will enjoy.

The ones I really learned alot from is Bush Record,CFR,and Neocons.
(Also elections 2012 Ron Paul)

Thanks GBAmerica

I like Chuck Baldwin. He was one of my stops on the way to Ron Paul! I am semi familiar with his site and I have enjoyed reading the links on the left of his site. He is the one who first opened my eyes to the 501c3 issue for churches...and the severity of the issues of vanishing Liberty here in America. Unfortunately I didn't know about him until after the election in 2008 or I would have voted for him them. I sure wish he was running this year.

I am glad you posted his article, otherwise I wouldn't have taken time to go there to read. I was just surprised by that paragraph and am glad you have given an interpretation.

He got my vote!

Just got done writting him in for U. S. House last night! I don't know if they will count it, but it was either write in him or me. I doubt they would let me serve in the U. S. House and the Montana House at the same time anyways. Not to mention being Montana supervisor of schools. I suppose I will have to write myself in for something else yet before this is all over. I am very happy to have Chuck living in my state though; gives me someone to write in in a pinch.

Yes, I have had the thought

Yes, I have had the thought just last week about what if everyone in the US wrote themselves in for president! Maybe that would send a message...now how to get all the people to learn how to write their own name instead of voting for criminals!

That would be great!

It reminds me of part of the speach I wrote that I thankfully didn't have to give on caucus night. How proud I was to vote for a man that I truly believed could/would do a better job than me as President. How many people can say that about their candidate of choice! I think I would be a damn good President or Congressman, but Ron Paul would be 10 times better and probably Mr. Baldwin too. How can you vote for someone who will do a worse job than yourself?

yes...thanks GB

Like Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin is a standard bearer for me. A very special human being and I have liked to think that through all this his friendship has brought comfort at times to Ron Paul. Absolutely trust him and listen to whatever he says. I agree that it will be Romney. And, Bear, we
like you I am writing in Ron Paul. I am voting for the message because I can!


I had no idea :)

Boy did I butcher my spelling in that last post. Sorry about that. I must have been in a hurry. I have decided to post this up here incase you wish to erase your post below and remove dots, and if you wish me to do the same here, say so somewhere else. Otherwise we can leave it in "stone."

I cannot even imagine what I dragged up and reposted of yours LOL...I even read about that in the MOD box, yes I am a curious sort, and had no idea what was being talked about...and still don't and you don't need to bring it up, unless you think some of my thinking needs corrected...because who knows, I may repeat it again, unknowingly...LOL.

My grandfather was a bigot. I can imagine my grandmother doing the same thing...because she could...and not ever telling him because his wrath would have been terrible for her to endure.

Now I am pulling up thoughts and connecting dots...I read where you do that too...It didn't have anything to do with what Bill Still had say about that funding of that Mises founder being of the Rockefellers? Did it? If so, now you want to see me connect dots...How about this: The Rockefellers found an influential thinker who might just spread thoughts of Liberty so they imported him, funded him, and maybe influenced him. Maybe so as to get him off track from srpeading truth, or mixing that truth with a lie so that that truth is rejected completely. I can see that taking a "bullet" singularly could save a whole group of Friends as well as a whole movement.

Thank you for your kind words. One thing you will see about me, fonta, is that I allow myself to be vulnerable as I pretty much just let people see who I am, unless of course I have something not so nice to say, I try to temper it. I hope the love of Christ shows thru me. I cannot stand to see false truth. I put a post up today which may have gotten alot more notice if I had inserted a certain LP candidate's name, but did not want to start contention, but I just want people to be aware when they hear lies, or maybe misconceptions.

It concerns me greatly that this Voice of Liberty which so many of us share is a target which most likely will not go un targeted, and may already be.

I never realized your world and mine were entwined, sister…at least that is what I imagine you to be. Thank you for the time you have taken to give me such a complete reply.

fonta, just a quick thought, if you think it proper to say, who are some of the ID's who are valuable teachers? I often have questions.

Ideas Are Good!

...and if Ron Paul can take responsibility for things with his signature, I will have to live with my archive and all the places the mind circuit I am forced to use takes me. It continues to take me in a lot of unusual places. Resolved: Leave it in stone!

Actually it "was" a Roger Stone article that you reposted or linked to. At the time I was deep into the huge premature Gary presence along with the music festival and all those promoting the presence as well as Lawyers 4. Names were named, some very connected to this site and some of those sleuthing were banned. Some things were posted that never should have been posted. Some things were discovered that I wish I had not been a part of. I think we encouraged each other and it was sorta fun,, but I am not sure now if it served any purpose.

As far as the newsletters, there were some insinuations that Murray Rothbard might have done "some editing." May not be true, but if it was I "forgave" him too as there was a lot of racial confusion back in the days . Plus, while he sounds like quite a character, he was brilliant and his legacy is huge and thank goodness Lew works so hard to preserve it. (There is a lot of great info on the Rothbard/Koch break that helps to better understand the division in the DP archive through the search engine. I still am not clear on who exactly the LP is right now...but I know it is hardly the strong cornerstone of small l libertarianism.

I will look up some of the old names as I remember what they said better than who they were. One thing I noticed is that most seldom names names or parties. They were (and are) more into the message, the principles behind the message, explaining history before it was revised, philosophy and sometimes language and symbolic logic. Also there were some great theological discussions and actually still are. I seldom participate because my spirituality is so integral to who I am and while I listen to everything, there are some I don't want to defend. I once was at an age where I actually thought if I found the right book or teacher I was capable of understanding "everything." Now I am at a place where I know that the more answers I get, the more questions I have and if I reach any conclusion that I think are set in cement, they are only scaffolding until I have more information!

I truly wonder if there are many in influential positions or pot3ntially influential positions that have not (by hook or crook) been touched by the influence of such as the Rockefeller, Koch Bros, Soros, etc. They are definitely tricky and come from some entitled line of reasoning that we can't understand.

Yes, we are enterwined aa far as where inquisitive similar minds go and we are definitely spiritual sisters as well. have a great day!


Oh, yah, the way I knew about

Oh, yah, the way I knew about Roger Stone is someone posted a Post that said something like "I want to know more about this" or something like that and there was a Bill Still video talking about Roger Stone and Gary Johnson. I was already wondering what was going on and that seemed to close some loops for me and open some doors.

I spend alot of time talking to Josf though so I don't do alot of searching. He has helped me tremendously as he makes me think thru concepts. He has spent countless hours trying to help me understand. He is not a Brother, but he is a dear Friend in Liberty. I cannot always understand him. It is hard to talk online and understand all the concepts, but I can say that I don't know if there would have been anyone else who would have spent the time he has in helping me see thru some of the lies or at least look at some things differently.

I wasn't around in 2008 when those letters came out. There is no telling what happened and why. I would imagine that we cannot even begin to know the evil that Dr. Paul has had to wade thru these years. It amazes me that he is still alive. And then again, sometimes I worry that Liberty is being allowed to be set ablaze for nefarious purposes. But who can know. And you are right, we can't know everything and it is good to be at a spot where knowing some things is enough.

I remember when all the GJ stuff was coming up before even Tampa. I remember saying that he should get on Dr Paul's bandwagon instead of dividing Liberty. Those were my thoughts. Things didn't seem just right. Something didn't seem right to me after Dr. Paul had breakfast with Bernanke. My speculation though. It is hard to trust anyone when there is so much disinformation and perhaps so many who would blatently try to thwart the Liberty of the People.

Keep up the good fight. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood. It is good to talk to you my Sister :)